"Drew" wrote in message
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Young Zac has blown his chance to sail alone around the world. This from
his blog:

http://www.zacsunderland.com/blog/

"The shipping out there was so heavy - there was a constant stream of
ships coming in and out and 60 standing off the entrance. So I tacked out
to about two miles from the harbor and went hove-to. The guys from the
yacht club were having trouble finding me in the maze of lights so I
turned on my strobe. When they found me they threw me a line and a cold
Coke and towed me in. Now I was so tired coming in that I was falling
asleep with the wind in my face. I finally got docked about 4:30 in the
morning and went over to Phil's boat for a very light dinner.

No honor! Even Donald Crowhurst is probably spinning in his grave.

Wilbur Hubbard
and the most demanding trip you have made is ?????
what do you expect of the guy die trying to get into port.
Zac is having a go at something many of us wish we could do, a short tow
into port is irrelavent, its like saying you cant pass someone your lines
at the dock
Get a life.


Sorry, but Zac is now an admitted fraud and a cheater. Your opinion and low
standards don't matter a lick.

So your really think accepting a tow is irrelevant when sailing alone around
the world??? Well then, if he can be towed two miles into port then why not
five miles, or ten? A hundred, maybe? What if he gets becalmed in the middle
of an ocean? Can he allow himself to be craned aboard a freighter and ride
as deck cargo for 500 miles or until the winds pick back up? A thousand
miles? Where is the cut-off point?

What ever happened to people actually doing what they claim to be doing?
He's claiming to sail alone around the world. Never mind that he's already
cheating by sailing "by committee" with legions helping him with anything
and everything. He can't repair a boom himself. He has no mechanical
aptitude. He can't keep his motor running. He spends more time blabbing on
satellite telephones than a teenage girl. That's hardly sailing alone. But,
in a very strict sense it could be interpreted to mean he's the only one at
the helm of his boat and making his own way.

But even this loose interpretation all comes to a screeching halt the minute
he accepts a tow. Then, he's definitely NOT sailing alone around the world.
His boat is being TOWED for heaven's sake. Unless he makes his way ALL the
way around the world under his own power he has NOT sailed alone around the
world. And don't give me this crap that sailing into and out of port doesn't
count. It definitely DOES count as it's all part of the voyage around the
world. You can't snip a chunk out here and another chunk out there and
legitimately claim you have sailed alone around the world.

It saddens me that so many people like you have such low ethical standards
that you actually condone blatant and obvious cheating. Ask yourself why
you're like that. Is it because you are also a cheater in any life's
pursuit? Probably.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Drew" wrote in message
net...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Young Zac has blown his chance to sail alone around the world. This from
his blog:


Sorry, but Zac is now an admitted fraud and a cheater. Your opinion and low
standards don't matter a lick.

to be accused of cheatimg or fraud he would not have admitted to
recieving the tow, he did not

So your really think accepting a tow is irrelevant when sailing alone around
the world??? Well then, if he can be towed two miles into port then why not
five miles, or ten? A hundred, maybe? What if he gets becalmed in the middle
of an ocean? Can he allow himself to be craned aboard a freighter and ride
as deck cargo for 500 miles or until the winds pick back up? A thousand
miles? Where is the cut-off point?

What ever happened to people actually doing what they claim to be doing?
He's claiming to sail alone around the world. Never mind that he's already
cheating by sailing "by committee" with legions helping him with anything
and everything. He can't repair a boom himself. He has no mechanical
aptitude. He can't keep his motor running. He spends more time blabbing on
satellite telephones than a teenage girl. That's hardly sailing alone. But,
in a very strict sense it could be interpreted to mean he's the only one at
the helm of his boat and making his own way.
so you have never asked for advice my what a clever person you must be

But even this loose interpretation all comes to a screeching halt the minute
he accepts a tow. Then, he's definitely NOT sailing alone around the world.
His boat is being TOWED for heaven's sake. Unless he makes his way ALL the
way around the world under his own power he has NOT sailed alone around the
world. And don't give me this crap that sailing into and out of port doesn't
count. It definitely DOES count as it's all part of the voyage around the
world. You can't snip a chunk out here and another chunk out there and
legitimately claim you have sailed alone around the world.

