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DISMASTED - told you so . . .
wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:48:19 -0400, "mmc" wrote: I just checked out what boat her brother had sailed on his circumnavigation and it was an Islander 36 with a 13,600 lb displacement and Abby's "Wildeyes" displace 7,407 lbs. Even though it's 4 feet longer than Zac's, it is literally half the boat. I used to work with a guy that said he "planned for success". It took me a while to figure out that his planning was based on nothing ever going wrong. Poor, poor strategy. The hull did not fail. People have circumnavigated sucessfully in properly prepared and equipped Catalina 27's and Cal 33's, both of which were obviously intended as coastal cruisers. Not me brother. I've had my ass kicked thoroughly by mother ocean and it wasn't fun. The point is, just about any boat can be set up to complete a circumnavigation, and relatively safely. You can get your ass kicked out there no matter how big or heavy your boat is. Have you taken a good look at a mini-transat? Sunderland's boat was NOT the issue that caused her to fail. If she did everything exactly the same but in a Valiant 40, the results probably wouldn't have been much different. Lots of very bad decisions were made. Sure, going to add glass to the hull and build in some stringers and ribs? Replace the rigging with over sized wire and fittings? Beef up the rudder and maybe the steering system? Add some ballast to make the boat stiffer? Hell, while we're at it why don't we stretch it a little to give it more waterline? You "can" make a parachute out of bedsheets too but anyone with an IQ over 40 probably wouldn't want to. Why not just get a boat that's already fit for this duty? The boat was not the weakest link in this adventure, and was not what failed. She deserves a lot of credit. She had the nads to get out there and give it her best. Not many 16 yos have sailed that far by themselves (I'm half a friggin century and haven't!) and it's not like she just quit. Guess we'll find out what happened when she gets home. That's like saying someone deserves a lot of credit for having nads because they walked across an 8 lane highway at night while blindfolded. I was being nice. Just like I'm being nice now. My true and honest opinion is that anyone that would take a coastal cruiser on an open ocean voyage must be counting on sunshine flowing out his/her ass throughout the entire trip. The idea that if a person gets in trouble, no probs, I've got a lifeboat and epirb and someone will come bail my stupid ass out of this crack doesn't always pan out. The kids parents put her in this predicament with poor planning and unsuitable equipment. From the beginning this sounded more like reality tv than a real no-**** serious trip. The parents should be coughing up the cost of the rescue. I'm a big believer in being responsible for your actions. |
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DISMASTED - told you so . . .
"Wilbur Hubbard" skrev i melding
anews.com... wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:28:40 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:48:19 -0400, "mmc" wrote: I just checked out what boat her brother had sailed on his circumnavigation and it was an Islander 36 with a 13,600 lb displacement and Abby's "Wildeyes" displace 7,407 lbs. Even though it's 4 feet longer than Zac's, it is literally half the boat. I used to work with a guy that said he "planned for success". It took me a while to figure out that his planning was based on nothing ever going wrong. Poor, poor strategy. The hull did not fail. People have circumnavigated sucessfully in properly prepared and equipped Catalina 27's and Cal 33's, both of which were obviously intended as coastal cruisers. Not me brother. I've had my ass kicked thoroughly by mother ocean and it wasn't fun. The point is, just about any boat can be set up to complete a circumnavigation, and relatively safely. You can get your ass kicked out there no matter how big or heavy your boat is. Have you taken a good look at a mini-transat? Sunderland's boat was NOT the issue that caused her to fail. If she did everything exactly the same but in a Valiant 40, the results probably wouldn't have been much different. Lots of very bad decisions were made. The boat was not the weakest link in this adventure, and was not what failed. She deserves a lot of credit. She had the nads to get out there and give it her best. Not many 16 yos have sailed that far by themselves (I'm half a friggin century and haven't!) and it's not like she just quit. Guess we'll find out what happened when she gets home. That's like saying someone deserves a lot of credit for having nads because they walked across an 8 lane highway at night while blindfolded. Right you are. These liberal minded folks who think other people deserve a lot of credit for trying and FAILING have no idea of what it means to succeed at a task. The equate FAILURE with success and actually give kudos for failure (trying and failing). What's next? are they going to be giving kudos for people who don't even try and then fail? Probably. The way I see it, the poor girl never had a chance. Her so-called team did her a great disservice. The first indication was when she had to put into La Paz in order to ship greater electrical generating systems. Duh! Didn't anybody on her so-called team have half a brain and could sit down and figure amps required vs. amps available? Then there was the autopilot debacle. Double Duh! What morons allow a circumnavigation to be compromised because they rely TOTALLY on two electric autopilots? What were they thinking? Then they routed the poor girl into the roaring forties in the wintertime. One has to wonder if maybe mom and dad had a multi-million dollar life insurance policy on the girl and needed some income desperately. Excuse me, but wasn't this a circumnavigation? Why the need for speed in dangerous latitudes? Somebody is very confused. If this is what sailing has been reduced to in this day and age and people think the sailor deserves kudos then there is little or no hope for seamanship anymore. Wilbur Hubbard Most people who circumnavigate in a sailboat are interested in seeing the world. Abby's over-riding desire was to set a record. And not a record for doing something especially well. She wanted the record for simply doing something at a younger age. When someone is considered "good for their age", it's not always really intended as a compliment. This escapade is in the same category as "balloon boy". If she was truly interested in the circumnavigation itself, she would have waited until conditions and timing were far better. She couldn't wait, because then she wouldn't be the youngest. She was only interested in the money she would make and the attention. Agreed! And, look deeper. Who inculcated that warped, ego-centric attitude into her at such a tender age? Her parents, of course. Her parents are publicity whores living vicariously through their kids. I see them as "Little Miss America" parents. What little girl would even consider being Little Miss America on her own? What little girl would have as her heart's desire trying to set the record for youngest around on her own? Sadly, she is no sailor. She's a cheap, little, publicity puppy bred by her whore parents. Even had to have a pretend, open-forty, race boat of her own to complete the fairy tale. Wilbur Hubbard And you are a sick little pervert. I assume that your expertise in failures is based on your own life. |
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DISMASTED - told you so . . .
