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The perfect boat
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide
wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. |
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On Dec 7, 1:54*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. * It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. You're talking about Neal right? We also have a boat dump here. People to cheap to pay for a slip anchor in the federal waterways, that way the city or state has no say. Most blow ashore and the city then has to dispose of them. The problem has compounded since hurricane Ike and hundreds of very cheap boats have hit the market. I'd say the ideal boat is one that can make a living for her crew and many others. The rest are mostly under used expensive toys. But thats just my opinion. Joe |
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On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:06:02 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote: On Dec 7, 1:54*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. * It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. You're talking about Neal right? Actually No! As far as Neil and his personas go I have most of them kill-filed and out of sight is out of mind. We also have a boat dump here. People to cheap to pay for a slip anchor in the federal waterways, that way the city or state has no say. Most blow ashore and the city then has to dispose of them. The problem has compounded since hurricane Ike and hundreds of very cheap boats have hit the market. Why do you say "too cheap to pay for a slip"? Does renting a slip somehow confer added dignity on one? I'd say the ideal boat is one that can make a living for her crew and many others. The rest are mostly under used expensive toys. But thats just my opinion. Joe And then there are those of us who have sufficient funds to live as we wish and to whom "making a living" is simply history. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:54:40 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. I wasn't especially talking about live-a-board. Rather a place to keep a boat that didn't cost an arm and a leg. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:04:05 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:54:40 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. I wasn't especially talking about live-a-board. Rather a place to keep a boat that didn't cost an arm and a leg. Depends where you are. I checked a marina in Punta Gorda, FL a couple years ago and it was $3-400 a month dockage for a 26'. Water and electric included. Probably cheaper now. At the same time/area a 24' trailerable boat kept in a barn storage ran a couple hundred a month. Ramp launching was included. Twice a day before additional charge as I recall. --Vic |
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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:54:40 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. I wasn't especially talking about live-a-board. Rather a place to keep a boat that didn't cost an arm and a leg. The restrictions exist partly due to the 'bum' live aboard' issue but apply to overnight anchoring as well. Frex, last time I was there, and I suppose this won't change, Vero Beach's excellent anchorage is forbidden even for a night unless you pay a fee to the city. As I said in my post, those who live on the coast objected to me anchoring off their backyards even for a night. Vero's restriction was challenged in court on some grounds out of my knowing. Vero Beach won it. That sort of restriction is rampant today. I noted it exists only where houses are. The commercial fleet isn't nearly as large as it was a few years ago. Frex, the shrimpers have been reduced dramatically by Chinese shrimp farmers. Other sorts of fishermen are reduced due to species removal or reductions. AFAIK, the northern fishermen (like Maine) are doing ok except for cod. The lobster fleet and those *#&#& pots seem darn numerous to me. Then again, it's not like I ever saw it in 1980 so I can't compare. I chatted up a few shrimpers who clearly think they are the last of the shrimp hunters. A business which has gone on for generations (they say) is now dead or dying. |
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"slide" wrote in message ... Bruce In Bangkok wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:54:40 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. I wasn't especially talking about live-a-board. Rather a place to keep a boat that didn't cost an arm and a leg. The restrictions exist partly due to the 'bum' live aboard' issue but apply to overnight anchoring as well. Frex, last time I was there, and I suppose this won't change, Vero Beach's excellent anchorage is forbidden even for a night unless you pay a fee to the city. As I said in my post, those who live on the coast objected to me anchoring off their backyards even for a night. Vero's restriction was challenged in court on some grounds out of my knowing. Vero Beach won it. That sort of restriction is rampant today. I noted it exists only where houses are. The commercial fleet isn't nearly as large as it was a few years ago. Frex, the shrimpers have been reduced dramatically by Chinese shrimp farmers. Other sorts of fishermen are reduced due to species removal or