"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he
raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he
should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Bill McKee wrote:
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Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Rule 3 (c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail
provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

It says "being used" not "running." Big difference. And its
specifically mentions "propelling machinery" implying the engine must
be used for propelling. Would you claim that an engine being used for
ballast makes it a powerboat?

Further, if you're on another boat and see an exhaust from a sailboat
that otherwise appears to be sailing, are you free to treat it as a
powerboat? Of course not, that might simply be a genset.

Sorry Bill, its pretty clear you don't really understand the rules.

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
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Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Rule 3 (c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail provided
that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

It says "being used" not "running." Big difference. And its specifically
mentions "propelling machinery" implying the engine must be used for
propelling. Would you claim that an engine being used for ballast makes
it a powerboat?

Further, if you're on another boat and see an exhaust from a sailboat that
otherwise appears to be sailing, are you free to treat it as a powerboat?
Of course not, that might simply be a genset.

Sorry Bill, its pretty clear you don't really understand the rules.

Bzzt: You are wrong.

Bill McKee wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
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Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.
Rule 3 (c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail provided
that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

It says "being used" not "running." Big difference. And its specifically
mentions "propelling machinery" implying the engine must be used for
propelling. Would you claim that an engine being used for ballast makes
it a powerboat?

Further, if you're on another boat and see an exhaust from a sailboat that
otherwise appears to be sailing, are you free to treat it as a powerboat?
Of course not, that might simply be a genset.

Sorry Bill, its pretty clear you don't really understand the rules.

Bzzt: You are wrong.
Bzzt: You are wrong. And its pretty clear you're a dangerous jackass
who doesn't belong on the water. Anyone who claims its common and
proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.

Jeff wrote in
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proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the marina.

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Larry

Here are a couple of the applicable rules to consider.
Note the specific rule for vessels less than 20 metres or a sailing
vessel (any length) in a narrow channel.
Note the specific rule on overtaking in narrow channels.
There are also rules on safe speed which I am happy to provide to help
the discussion.

People with more savvy than any of use created and continue to improve
the rules. It is up to us to learn them.

Rule 9

Narrow Channels--International

(a)A vessel proceeding along the course of a narrow channel or fairway
shall keep as near to the outer limit of the channel or fairway which
lies on her starboard side as is safe and practicable.

(b)A vessel of less than 20 metres in length or a sailing vessel shall
not impede the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within
a narrow channel or fairway.

(d)A vessel shall not cross a narrow channel or fairway if such crossing
impedes the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within
such channel or fairway. The latter vessel may use the sound signal
prescribed in Rule 34(d) if in doubt as to the intention of the crossing
vessel.

(e)(i)In a narrow channel or fairway when overtaking can take place only
if the vessel to be overtaken has to take action to permit safe passing,
the vessel intending to overtake shall indicate her intention by
sounding the appropriate signal prescribed in Rule 34(c)(i). The vessel
to be overtaken shall, if in agreement, sound the appropriate signal
prescribed in Rule 34(c)(ii) and take steps to permit safe passing. If
in doubt she may sound the signals prescribed in Rule 34(d).

(ii) This Rule does not relieve the overtaking vessel of her obligation
under Rule 13.

Rule 13

Overtaking--International

(a)Notwithstanding anything contained in the Rules of Part B, Sections I
and II, any vessel overtaking any other vessel shall keep out of the way
of the vessel being overtaken.

(d)Any subsequent alteration of the bearing between the two vessels
shall not make the overtaking vessel a crossing vessel within the
meaning of these Rules or relieve her of the duty of keeping clear of
the overtaken vessel until she is finally past and clear.

Gary wrote in news44bf.417596$tl2.177416@pd7tw3no:

Narrow Channels--International


All this is great....if you're a ship from Le Havre. But, the jetski guy
has his South Carolina Dept of Natural Resources, Boater's Handbook. (The
guy on the sailboat probably doesn't have anything...and I'm serious.)
Whatever bureaucrats are in charge locally are the ones that set the rules
and bust them in the harbor and ICW. No boater safety course actually
teaches these International Rules.

So, the rules he goes by (assuming he goes by rules and is a nice guy with
family out for a PWC cruise, not some freak, which most of them really are
not) is the Boater's Handbook DNR handed him when he took his 2 sons to the
PWC training course DNR ran at the high school so the boys could get their
little DNR drivers permits. It says 50' from boats and docks and 200' from
marinas.

This nonsense of 8 layers of rule-making bureaucrats, all different in
every fiefdom you boat across, is REALLY STUPID!!

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Larry

"Larry" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote in
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proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

"Larry" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote in
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proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

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Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same direction
traffic.

"Bill McKee" wrote in
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I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction traffic.


This isn't about "me". I was simply stating the local rules.

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Larry