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Right you are. These liberal minded folks who think other people deserve a lot of credit for trying and FAILING have no idea of what it means to succeed at a task. The equate FAILURE with success and actually give kudos for failure (trying and failing). What's next? are they going to be giving kudos for people who don't even try and then fail? Probably. The way I see it, the poor girl never had a chance. Her so-called team did her a great disservice. The first indication was when she had to put into La Paz in order to ship greater electrical generating systems. Duh! Didn't anybody on her so-called team have half a brain and could sit down and figure amps required vs. amps available? Then there was the autopilot debacle. Double Duh! What morons allow a circumnavigation to be compromised because they rely TOTALLY on two electric autopilots? What were they thinking? Then they routed the poor girl into the roaring forties in the wintertime. One has to wonder if maybe mom and dad had a multi-million dollar life insurance policy on the girl and needed some income desperately. Excuse me, but wasn't this a circumnavigation? Why the need for speed in dangerous latitudes? Somebody is very confused. If this is what sailing has been reduced to in this day and age and people think the sailor deserves kudos then there is little or no hope for seamanship anymore. Failure? Depends upon how you define success. She failed at one of her goals, but certainly succeeded at a few others. For example, she survived. That right there is surely a huge success. The main success, really. She also has generated massive publicity for herself that she can and probably will use if she wants to, as a springboard to other great things for herself. Anyone attempting great things should be doing it for the journey, not the destination, and she had one hell of a journey, including some pretty amazing saves she accomplished in very hairy conditions, like when the sail got snagged on the spreaders and she had to go up the mast in heavy weather to free it. Huge success right there. There were many others. No, anyone who views success and failure as you recommend, who sits home instead of going for their dreams as you told Skip to do, because they could be better at this or better at that, because they might fail in their ultimate goal, because they even might die; well those people are the ones who will be miserable failures, bitter and jealous of almost anyone accomplishes anything. They miss their chance at a good life due to their irrational fear of failure and hate almost everyone who is doing what they should be doing. Stephen |
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DISMASTED - told you so . . .
"Gogarty" wrote in message ... How's your refrigerator? How long have you been retarded? LP |
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DISMASTED - told you so . . .
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote Well, it turns out good old Wilbur was right again. When are you people going to learn that you'd just better not doubt me? Huh? I can't hear you. The gene pool can always use some chlorine from time to time... LP |
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DISMASTED - told you so . . .
The idea that if a person gets in trouble, no probs, I've got a lifeboat and epirb and someone will come bail my stupid ass out of this crack doesn't always pan out. Agreed. The kids parents put her in this predicament with poor planning and unsuitable equipment. That's what I've been telling you all along! Glad we agree on something! I like old, heavy and relatively slow boats. My favorite was a 1963 Chris Craft Caribbean, 35' and 16k lbs. Rock solid and bulletproof. |
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DISMASTED - told you so . . .
Jan wrote:
/snip/ Even had to have a pretend, open-forty, race boat of her own to complete the fairy tale. Wilbur Hubbard And you are a sick little pervert. I assume that your expertise in failures is based on your own life. This must be the most pertinent comment on the voyage that one woman will remember all her days - the memory of which will help her develop more iron in her backbone, than Wilbur has in his 'mended' boom. Brian W |
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DISMASTED - told you so . . .
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:23:10 -0400, Gogarty
wrote this crap: One can't be happy and carefree and filthy rich at the same time. I'll give it a try. It certainly works for me. Vote for Palin-Brown in 2012. Repeal the nightmares. I'm Horvath and I approve of this post. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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DISMASTED - told you so . . .
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DISMASTED - told you so . . .
wrote in message ... On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:13:23 -0400, "mmc" wrote: The idea that if a person gets in trouble, no probs, I've got a lifeboat and epirb and someone will come bail my stupid ass out of this crack doesn't always pan out. Agreed. The kids parents put her in this predicament with poor planning and unsuitable equipment. That's what I've been telling you all along! Glad we agree on something! I like old, heavy and relatively slow boats. My favorite was a 1963 Chris Craft Caribbean, 35' and 16k lbs. Rock solid and bulletproof. Well, that certainly qualifies as old, heavy, and slow! I'm not so sure I'd pick that combination for a circumnavigation. That boat was purpose built to be used in charter in the Carribean, where people tend to sail a little from point to point and then anchor in mostly benign conditions. I'd pick a CSY 44 out of that type of boats. Built to last! I'd never heard or read that about the CC, seems the duty you describe would better fit one of your lightweights. The CC was a great sailing boat. Lacked storage and had I kept her I would have added a hard top and soft side enclosure which would have helped with the accomodation. A PO had swapped out the Grey Marine gasoline engine for a 4-108 and later had to replace the fuel tanks as the originals were galvanized. After burning the ^%^$ out of my elbow on the old hot stack exhaust, I replaced it with a water lift. Man, what a great difference that made! The engine comparment was a LOT cooler which helped with the cockpit and the DB level probably dropped by 75%. |
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