reductions. AFAIK, the northern fishermen (like Maine) are doing ok except for cod. The lobster fleet and those *#&#& pots seem darn numerous to me. Then again, it's not like I ever saw it in 1980 so I can't compare. I chatted up a few shrimpers who clearly think they are the last of the shrimp hunters. A business which has gone on for generations (they say) is now dead or dying. Yeah, the feds are cutting red snapper fishing as of 4 Jan. Lot's of people complaining that this is based on "bad science". They take no personal responsibilty for stock depletions. Just take and take and screw tomorrow. Not too long ago the state outlawed gill nets. Gill net fishermen slaughtered tons of mullet and "by-catch" (everything else that gets caught- almost nothing lives) in the harvest of mullet roe for the Japanese market. Mullet had been almopst wiped out on Floridas west coast around and north of Tampa. We saw an almost immediate increase in food fish and in mullet which are an important food for all carniverous species. I felt for the netters when this happened but was happy to see that our Gov't was doing something before the Japanese lust for anything fishy screwed Floridans permanently. |
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mmc wrote:
Yeah, the feds are cutting red snapper fishing as of 4 Jan. Lot's of people complaining that this is based on "bad science". They take no personal responsibilty for stock depletions. Just take and take and screw tomorrow. Not too long ago the state outlawed gill nets. Gill net fishermen slaughtered tons of mullet and "by-catch" (everything else that gets caught- almost nothing lives) in the harvest of mullet roe for the Japanese market. Mullet had been almopst wiped out on Floridas west coast around and north of Tampa. We saw an almost immediate increase in food fish and in mullet which are an important food for all carniverous species. I felt for the netters when this happened but was happy to see that our Gov't was doing something before the Japanese lust for anything fishy screwed Floridans permanently. I had nor do I have any real sympathy with the shrimpers. I would watch as they empty their nets throwing away hundreds of (now dead) animals which were collateral damage causalities. I asked them why not get into shrimp farming like the Chinese instead of letting the crop move to overseas? Their answer always was something like my father and grandfather and his father all did it this way.... I never argued with them, but am not sad to see them go either. |
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On Dec 9, 7:35*am, slide wrote:
mmc wrote: Yeah, the feds are cutting red snapper fishing as of 4 Jan. Lot's of people complaining that this is based on "bad science". They take no personal responsibilty for stock depletions. Just take and take and screw tomorrow. Not too long ago the state outlawed gill nets. Gill net fishermen slaughtered tons of mullet and "by-catch" (everything else that gets caught- almost nothing lives) in the harvest of mullet roe for the Japanese market. Mullet had been almopst wiped out on Floridas west coast around and north of Tampa. We saw an almost immediate increase in food fish and in mullet which are an important food for all carniverous species. I felt for the netters when this happened but was happy to see that our Gov't was doing something before the Japanese lust for anything fishy screwed Floridans permanently. I had nor do I have any real sympathy with the shrimpers. I would watch as they empty their nets throwing away hundreds of (now dead) animals which were collateral damage causalities. Slide says as he's munching down a huge platter of fried shrimp and oysters. I asked them why not get into shrimp farming like the Chinese instead of letting the crop move to overseas? Their answer always was something like my father and grandfather and his father all did it this way.... He might also have a 185K in a boat, and not be able to buy a shrimp farm due to loss of income to the Chinese slave labor shrimp farms. And what if the shrimpers go broke? Who's going to pay the 100's of millions of dollars the shrimper pay to Parks and wildlife for permits? How many thousands have you paid to replenish and restock the bays Slide? Face it the shrimpers, and fishermen and pleasure sportsmen support the protection of the stock more than any other group at all. I never argued with them, but am not sad to see them go either. Well lets hope that shrimp platter cost you a 100 bucks soon, then maybe you might give a hoot. No since in American mariners having jobs if the Chinese can do it cheaper right? I bet you drive a Toyota too huh? Joe - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Face it the shrimpers, and fishermen and pleasure sportsmen support the protection of the stock more than any other group at all. ------------ Joe, Protection of fish stocks is more in the above group's interest than anyone else's but the above are the people that make government conservation measurements necessary. They may support the protection but many do so with a bunch of hot air only. Here on Floridas Space Coast we've seen scallops, white shrimp, clams just about wiped out. As I said previously, netters were working hard to decimate mullet before the goverment stepped in. Lot's of hot air. |
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