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Same way I get it from your post. When someone has disdain for success and then tries to rationalize it with rhetoric, then what can I say? Which political system thinks like that? 'Bring down' those wages Watt says. Why? Ever thought about increasing world-wide productivity, local markets and those abroad? Where there are people and resources, there is room for a who new economy. The US isn't the only place to produce products and to sell them. China could do it all on their own if the Communist government got out of the way. Squelch a free market in the name of 'fairness' or 'equalizing wages' or any other non-free, non-motivating artificial philosophy and you're dead in the water ...doomed to be nothing more than another philosophical failure. When people from poor nations come to the US, their first question is "Where are the poor people?". Yes, there are poor people here ...many in hopeless situations, but it wasn't caused by capitalism. It's caused by drugs, promiscuity, and lack of effort. It's a behavioral issue. I know that in some environments that you'd have to be nearly super human to overcome the culture/attitudes in order for you to succeed and that's very sad. That's one of the factors that leads to these problems, but it's still a behavioral problem. People have to believe in themselves and in their ability to succeed, but in many areas that is asking a bit too much. I wish I had a solution. I really do ...I'm not trying to be mean here, just objective. And again, unless you live here, you are speaking from a vicarious experience at most so don't get too bent out of shape on philosophies until your country proves itself to be our equal. If governments spent more time getting out of the way, then more people would produce more and sell more and live better ...it's a deceptively simple equation that we've proved works. If in a free society, people choose to live on excuses instead of actions, then who are we to blame? A friend of mine from India came here and went to college, graduating without any school loans and with a good GPA. Under the agreement that this person was constrained by, they were not allowed to work off campus. They were not allowed to drive. In those conditions and without any financial sponsor, this person succeeded because they chose to. People need to understand the value in that, what places like the US provide ...the opportunity to succeed if you are willing to make the effort. People here have no excuses that cannot be overcome by their own free will. And BTW, before you say something like "doing whatever they can from the purse", how about if you say "they should be doing whatever they can by the sweat of their brow and the innovations in their head" instead? Rather than play the victim, shouldn't they choose to be the success? This is what this country was built on, the attitude of choosing to succeed. There is much to emulate nowadays, so why don't they? Brian "Old Nick" wrote in message news:42532286.329671590@localhost... On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:32:42 -0700, "Brian D" wrote something ......and in reply I say!: How on earth do you get "socialist" out of what is written by Mr Watt? Apart from that, try arguing the point, without the invective and labelling. Many lands that "experience a truly free capitalist society where innovation and free market rule are what provide people with their life's dreams" also causes extreme poverty for those unable, for many reasons often beyond their control, or unwilling because of their moral outlook, to take whatever they can whenever they can from the purse. Spoken like a true Canadian socialist who's never experience a truly free capitalist society where innovation and free market rule are what provide people with their life's dreams. I would recommend that you try it before you judge it. 2. Labour costs in North America and Europe are out of sight and need to come down. The whole object of the violent union demonstrations at the Seattle WTO conferene was to try and impose quotas against lower cost goods from countries where labour costs are lower. The US unions bussed in thousands of people to throw rocks at police officers. It worked because ............ retail jobs to locals, or the US ecomony will fail. Yes, the unions are spreading malicious propaganda about "workers rights" overseas and about job loses at home, because wages have been so good that North Amercian unions have lost their reason for being and lost so many members they are at their lowest point in decades. They are trying to scare people to build up their membership again. ************************************************** **************************************** Whenever you have to prove to yourself that you are not something, you probably are. Nick White --- HEAD:Hertz Music remove ns from my header address to reply via email !! ") _/ ) ( ) _//- \__/ |
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"Brian D" wrote in message ... By the way?? How is that Chinese ply? kevin |
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Oh that? I dunno ...never bought any. Probably won't. The original poster
probably got scared away... Brian "Kevin Gunther" wrote in message ... "Brian D" wrote in message ... By the way?? How is that Chinese ply? kevin |
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Kevin Gunther wrote: "Brian D" wrote in message ... By the way?? How is that Chinese ply? kevin Did you not read my post? |
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On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:42:52 -0700, "Brian D"
wrote something .......and in reply I say!: Troll is supposed to be an insult. In your case, the only other option is that you are serious. Troll sounds good. ************************************************** **************************************** Whenever you have to prove to yourself that you are not something, you probably are. Nick White --- HEAD:Hertz Music remove ns from my header address to reply via email !! ") _/ ) ( ) _//- \__/ |
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I might be serious and I might not be. Pay attention ...I might be having
sport in dialectic rhetoric too. Can you tell when? People _should_ have these types of conversations. Brian "Old Nick" wrote in message news:42553bca.17498903@localhost... On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:42:52 -0700, "Brian D" wrote something ......and in reply I say!: Troll is supposed to be an insult. In your case, the only other option is that you are serious. Troll sounds good. ************************************************** **************************************** Whenever you have to prove to yourself that you are not something, you probably are. Nick White --- HEAD:Hertz Music remove ns from my header address to reply via email !! ") _/ ) ( ) _//- \__/ |
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