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Atkins & Hoyle Ltd.
Hello Everybody,
My name is Benjamin Atkins and I represent Atkins & Hoyle Ltd. We have been manufacturing the highest quality cast Almag-35 hatches, ports and davits for over 40 years. Parts for all of our past products are available and we also offer a hatch and port repair service. Our reputation in the marine industry has been earned through tested experience with building lifting devices, hoists, cranes, motor lifts and davits of types and sizes for any boat. We have an expanded product line including hardtops and arches. Please check out our updated website and we appreciate your continued interest in products; www.atkinshoyle.com Thank you for reading, Benjamin Atkins Vice President, Atkins & Hoyle Ltd. www.atkinshoyle.com |
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Atkins & Hoyle Ltd.
Ben Atkins wrote:
Hello Everybody, My name is Benjamin Atkins and I represent Atkins & Hoyle Ltd. ... snip inappropriate commercial content Some years ago I had an extremely negative experience with them, to the point of specifying on my new boat that I would not accept it if it had any Atkins & Hoyle gear. It does not surprise me that they now show a total disregard of the non-commercial status of this group. |
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Atkins & Hoyle Ltd.
jeff wrote in :
Ben Atkins wrote: Hello Everybody, My name is Benjamin Atkins and I represent Atkins & Hoyle Ltd. ... snip inappropriate commercial content Some years ago I had an extremely negative experience with them, to the point of specifying on my new boat that I would not accept it if it had any Atkins & Hoyle gear. It does not surprise me that they now show a total disregard of the non-commercial status of this group. While I won't disagree about the matter of commercial posts to this group, I've had 2 sets of A&H davits on my boat and find them extremely robust. My first set was undersized and I replaced them with heavier duty ones. I haven't seen any others that I'd recommend and would install them again in a heartbeat. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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Atkins & Hoyle Ltd.
Geoff Schultz wrote:
jeff wrote in : Ben Atkins wrote: Hello Everybody, My name is Benjamin Atkins and I represent Atkins & Hoyle Ltd. ... snip inappropriate commercial content Some years ago I had an extremely negative experience with them, to the point of specifying on my new boat that I would not accept it if it had any Atkins & Hoyle gear. It does not surprise me that they now show a total disregard of the non-commercial status of this group. While I won't disagree about the matter of commercial posts to this group, I've had 2 sets of A&H davits on my boat and find them extremely robust. My first set was undersized and I replaced them with heavier duty ones. I haven't seen any others that I'd recommend and would install them again in a heartbeat. We've had this discussion befo I purchased a set of davits, and one failed within a few weeks, before I had left the slip. Although only one tube was bent, they insisted that it had to be replaced, and since it was impossible that it was their fault, I had to pay $280, almost half the cost of the set of davits. Having few options, I paid, but when I explained my displeasure at a subsequent boat show, the salesman laughed at me, like I had been a fool for doing business with them. I had to agree. BTW, the replacement davit lasted for the several years I had the boat, in much rougher conditions than it would have had in the slip, so I'm convinced that there was a flaw in the original part, and I was essentially ripped off for the replacement part. Even if it had somehow been my fault, that fact that they made more money on the replacement than the original sale puts them at the top of my "Never Deal With This Company Again" list. |
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Atkins & Hoyle Ltd.
On Apr 5, 9:46*am, Geoff Schultz wrote:
jeff wrote : Ben Atkins wrote: Hello Everybody, My name is Benjamin Atkins and I represent Atkins & Hoyle Ltd. ... snip inappropriate commercial content Some years ago I had an extremely negative experience with them, to the point of specifying on my new boat that I would not accept it if it had any Atkins & Hoyle gear. It does not surprise me that they now show a total disregard of the non-commercial status of this group. While I won't disagree about the matter of commercial posts to this group, I've had 2 sets of A&H davits on my boat and find them extremely robust. * My first set was undersized and I replaced them with heavier duty ones. *I haven't seen any others that I'd recommend and would *install them again in a heartbeat. -- Geoffwww.GeoffSchultz.org Fair enough. I was unaware of the rules regarding vendors in this group. In some other forums, they have a place on the board for professionals offering advice and opinions. I tried to make it clear that anything that I post might be influenced by my position at Atkins & Hoyle Ltd. In any case, I will walk this line more carefully in the future. Geoff, I took a look at your site and have to say that I hope that one day I can have Trip Report Index like yours. Very nice setup of the 2000 davits, a perfect example of how to build a proper bridle as well. May I use some of those pictures for my site? --Benjamin Atkins www.atkinshoyle.com |
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Atkins & Hoyle Ltd.
Ben Atkins wrote in
: On Apr 5, 9:46*am, Geoff Schultz wrote: jeff wrote : Ben Atkins wrote: Hello Everybody, My name is Benjamin Atkins and I represent Atkins & Hoyle Ltd. ... snip inappropriate commercial content Some years ago I had an extremely negative experience with them, to the point of specifying on my new boat that I would not accept it if it had any Atkins & Hoyle gear. It does not surprise me that they now show a total disregard of the non-commercial status of this group. While I won't disagree about the matter of commercial posts to this group , I've had 2 sets of A&H davits on my boat and find them extremely robust. * My first set was undersized and I replaced them with heavier duty ones. *I haven't seen any others that I'd recommend and would *install them agai n in a heartbeat. -- Geoffwww.GeoffSchultz.org Fair enough. I was unaware of the rules regarding vendors in this group. In some other forums, they have a place on the board for professionals offering advice and opinions. I tried to make it clear that anything that I post might be influenced by my position at Atkins & Hoyle Ltd. In any case, I will walk this line more carefully in the future. Geoff, I took a look at your site and have to say that I hope that one day I can have Trip Report Index like yours. Very nice setup of the 2000 davits, a perfect example of how to build a proper bridle as well. May I use some of those pictures for my site? --Benjamin Atkins www.atkinshoyle.com You're more than welcome to use them, but let me take some of the more recent changes that have been made. The photos on the site are over 2 years old and I've improved upon it. Regarding the commercial postings: It always amazes me how there are members of this group and others who think there are some official rules which dictate what can be posted here. I've certainly never see any such thing, and I used to run an ISP. There may be suggestions, but no rules. This is the Internet... If there were rules, you wouldn't see copyrighted manuals and software posted to news groups. I agree that I don't want to see these news groups filled up with commercial posting. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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Atkins & Hoyle Ltd.
