wrote

BTW lifelines should
be replaced with a low-stretch hi-UV-resistant line, not wire. And
*definitely* not plastic covered wire. That stuff is dangerous for
lifelines, even though it's almost universal on older cruisers & racer-
cruisers.

Agreed on the plastic coated line but I replaced mine with plain rigging
wire and have been very happy with the result. They look great and I've
never been aware of any objectionable feel or chafe. The line will need to
be replaced more often and chafe may not be as evident. Wire is also
stronger and the terminals neater.

I did dispense with turnbuckles at the forward ends and use eyes with nylon
lashings. These work fine, stay tight all season, and do not chafe the foot
of the headsails.

--
Roger Long

On Nov 30, 12:22 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
wrote

BTW lifelines should
be replaced with a low-stretch hi-UV-resistant line, not wire. And
*definitely* not plastic covered wire. That stuff is dangerous for
lifelines, even though it's almost universal on older cruisers & racer-
cruisers.

Agreed on the plastic coated line but I replaced mine with plain rigging
wire and have been very happy with the result. They look great and I've
never been aware of any objectionable feel or chafe. The line will need to
be replaced more often and chafe may not be as evident. Wire is also
stronger and the terminals neater.

I did dispense with turnbuckles at the forward ends and use eyes with nylon
lashings. These work fine, stay tight all season, and do not chafe the foot
of the headsails.

--
Roger Long

I also like my new spreader level light that illuminates the foredeck
when adjusting the anchor at night. Was money well spent and
reasonably cheap.
A simple Davis radar reflector that is very cheap (learn how to use
it).
A good Man overboard system.
Some cheap strobes that attach to life jackets

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:25:23 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:


Replace the lifelines too

Now there, I agree. Minor costs & hassle... and BTW lifelines should
be replaced with a low-stretch hi-UV-resistant line, not wire. And
*definitely* not plastic covered wire. That stuff is dangerous for
lifelines, even though it's almost universal on older cruisers & racer-
cruisers.



Fresh Breezes- Doug King

STRONGLY disagree about non-metal lifelines. Far too easy to damage.
You (or someone else) may nick one without ever even realizing it
until you fall against the line and it parts.

If you want something more comfortable than bare stainless wire, there
are split covers that can be removed for inspection, as well as clear
plastic covers.

wrote:
STRONGLY disagree about non-metal lifelines. Far too easy to damage.
You (or someone else) may nick one without ever even realizing it

Only if you're the kind of dumbass that wanders around waving a
samurai sword carelessly.

First of all, the kind of line that one would use does not "nick"
easily.

2nd a "nick" would not cost it much strength and it has plenty to
spare.

3rd that's what every single Cat 1 offshore racer has used for the
past 15 years. I haven't seen bare wire lifelines on anything lately.
The cheapo cruisers are still using plastic covered wire and everybody
else is using Dyneema or a variant.


If you want something more comfortable than bare stainless wire, there
are split covers that can be removed for inspection, as well as clear
plastic covers.

Might be a good option if you are in the "stick or rock" technology
bracket. But it's not approved for Cat 1 or Cat 0 offshore use. Does
that tell you anything?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Nov 29, 5:03*am, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote:
Hello again; * women haters, know it alls, never owned but
full of advice, and then there are the nuts/bolts/screws.. all loose..

And of course,, The Hubbard ... *question; *how many Hubbards are there?

This is your assignment ::

You have been given a Sabre 28. *Model year 1976..

The boat is in ok shape... Hull sound, deck sound .. basic equipment ..

You have xxxx to spend.. *think?? * at least $15,000 ..

What equipment will you replace, add, get, .. *etc ??

My list so far :: *and remember, this comes from a Barnes and Noble book ..

Replace the standing and running rigging .. *add two self tailing winches ..
upgrade the
anchor and anchor equipment .. *sails .. *furling for jib.. [ maybe, the
book says the
furling systems don't work the sail very well and a second smaller jib will
sail the boat better ]

What stuff would you EXPERTS get ..

The windvane steerer? * Or electric stuff ?

what about engine upgrades ?/ *batteries? *solar/wind power ?

not a drip with out the pressure!
I would look to the basics, hull, running gear, standing rigging and
sails, etc. dont buy it if you dont need it and dont spend on the
shiny garbage. personally i would find an OLD fishermen and have them
look over the boat and gear take them out a time or two. they may not
be able to sail it but i'll bet that they will have some
recommendations on how the boat runs and what stuff needs fixing. i
would also look for morages around the fishing fleets. its not going
to have the ammenities that the white boat docks have but its going to
be less costly. look at and ask how the working sailors fix stuff its
not gonna be like the white boats but it will work and it will for the
most part last. ask around the fishing docks for who the working
sailors call when the engine or electronics fail this guy will most
likly be some old codger that will talk your ears off but he will know
his biz. use your head if it looks to good to be true it likely is,
talk to folks, ask questions, watch the old guys and gals, often you
can learn more in an afternoon with your mouth shut. than toung
wagging will get you in a month. dont think that old sailor slowly
splicing a line has not noticed you he has and he slowed down so you
could see what he's doing. take the lession home and work on it
somewhere along the line that old sailor will see you learned it.
Offer to help on the dock, the fastest way to learn is to help someone
and when you need help they will show up.

