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Old May 25th 04, 02:40 PM
Ken Baker
 
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You have probably heard about the proposed tax increase on "red" diesel .
Worried about the increase I wrote to my M.P. Colin Challen, on15th
February 2004 to ask what was in the pipeline. Colin Challen promptly
passed on my request on the 16th Feb to John Healey, Economic Secretary for
this Government. He chased up this enquiry on the 15th March 2004 and
today, 25th May I have received a reply.

In brief I am informed that as of this time the ordinary diesel for road use
has a 47.10 pence tax per litre whereas the RED diesel is taxed at 4.22
pence per litre. This September 1st sees an increase to 6.24 pence per
litre and 48.52 pence per litre.

He tells me that an agreement under the relevant "European agreements" that
"pleasure" fuel in the E.U is normally taxed at the same rate as the equiv
road type fuel however the United Kingdom enjoys a derogation from this
provision and this allows all private pleasure craft and others to use red
diesel. This derogation is due to expire on 31st December 2006 but we will
have the opportunity to apply for an extension.

The future looks bleak for red diesel users so it may be worth your while
sending in your views to your M.P.

A very useful site is http://www.faxyourmp.com/ where you can find out
your M.P. and send a fax to him./her.

Good luck.

Ken Baker






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Old June 2nd 04, 03:57 PM
Larry W4CSC
 
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Note to American Socialists......

I'll pay my OWN doctor bills, thank you. YOU Democrats stay out of it.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for the information, Ken. You have my sympathy. Road gas in South
Carolina as 16c/US gallon Federal and 18.3c/US gallon State tax on it.
Diesel on-the-road has 5c/gallon more. Diesel at the marina has no tax on
it, but the marina gas is fully taxed at road tax rates. Diesel is
$US1.45/US Gallon at the moment on the dock. Down in Florida, diesel at
Daytona Marina was $1.56/US Gallon on the dock.

Here in Charleston, SC, gas is about $US1.85/US gallon for 87 octane on the
street. OF course, marinas charge about 50c/gallon more than on the
street. They figure if you can afford a boat, you can afford to get ripped
off a little more.

I watched Daytona Marina fuel up a Mangusta 108 Italian monster while I was
at the dock. She took on 3600 US gallons at $1.56/gallon from a tired old
mechanical service station fuel pump. It took over 3.5 hours to do
that...(c; The Mangusta has twin MTU V-16's and huge jetdrives. Fuel
consumption is measured in litres/meter....hee hee.

Larry


"Ken Baker" wrote in
:


You have probably heard about the proposed tax increase on "red"
diesel . Worried about the increase I wrote to my M.P. Colin Challen,
on15th February 2004 to ask what was in the pipeline. Colin Challen
promptly passed on my request on the 16th Feb to John Healey, Economic
Secretary for this Government. He chased up this enquiry on the 15th
March 2004 and today, 25th May I have received a reply.

In brief I am informed that as of this time the ordinary diesel for
road use has a 47.10 pence tax per litre whereas the RED diesel is
taxed at 4.22 pence per litre. This September 1st sees an increase to
6.24 pence per litre and 48.52 pence per litre.

He tells me that an agreement under the relevant "European agreements"
that "pleasure" fuel in the E.U is normally taxed at the same rate as
the equiv road type fuel however the United Kingdom enjoys a
derogation from this provision and this allows all private pleasure
craft and others to use red diesel. This derogation is due to expire
on 31st December 2006 but we will have the opportunity to apply for an
extension.

The future looks bleak for red diesel users so it may be worth your
while sending in your views to your M.P.

A very useful site is http://www.faxyourmp.com/ where you can find
out your M.P. and send a fax to him./her.

Good luck.

Ken Baker







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Old June 3rd 04, 07:32 AM
Meindert Sprang
 
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"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
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it, but the marina gas is fully taxed at road tax rates. Diesel is
$US1.45/US Gallon at the moment on the dock. Down in Florida, diesel at
Daytona Marina was $1.56/US Gallon on the dock.

Here in Charleston, SC, gas is about $US1.85/US gallon for 87 octane on

the
street.


Stop whining about your fuel prices.
Here in the Netherlands we pay (converted to US measures) $3.94/gallon for
diesel and $5.97/gallon for gas (95 octane).

Meindert


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Old June 3rd 04, 10:28 PM
Gordon Wedman
 
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I think I heard today that gas has gone over $2L in the UK. That's
something like $8 gallon................

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
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"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
it, but the marina gas is fully taxed at road tax rates. Diesel is
$US1.45/US Gallon at the moment on the dock. Down in Florida, diesel at
Daytona Marina was $1.56/US Gallon on the dock.