Geoff Schultz wrote:
.... Regarding the commercial postings: It always amazes me how there are members of this group and others who think there are some official rules which dictate what can be posted here. I've certainly never see any such thing, and I used to run an ISP. There may be suggestions, but no rules. Of course there are rules. They where set forth when the group was created: rec.boats.cruising Cruising in boats. CHARTER The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.boats.cruising will be open to discussions on all topics related to cruising in boats such as: - cruising equipment - cruising reports - destinations: Including where to moor/anchor, restaurants to visit, sights to see and where/how to provision - discussion of long-distance passagemaking and related issues - discussion on navigation - requests for crews and for boats to crew on - upcoming events, cruises, etc - etc. The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.boats.cruising will not be open to for-sale postings. Appropriate advertisements should be directed to rec.boats.marketplace. It is hoped that a FAQ will be developed. This is the Internet... If there were rules, you wouldn't see copyrighted manuals and software posted to news groups. I agree that I don't want to see these news groups filled up with commercial posting. There are some that feel that if a rule isn't enforced, it doesn't really exist. I'm sure the Berny Madoff felt that way. |
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Jeff wrote in :
Geoff Schultz wrote: ... Regarding the commercial postings: It always amazes me how there are members of this group and others who think there are some official rules which dictate what can be posted here. I've certainly never see any such thing, and I used to run an ISP. There may be suggestions, but no rules. Of course there are rules. They where set forth when the group was created: rec.boats.cruising Cruising in boats. CHARTER The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.boats.cruising will be open to discussions on all topics related to cruising in boats such as: - cruising equipment - cruising reports - destinations: Including where to moor/anchor, restaurants to visit, sights to see and where/how to provision - discussion of long-distance passagemaking and related issues - discussion on navigation - requests for crews and for boats to crew on - upcoming events, cruises, etc - etc. The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.boats.cruising will not be open to for-sale postings. Appropriate advertisements should be directed to rec.boats.marketplace. It is hoped that a FAQ will be developed. This is the Internet... If there were rules, you wouldn't see copyrighted manuals and software posted to news groups. I agree that I don't want to see these news groups filled up with commercial posting. There are some that feel that if a rule isn't enforced, it doesn't really exist. I'm sure the Berny Madoff felt that way. When was the last time that anyone posted these "rules" to this news group? And when was this posted and to where? It's my guess that this was before anyone could create any group that they want and there was going to be some form of control over groups. Clearly that went out of the window many, many years ago. These are nice suggestions, not rules. And there are also rules against posting using fake addresses/psuedonyms, etc. Clearly no one follows them in here. You can't select to follow some rules and not others. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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Atkins & Hoyle Ltd.
Geoff Schultz wrote:
Jeff wrote in : Geoff Schultz wrote: ... Regarding the commercial postings: It always amazes me how there are members of this group and others who think there are some official rules which dictate what can be posted here. I've certainly never see any such thing, and I used to run an ISP. There may be suggestions, but no rules. Of course there are rules. They where set forth when the group was created: rec.boats.cruising Cruising in boats. CHARTER The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.boats.cruising will be open to discussions on all topics related to cruising in boats such as: - cruising equipment - cruising reports - destinations: Including where to moor/anchor, restaurants to visit, sights to see and where/how to provision - discussion of long-distance passagemaking and related issues - discussion on navigation - requests for crews and for boats to crew on - upcoming events, cruises, etc - etc. The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.boats.cruising will not be open to for-sale postings. Appropriate advertisements should be directed to rec.boats.marketplace. It is hoped that a FAQ will be developed. This is the Internet... If there were rules, you wouldn't see copyrighted manuals and software posted to news groups. I agree that I don't want to see these news groups filled up with commercial posting. There are some that feel that if a rule isn't enforced, it doesn't really exist. I'm sure the Berny Madoff felt that way. When was the last time that anyone posted these "rules" to this news group? And when was this posted and to where? Its been a few years. But the issue of commercial posts is discussed several time a year, with very few people indeed saying they think it would be good if everyone who has a product or boat to sell posted here. It's my guess that this was before anyone could create any group that they want and there was going to be some form of control over groups. Clearly that went out of the window many, many years ago. These are nice suggestions, not rules. No, they are the rules. Your only point is that they are unenforcible. And there are also rules against posting using fake addresses/psuedonyms, etc. Clearly no one follows them in here. Is this a confession? Actually, most of the posters have used only one handle, and many have identified themselves. The fact that several choose not to does not mean we have all left the pale of civilized behavior. Actually, I'm inclined to believe the story that Neil died and Wilbur is his "legacy" because until a few years ago Neil did not engage much in sock puppets. You can't select to follow some rules and not others. Isn't that exactly what you are suggesting? That everyone should simply pick the rules they want to follow? Or are you suggesting that we make a point of breaking all rules? ASA is an example of that path. |
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