Does anyone have any information at all about the single cylinder
air-cooled diesels? The only reference I can find is an old posting
from someone who "made the mistake of fitting one.." ! Sounds
ominous.

On 29 Aug 2004 16:44:11 -0700, (Mike P) wrote:

Does anyone have any information at all about the single cylinder
air-cooled diesels? The only reference I can find is an old posting
from someone who "made the mistake of fitting one.." ! Sounds
ominous.

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Air cooled anything is problematic on a boat. Biggest issues are heat
ventilation and exhaust noise.

Ducati is a division of Fiat.

'nuf said.

The only reference I can find is an old posting
from someone who "made the mistake of fitting one.." ! Sounds
ominous.

There's a Ducati motorbike dealership near me that seems to specialize
in high-end racer-type machines. I had no clue they made air-cooled
diesels, the last one of which I heard of in a private yacht being the
Lister, I believe, and you rarely see them, although I believe they
were reliable "big iron", like Ford Lehman and Perkins..

I would imagine the spares make Volvo look like Perkins G

R.

On 30 Aug 2004 03:26:21 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Ducati is a division of Fiat.

'nuf said.

The only reference I can find is an old posting
from someone who "made the mistake of fitting one.." ! Sounds
ominous.

Others have already posted some negatives about aircooled engines in boats,
but many of those negatives can be overcome.

Exhaust smoke/smell/ noise can be overcome by running the exhaust through
a water lift. The lift won't actually spit out any water, but if you fill
it up and clean it out occaisionally, it will filter the soot and cut down
on the noise

Modern injected light weight aircooled diesels seem to run much cooler
than some of the earlier models from 40 years ago. It should be possible
to run a bilge fan off the power output of a flywheel style alternator
which would exchange enough air for at least an hour's worth of operation
in even a small enclosed engine compartment.

My assumption is that aircooled is attractive to you on the basis of price
and that you have a limited volume in which to fit an engine. I also
assume that you intend to use it as a true auxillary in a sailboat, i.e.
you do not intend to do any extended motoring, you just want to maneuver
out of congested harbors. That said, you would be ill advised to use
anything from Ducati based upon initial cost and the price of repair
parts. I would suggest the following engine:

http://launtop.com/ebusiness/en/prod...5&productid=40

The LA186 is 10 hp and the last time I priced one out (before the dollar
tanked) the price was USD$250 FOB China. These guys actually make all the
aircooled diesels for Yanmar. These are the same engines that you see on
construction equipment like whacker packers (tampers for trench work).
They are very reliable and you can get parts from any Yanmar dealer
worldide. The price you pay for a whole engine is less than you would pays
for a baggie of bolts from a Ducati dealer. These engines also have a lot
of output shaft options allowing you to choose one that can easily mate to
whatever trani you have been able to find.

Let us know how it works out for you


David
S/V Nausicaa

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:01:45 -0400, rhys wrote:


There's a Ducati motorbike dealership near me that seems to specialize
in high-end racer-type machines. I had no clue they made air-cooled
diesels, the last one of which I heard of in a private yacht being the
Lister, I believe, and you rarely see them, although I believe they
were reliable "big iron", like Ford Lehman and Perkins..

The dude schooner Shenandoah, out of Vineyard Haven MA, uses a Lister
Diesel each morning to hose the pine decks with salt water, charge the
batteries, and wake the passengers.

It is very effective in the third task. I don't think a dead passenger
would be impervious. :-)


Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC


We have achieved faith-based science,
faith-based economics, faith-based law
enforcement, and faith-based missile
defense.
What's next? Faith-based air traffic control?

"dbraun" wrote in message alkaboutboats.com...
Others have already posted some negatives about aircooled engines in boats,
but many of those negatives can be overcome.

Exhaust smoke/smell/ noise can be overcome by running the exhaust through
a water lift. The lift won't actually spit out any water, but if you fill
it up and clean it out occaisionally, it will filter the soot and cut down
on the noise

Modern injected light weight aircooled diesels seem to run much cooler
than some of the earlier models from 40 years ago. It should be possible
to run a bilge fan off the power output of a flywheel style alternator
which would exchange enough air for at least an hour's worth of operation
in even a small enclosed engine compartment.

My assumption is that aircooled is attractive to you on the basis of price
and that you have a limited volume in which to fit an engine. I also
assume that you intend to use it as a true auxillary in a sailboat, i.e.
you do not intend to do any extended motoring, you just want to maneuver
out of congested harbors. That said, you would be ill advised to use
anything from Ducati based upon initial cost and the price of repair
parts. I would suggest the following engine:

http://launtop.com/ebusiness/en/prod...5&productid=40

The LA186 is 10 hp and the last time I priced one out (before the dollar
tanked) the price was USD$250 FOB China. These guys actually make all the
aircooled diesels for Yanmar. These are the same engines that you see on
construction equipment like whacker packers (tampers for trench work).
They are very reliable and you can get parts from any Yanmar dealer
worldide. The price you pay for a whole engine is less than you would pays
for a baggie of bolts from a Ducati dealer. These engines also have a lot
of output shaft options allowing you to choose one that can easily mate to
whatever trani you have been able to find.

Let us know how it works out for you


David
S/V Nausicaa


To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of
Fiat. 'nuf said.

To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

Well,.... you might want to check that before jumping in, it's not that
simple. Ducati Motorcycles, who also make small industrial engines is
Ducati Motor Holding S.p.A. They are a significant part of the Aprilia
Group, which includes Aprilla, Moto Guzzi, etc.
The Aprilia group until very recently where majority owned by Agnelli.
Agnelli also owns 30% of Fiat. Fiat own Alfa Romeo, Maserati, and
Ferrari.

Fiat are linked to Ducati as much as Ford is to Aston Martin,Jaguar,
Volvo, Mazda and Hertz etc.

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of
Fiat. 'nuf said.


And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that
fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in
Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put
American cars to complete shame.