If you knew jack **** you would be aware that he must sail back past
where he will have picked up tow to continue thereby the milage "sailed
will still be completed
It saddens me that so many people like you have such low ethical standards
that you actually condone blatant and obvious cheating. Ask yourself why
you're like that. Is it because you are also a cheater in any life's
pursuit? Probably.

why must you belittle the efforts of these you adventurers, would you
prefer them to join street gangs and turn to crime.
I say again get a life

"Drew" wrote in message
net...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Drew" wrote in message
net...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Young Zac has blown his chance to sail alone around the world. This
from his blog:


Sorry, but Zac is now an admitted fraud and a cheater. Your opinion and
low standards don't matter a lick.

to be accused of cheatimg or fraud he would not have admitted to recieving
the tow, he did not

So your really think accepting a tow is irrelevant when sailing alone
around the world??? Well then, if he can be towed two miles into port
then why not five miles, or ten? A hundred, maybe? What if he gets
becalmed in the middle of an ocean? Can he allow himself to be craned
aboard a freighter and ride as deck cargo for 500 miles or until the
winds pick back up? A thousand miles? Where is the cut-off point?

What ever happened to people actually doing what they claim to be doing?
He's claiming to sail alone around the world. Never mind that he's
already cheating by sailing "by committee" with legions helping him with
anything and everything. He can't repair a boom himself. He has no
mechanical aptitude. He can't keep his motor running. He spends more time
blabbing on satellite telephones than a teenage girl. That's hardly
sailing alone. But, in a very strict sense it could be interpreted to
mean he's the only one at the helm of his boat and making his own way.
so you have never asked for advice my what a clever person you must be

But even this loose interpretation all comes to a screeching halt the
minute he accepts a tow. Then, he's definitely NOT sailing alone around
the world. His boat is being TOWED for heaven's sake. Unless he makes his
way ALL the way around the world under his own power he has NOT sailed
alone around the world. And don't give me this crap that sailing into and
out of port doesn't count. It definitely DOES count as it's all part of
the voyage around the world. You can't snip a chunk out here and another
chunk out there and legitimately claim you have sailed alone around the
world.

If you knew jack **** you would be aware that he must sail back past where
he will have picked up tow to continue thereby the milage "sailed will
still be completed
It saddens me that so many people like you have such low ethical
standards that you actually condone blatant and obvious cheating. Ask
yourself why you're like that. Is it because you are also a cheater in
any life's pursuit? Probably.

why must you belittle the efforts of these you adventurers, would you
prefer them to join street gangs and turn to crime.
I say again get a life


Spoken like a good liberal. There is a huge difference between effort and
accomplishment in case you've forgotten the obvious. I am not belittling
Zac's effort. I am belittling his accomplishment because, by accepting a
tow, his accomplishment is NOT what he's claiming it to be. He's a fraud and
a liar!

It's that simple. We realists still believe that accomplishment counts and
effort is something any old fool can direct or misdirect. Only when the
effort results in accomplishing the stated goal is effort worth anything.
Get it? Effort and failure is failure. Effort and success is success. In
other words effort has NO meaning as a stand alone process other than being
a starting point.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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Spoken like a good liberal. There is a huge difference between effort and
accomplishment in case you've forgotten the obvious. I am not belittling
Zac's effort. I am belittling his accomplishment because, by accepting a
tow, his accomplishment is NOT what he's claiming it to be. He's a fraud
and a liar!

It's that simple. We realists still believe that accomplishment counts and
effort is something any old fool can direct or misdirect. Only when the
effort results in accomplishing the stated goal is effort worth anything.
Get it? Effort and failure is failure. Effort and success is success. In
other words effort has NO meaning as a stand alone process other than
being a starting point.


Wilbur Hubbard


Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo around
the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during his
circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except that
he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their point
of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an
accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began before
continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was attempting a
non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason.

