On Sep 16, 5:56 pm, wrote:
On 16 Sep, 19:10, Martin Baxter wrote:



Donal wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:26:33 -0400, Marty wrote:

wrote:
Most people won't stare at an Aston because they won't recognise
it.
Donal, you're wasting your breath,

Oh I don't know. He has stopped using
the phrase "Well regarded", which normally
appears in every post.

Bob can't understand the mystique of
a DB9 anymore that he could understand why you'd want to drive a '52
Bentley Mk VI.

Pure Beauty and Soul. What a georgeous car.

I was a passenger in one a few times some years ago. Some people brag
about "new car smell", being in this was more like being in a clean tack
room. Hand finished burled walnut....leather.... just beautiful inside
and out. I think top speed was about 95, but that was a bonus, you just
wanted the ride to last forever...

I am jealous. Were you in the hardtop or the opentop version?

Both look nice, but the opentop looks utterly magnificant!

I bet that Bob just thinks that they look old-fashioned.


Since I have owned MG-TD series cars I actually have some experience
in this area and with real classics. Of course they look "old
fashioned." That's the point.



Would I prefer to be a passenger in a Bently Mark VI or
the driver of an Evo? I know which I would choose.

Bob?



Choose for what? Cruising or hard driving? Hmmmm?



RB

On 17 Sep, 04:26, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
On Sep 16, 5:56 pm, wrote:



On 16 Sep, 19:10, Martin Baxter wrote:

Donal wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:26:33 -0400, Marty wrote:

wrote:
Most people won't stare at an Aston because they won't recognise
it.
Donal, you're wasting your breath,

Oh I don't know. He has stopped using
the phrase "Well regarded", which normally
appears in every post.

Bob can't understand the mystique of
a DB9 anymore that he could understand why you'd want to drive a '52
Bentley Mk VI.

Pure Beauty and Soul. What a georgeous car.

I was a passenger in one a few times some years ago. Some people brag
about "new car smell", being in this was more like being in a clean tack
room. Hand finished burled walnut....leather.... just beautiful inside
and out. I think top speed was about 95, but that was a bonus, you just
wanted the ride to last forever...

I am jealous. Were you in the hardtop or the opentop version?

Both look nice, but the opentop looks utterly magnificant!

I bet that Bob just thinks that they look old-fashioned.

Since I have owned MG-TD series cars I actually have some experience
in this area and with real classics. Of course they look "old
fashioned." That's the point.



Would I prefer to be a passenger in a Bently Mark VI or
the driver of an Evo? I know which I would choose.

Bob?

Choose for what? Cruising or hard driving? Hmmmm?

You really don't get it, do you?


The choice is between a Bently Mark VI and and
Evo.

You reveal your character by choosing the Evo.


Cruising.... Hard driving... looking at... standing beside
sitting in... smelling... feeling.... touching, .....
even just touching the door handle ... of a
Bently Mark VI......

You can take a man out of the bog, but you cannot
take the bog out of the man.


Regards


Donal
--

You reveal your character by choosing the Evo.



Someone who loves driving most of all. The same type of person who
prefers a Miata to a Z4 or a Lotus Elise over a BMW 335i. Or a 135i
over a Infiniti G35s.
Donal, you need many more lessons before you'll understand what a
specialty car is and the kind of person who buys one. It's about
handling refinement, feedback and balance. It's not about raw power.
That's why the poor DB9 trails most serious sports cars in every
respect important to driving. And that's why a Evo X bests the Aston
in many respects on handling finesse and why the GT-R bests in EVERY
respect. The Aston is a AMC Gremlin compared to the DB9.

And before you say anything more to wet your own bed, consider that
the GT-R is capable of 0-60 in 3.3 seconds and can handle a skidpad
WELL over a full G. It handles even better than the Evo X. No car made
today can touch it. And guess what? The build quality is higher than
the DB9.



RB

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
...
And guess what? The build quality is higher than the DB9.

Now that's funny! Bob you slay me. How you get people to take this crap
seriously enough to argue with you is a real art. You are the master.

On Sep 18, 7:03 am, jlrogers±³© wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

...

And guess what? The build quality is higher than the DB9.

Now that's funny! Bob you slay me. How you get people to take this crap
seriously enough to argue with you is a real art. You are the master.