compliment a good job when you see it but dont be effusive. a simple
nice work or i like the splice, mat, patch, anon will get you alot of
info and it makes you a welcome sight. dont flash cash most working
sailors dont give a whit if you got money and it will ruin your rep if
you try to drown them in money. oh and as to your REP make it good, if
you say you will be somplace or help someone, do it come hell or high
water most folks at sea will do the same for you as long as they know
its worth it.

this is my experiance on the west coast several countries and the
arctic but all claims are off for the east coast and gulf.

On Nov 30, 5:42 pm, Gogarty wrote:
Congratulations on your gift. It is the gift that will keep on taking.

This probably is not very helpful. But your budget of $15,000 will get you
nowhere.

Get a survey. Ignore Wilbur. If you want to insure the boat you will have to
get one anyway.

Then resign yourself to the fact that you will have $30,000 in that boat
within the year. Heed the voice of experience with a surveyed 1976 Dawson 26.
And that was twenty-five years ago. You could read all about it in an article
entitled "We'll never fall in love again" in a magazine called "Messing About
in Boats," long defunct.

$30,000, what nonsense, what are you doing, gold plating everything?
If your budget goes over $12,000 you are wasting money on BS. Its a
1976 boat probably worth maybe $10,000 guys, get a realistic grip.

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:03:38 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

$30,000, what nonsense, what are you doing, gold plating everything?
If your budget goes over $12,000 you are wasting money on BS. Its a
1976 boat probably worth maybe $10,000 guys, get a realistic grip.

Doesn't matter, they are talking about preparing a boat for serious
cruising and/or living aboard. The age of the boat and its value are
irrelevant to doing the job right. It costs what it costs.
Outfitting a boat is never a good financial investment.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:03:38 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

$30,000, what nonsense, what are you doing, gold plating everything?
If your budget goes over $12,000 you are wasting money on BS. Its a
1976 boat probably worth maybe $10,000 guys, get a realistic grip.

Doesn't matter, they are talking about preparing a boat for serious
cruising and/or living aboard. The age of the boat and its value are
irrelevant to doing the job right. It costs what it costs.
Outfitting a boat is never a good financial investment.



There is a world of difference between cruising and living aboard.
Live aboard awhile, then if you want to go cruising, outfit the boat
accordingly, IE; A circumnavigation has different needs then a coastal
hopper.
Gordon

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:43:47 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:03:38 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

$30,000, what nonsense, what are you doing, gold plating everything?
If your budget goes over $12,000 you are wasting money on BS. Its a
1976 boat probably worth maybe $10,000 guys, get a realistic grip.

Doesn't matter, they are talking about preparing a boat for serious
cruising and/or living aboard. The age of the boat and its value are
irrelevant to doing the job right. It costs what it costs.
Outfitting a boat is never a good financial investment.

Unless you consider your life to be worth something, of course!

(yes, Wayne, I know that you meant it wouldn't be a money maker)

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:03:38 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Nov 30, 5:42 pm, Gogarty wrote:
Congratulations on your gift. It is the gift that will keep on taking.

This probably is not very helpful. But your budget of $15,000 will get you
nowhere.

Get a survey. Ignore Wilbur. If you want to insure the boat you will have to
get one anyway.

Then resign yourself to the fact that you will have $30,000 in that boat
within the year. Heed the voice of experience with a surveyed 1976 Dawson 26.
And that was twenty-five years ago. You could read all about it in an article
entitled "We'll never fall in love again" in a magazine called "Messing About
in Boats," long defunct.

$30,000, what nonsense, what are you doing, gold plating everything?
If your budget goes over $12,000 you are wasting money on BS. Its a
1976 boat probably worth maybe $10,000 guys, get a realistic grip.

The OP was talking about "upgrading" the engine, which would be 8-14K
all by itself.

The bottom line is that what you paid for a boat that age doesn't have
much effect on what it costs to bring it up to snuff. On a boat in
better condition, that costs more to aquire, you will be replacing all
the same things within the first few years regardless. People don't
usually do a complete refit right before they sell. Usually it's the
opposite. They know they will be getting rid of the boat and stop
doing even basic maintenance, let alone major replacements - sometimes
a few YEARS in advance.