Here in Charleston, SC, gas is about $US1.85/US gallon for 87 octane on

the
street.


Stop whining about your fuel prices.
Here in the Netherlands we pay (converted to US measures) $3.94/gallon for
diesel and $5.97/gallon for gas (95 octane).

Meindert




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Old June 4th 04, 01:02 AM
beldar
 
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Larry W4CSC wrote:
Note to American Socialists......

I'll pay my OWN doctor bills, thank you. YOU Democrats stay out of it.


You poor, propagandised American. You've been sold to the insurance
companies and you're too dumb to know it. I mean this in all sincerity.
Stay healthy because God help you if you get really ill. You will
kiss your financial security and that of your children good-bye and when
the going gets really rough, you can count on your private insurance
coverage to end faster than one of Britney Spears marriages. You guys
just don't get it. When you walk into a hospital with let's say a
compound fracture or prostrate cancer, the first words out of the
receptionist's mouth should be "Please sit here." and not "Who is your
insurance carrier?"


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Meindert Sprang
 
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"Gordon Wedman" wrote in message
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I think I heard today that gas has gone over $2L in the UK. That's
something like $8 gallon................


Ouch!

Meindert


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Old June 4th 04, 10:10 AM
Rick & Linda Bernard
 
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The price per barrel of crude in the UK is the same as it is in the USA.
Perhaps a little cheaper since less transportation costs. Since the raw
material price is the same and the refining costs should be the same the
only difference is the taxes and the potential profiting. Many countries
raise a considerable amount of taxes via gasoline and diesel. It seems that
the UK is one of them. Does that mean that they have lower taxes elseware -
I don't think so.

I have heard that the governments claim that it encourages conservation. I
think if I lived in the UK I would ride a bike.


"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
...
"Gordon Wedman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I think I heard today that gas has gone over $2L in the UK. That's
something like $8 gallon................


Ouch!

Meindert




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Old June 4th 04, 06:35 PM
Gordon Wedman
 
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In my part of Canada the price of premium is about $4 Cdn per gallon. I
wouldn't think UK gasoline taxes would add another $4. I suspect UK
production costs are somewhat higher for various reasons, cost of
electricity for one. A refinery uses a tremendous amount of electricity.
Then there is supply and demand. Always a good reason to jack up the price.
"Rick & Linda Bernard" wrote in message
...
The price per barrel of crude in the UK is the same as it is in the USA.
Perhaps a little cheaper since less transportation costs. Since the raw
material price is the same and the refining costs should be the same the
only difference is the taxes and the potential profiting. Many countries
raise a considerable amount of taxes via gasoline and diesel. It seems

that
the UK is one of them. Does that mean that they have lower taxes

elseware -
I don't think so.

I have heard that the governments claim that it encourages conservation.

I
think if I lived in the UK I would ride a bike.


"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
...
"Gordon Wedman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I think I heard today that gas has gone over $2L in the UK. That's
something like $8 gallon................


Ouch!

Meindert






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Old June 4th 04, 07:07 PM
Rick
 
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beldar wrote:

You poor, propagandised American.


So sadly true ... The American Redneck (Boobus Americanus) cannot seem
top grasp the fact that he pays more for the growing number of uninsured
when they finally can no longer avoid medical services than it would
cost to provide them with a form of national insurance.

Rick

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Old June 6th 04, 03:25 AM
Jean Dufour
 
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Since that hyke in crude oil prices, the regular gas has jumped, in roadside
stations, from 72 cents/liter to 92 in Montreal. Meanwhile, according to
goverment numbers supplied last week, the profit at the refinery went from 6 to
21 cents a liter. Do the math. 20 cents more at the pump an 15 to the refinery,
that leaves only 5 cents to pay for the increase in crude. My conclusion is
that it's the oil companies that pluck you (and me for that matter!), not the
gov nor the OPEC.

Jean Dufour
Montreal, Qc

Gordon Wedman wrote:

In my part of Canada the price of premium is about $4 Cdn per gallon. I
wouldn't think UK gasoline taxes would add another $4. I suspect UK
production costs are somewhat higher for various reasons, cost of
electricity for one. A refinery uses a tremendous amount of electricity.
Then there is supply and demand. Always a good reason to jack up the price.
"Rick & Linda Bernard" wrote in message
...
The price per barrel of crude in the UK is the same as it is in the USA.
Perhaps a little cheaper since less transportation costs. Since the raw
material price is the same and the refining costs should be the same the
only difference is the taxes and the potential profiting.




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