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The perfect boat
Maybe the perfect boat is one that is paid for. I am constantly
looking for a solution to the problems of high slip fees, trailerability, my need for shoal draft, etc. This has prompted my interest in the Presto 30 and sharpies in general. However, my old S2 was long ago paid for and with 3'10" draft can go many places most sail boats cannot go. She is also seaworthy (newish standing rigging and sails etc) and familiar. I even replaced her engine a few years ago to make her better for long trip under mostly power. The cost of a new boat would pay for many years of slip fees. Now that my daughter and her bf (probably will be her husband) have graduated and want to do some cruising, I have them to help move the old S2 about on the coast from place to place. I'll probably stay with my good old boat for awhile. |
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:15:05 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: Maybe the perfect boat is one that is paid for. I am constantly looking for a solution to the problems of high slip fees, trailerability, my need for shoal draft, etc. This has prompted my interest in the Presto 30 and sharpies in general. However, my old S2 was long ago paid for and with 3'10" draft can go many places most sail boats cannot go. She is also seaworthy (newish standing rigging and sails etc) and familiar. I even replaced her engine a few years ago to make her better for long trip under mostly power. The cost of a new boat would pay for many years of slip fees. Now that my daughter and her bf (probably will be her husband) have graduated and want to do some cruising, I have them to help move the old S2 about on the coast from place to place. I'll probably stay with my good old boat for awhile. Out of curiosity, aren't there any places left where you can moor a boat. Maybe put down your own mooring and essentially anchor free? Where do fishermen keep their boats these days? Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
Out of curiosity, aren't there any places left where you can moor a boat. Maybe put down your own mooring and essentially anchor free? Where do fishermen keep their boats these days? There's quite a move to control mooring and even anchoring in many US harbors. Part of it are cities wishing to collect fees for moorages and part of it is due to those who buy expensive shoreside properties not wishing to have their views ruined by permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. While there are some legal hassles over issues I'm not familiar about, the cities do seem to be winning. I even had some fights with homeowners when anchored overnight along the Inland Waterway. They'd 'protest' me blocking their view (for a night only) by shining bright spotlights on my boat making the inside quite bright and thus difficult to sleep. I do have some sympathy with the homeowners. Many of the liveaboards quite obviously pollute the area with their black and gray water plus looking at an array of boat wrecks covered with scrouged junk and laundry isn't a sight I'd like to see from my windows or yard. I'd also resent the pollution if I or my family used the backyard beach as a swimming area. |
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide
wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. |
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On Dec 7, 1:54*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. * It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. You're talking about Neal right? We also have a boat dump here. People to cheap to pay for a slip anchor in the federal waterways, that way the city or state has no say. Most blow ashore and the city then has to dispose of them. The problem has compounded since hurricane Ike and hundreds of very cheap boats have hit the market. I'd say the ideal boat is one that can make a living for her crew and many others. The rest are mostly under used expensive toys. But thats just my opinion. Joe |
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide
wrote: Bruce In Bangkok wrote: Out of curiosity, aren't there any places left where you can moor a boat. Maybe put down your own mooring and essentially anchor free? Where do fishermen keep their boats these days? There's quite a move to control mooring and even anchoring in many US harbors. Part of it are cities wishing to collect fees for moorages and part of it is due to those who buy expensive shoreside properties not wishing to have their views ruined by permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. While there are some legal hassles over issues I'm not familiar about, the cities do seem to be winning. I even had some fights with homeowners when anchored overnight along the Inland Waterway. They'd 'protest' me blocking their view (for a night only) by shining bright spotlights on my boat making the inside quite bright and thus difficult to sleep. I do have some sympathy with the homeowners. Many of the liveaboards quite obviously pollute the area with their black and gray water plus looking at an array of boat wrecks covered with scrouged junk and laundry isn't a sight I'd like to see from my windows or yard. I'd also resent the pollution if I or my family used the backyard beach as a swimming area. I wasn't particularly talking about live-a-boards. Just keeping a boat. What do fishermen do with their boats? They can't be mooring them in marinas, can they? The last time I was around the water in the U.S. was quite some time ago but then there were lobster boats moored in nearly every bay up and down the coast of Maine and I kept my boat on a mooring in a small bay where a number of lobster boats were and paid a fisherman a bit each month to keep an eye on it. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:54:40 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. I wasn't especially talking about live-a-board. Rather a place to keep a boat that didn't cost an arm and a leg. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:06:02 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote: On Dec 7, 1:54*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. * It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. You're talking about Neal right? Actually No! As far as Neil and his personas go I have most of them kill-filed and out of sight is out of mind. We also have a boat dump here. People to cheap to pay for a slip anchor in the federal waterways, that way the city or state has no say. Most blow ashore and the city then has to dispose of them. The problem has compounded since hurricane Ike and hundreds of very cheap boats have hit the market. Why do you say "too cheap to pay for a slip"? Does renting a slip somehow confer added dignity on one? I'd say the ideal boat is one that can make a living for her crew and many others. The rest are mostly under used expensive toys. But thats just my opinion. Joe And then there are those of us who have sufficient funds to live as we wish and to whom "making a living" is simply history. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:04:05 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:54:40 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. I wasn't especially talking about live-a-board. Rather a place to keep a boat that didn't cost an arm and a leg. Depends where you are. I checked a marina in Punta Gorda, FL a couple years ago and it was $3-400 a month dockage for a 26'. Water and electric included. Probably cheaper now. At the same time/area a 24' trailerable boat kept in a barn storage ran a couple hundred a month. Ramp launching was included. Twice a day before additional charge as I recall. --Vic |
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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:54:40 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:34:07 -0700, slide wrote: permanent liveabords who get some wreck of a boat and moor or anchor it as a solution to cheap rent. That is the crux of the problem right there. It gets worse. Eventually the boat becomes abandoned for one reason or another, and then it sinks, creating a navigational hazard and eyesore. I wasn't especially talking about live-a-board. Rather a place to keep a boat that didn't cost an arm and a leg. The restrictions exist partly due to the 'bum' live aboard' issue but apply to overnight anchoring as well. Frex, last time I was there, and I suppose this won't change, Vero Beach's excellent anchorage is forbidden even for a night unless you pay a fee to the city. As I said in my post, those who live on the coast objected to me anchoring off their backyards even for a night. Vero's restriction was challenged in court on some grounds out of my knowing. Vero Beach won it. That sort of restriction is rampant today. I noted it exists only where houses are. The commercial fleet isn't nearly as large as it was a few years ago. Frex, the shrimpers have been reduced dramatically by Chinese shrimp farmers. Other sorts of fishermen are reduced due to species removal or reductions. AFAIK, the northern fishermen (like Maine) are doing ok except for cod. The lobster fleet and those *#&#& pots seem darn numerous to me. Then again, it's not like I ever saw it in 1980 so I can't compare. I chatted up a few shrimpers who clearly think they are the last of the shrimp hunters. A business which has gone on for generations (they say) is now dead or dying. |
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