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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Spoken like a good liberal. There is a huge difference between effort and
accomplishment in case you've forgotten the obvious. I am not belittling
Zac's effort. I am belittling his accomplishment because, by accepting a
tow, his accomplishment is NOT what he's claiming it to be. He's a fraud
and a liar!

It's that simple. We realists still believe that accomplishment counts
and effort is something any old fool can direct or misdirect. Only when
the effort results in accomplishing the stated goal is effort worth
anything. Get it? Effort and failure is failure. Effort and success is
success. In other words effort has NO meaning as a stand alone process
other than being a starting point.


Wilbur Hubbard


Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during
his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except
that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their
point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an
accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began
before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was
attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason.


Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might as
well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the California
marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world back to that
very starting point then sail back in and he would then have sailed alone
around the world.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...
Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings
during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all!
Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests
to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an
accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began
before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was
attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason.


Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might
as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the
California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world
back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have
sailed alone around the world.


Wilbur Hubbard


You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he accepted
the tow and then continue around the world on his own.

KLC Lewis wrote:

[About "Wilbur Hubbard"]

You missed my point.

No he didn't, he's just a pathetic trolling **** who doesn't have the
balls to sail a boat.

The problem for trolls is that give away too much about themselves,
their prejudices and their fears when they post. And by that it's easy
to see what pathetic nobodies they are.

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...
Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings
during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at
all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his
guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an
accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began
before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was
attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason.


Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might
as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the
California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world
back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have
sailed alone around the world.


Wilbur Hubbard


You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he
accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own.


All I did is reverse the tow and the sail making it ludicrously obvious that
unless one sails the whole way around the world one is not sailing around
the world. You can't snip out a chunk here and a chunk there of the voyage
and claim those chunks don't count. You haven't completed your voyage unless
and until you go the entire way by yourself under your own motive power.
This is so obvious. Only other cheaters and shirklaws would claim otherwise.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:57:49 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
tanews.com...

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...
Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings
during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all!
Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests
to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an
accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began
before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was
attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason.


Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might
as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the
California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world
back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have
sailed alone around the world.


Wilbur Hubbard


You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he accepted
the tow and then continue around the world on his own.


No! No! You don't understand! Wilbur (the Sage of the Sailors) is
always right!

To paraphrase the poet, "yours not to question why, your's but to do
or die". You see, if you don't it will cause Willie's tiny ego to
crumble to dust and he will become a non-entity.

You wouldn't want that on your conscience.... would you?
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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Spoken like a good liberal. There is a huge difference between effort and
accomplishment in case you've forgotten the obvious. I am not belittling
Zac's effort. I am belittling his accomplishment because, by accepting a
tow, his accomplishment is NOT what he's claiming it to be. He's a fraud
and a liar!

It's that simple. We realists still believe that accomplishment counts
and effort is something any old fool can direct or misdirect. Only when
the effort results in accomplishing the stated goal is effort worth
anything. Get it? Effort and failure is failure. Effort and success is
success. In other words effort has NO meaning as a stand alone process
other than being a starting point.


Wilbur Hubbard


Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during
his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except
that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their
point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

Slocum had no motor. He actually sailed. Unlike the cheater Zac who has
motored hundreds, perhaps thousands of miles now, Slocum was an ethical
person. He believed in being honest and forthwright. Zac and his gaggle of
publicity stunt sychophants are *******izing the the very meaning of a solo
circumnavigation. Robin Know-Johnston, for example, would not take a tow
when in dire straits in New Zealand. He spent hours beating against wind and
current to get into a bay where he could anchor and affect repairs. He would
not even allow anybody on board to help him. He knew to do so would
invalidate the record he eventually won. The man had a moral compass. Zac
and his ilk have no such thing.


If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an
accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began
before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was
attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason.


Duh, if he hadn't been towed in for repairs the chances are he would have
had to abort the voyage? So he's cheating. Part of his voyage, instead of
being solo, was a group effort. He was TOWED. That part of the voyage where
he was towed cannot be counted. The gap between a waypoint, port and back to
the waypoint cannot be discounted. Stupid people trying to justify cheating
.. . . Shame on you.

Wilbur Hubbard