Even though I've been in both cars and you haven't you might want to
consider the facts.

The DB9 is a partially hand built car and so is the GT-R. The DB9 is a
expensive car from a company that has nearly gone under several times
and has been unable to survive on it's own. Their products do not
represent the best of the market in any respect and NEVER have. If you
find the DB9 to be the most beautiful car and that's what matters most
to you then buy one.
Now consider the Nissan GT-R. Only 1500 were built for USA and it
represents virtually every technology available to maximize high
performance driving. It is built to a MUCH higher spec than any Lexus
or Infiniti for example. Unlike the DB9 the GT-R rides no rails
between luxury and speed. It has one goal. It's sophistication is so
far beyond the DB9 that it completely antiquates it. Even the GT-R
seats are the very best and the interior is being called the best
ever, not just for a supercar, but for ANY car. Manufacturing
tolerances for the GT-R were further refined beyond all previous
standards. The cockpit of the GT-R has instrumentation that even
displays G force and specific acceleration charts. It's not just a bit
better handling or somewhat faster than a DB9. It's HUGELY faster and
better handling. 0-60 at 3.3 seconds and the car has yet to be flash
tuned!
Amazingly, on a tight road coarse, the Evo is nearly as fast. Only the
GT-R's massive HP advantage lets it pull away in the short straights.

In the end a simple fact remains. None of you own a DB9, Evo X or GT-
R. Ozzy and I are buying Evo's and I have a deposit on a GT-R with my
dealer in New Rochelle. The rest of you are googling up fast cars and
taking laughable driving lessons. You saw a DB9 being driven by James
Bond and you wet yourselves. Then you drove home in your Pontiacs or
Jeep or old-man-sedan. So what are YOU driving? Don't bother being
embarrassed. It's really too late for that.




RB

Capt. Rob wrote:
So what are YOU driving? Don't bother being
embarrassed. It's really too late for that.

'90 Nissan Pathfinder, 300k on it, best damned snow truck I've ever had.
When you get your GT-R, bring it up here in January, we'll race
around the block. Betcha my Nissan beats yours, (well in three feet of
snow). I'll even give you a handicap, I'll tow a trailer with a couple
of cords of hickory in it!

Cheers
Marty

On Sep 18, 8:01 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

So what are YOU driving? Don't bother being

embarrassed. It's really too late for that.

'90 Nissan Pathfinder, 300k on it, best damned snow truck I've ever had.
When you get your GT-R, bring it up here in January, we'll race
around the block. Betcha my Nissan beats yours, (well in three feet of
snow). I'll even give you a handicap, I'll tow a trailer with a couple
of cords of hickory in it!



BWAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Nissan Pathfinder and in the year range for
the bad rear end. Best snow truck??? Even more laughable. On snow
that's not over the road height either my Legacy Turbo or Evo or the
GT-R are FAR better and safer in the snow. It's not even close.
Now that I see what you drive I know you're nothing but a mag driver.
Enjoy your next issue of Car & Driver, but try to remember that some
of us actually DRIVE and OWN fast cars.


RB

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Capt. Rob wrote:
So what are YOU driving? Don't bother being
embarrassed. It's really too late for that.

'90 Nissan Pathfinder, 300k on it, best damned snow truck I've ever had.
When you get your GT-R, bring it up here in January, we'll race around the
block. Betcha my Nissan beats yours, (well in three feet of snow). I'll
even give you a handicap, I'll tow a trailer with a couple of cords of
hickory in it!

Cheers
Marty


Hey Marty, I'll have to get my ole CJ-7 going. Now, that would be fun. Can
we include driving over fallen redwoods?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
...
On Sep 18, 7:03 am, jlrogers±³© wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

...

And guess what? The build quality is higher than the DB9.

Now that's funny! Bob you slay me. How you get people to take this crap
seriously enough to argue with you is a real art. You are the master.




Even though I've been in both cars and you haven't you might want to
consider the facts.

The DB9 is a partially hand built car and so is the GT-R. The DB9 is a
expensive car from a company that has nearly gone under several times
and has been unable to survive on it's own. Their products do not
represent the best of the market in any respect and NEVER have. If you
find the DB9 to be the most beautiful car and that's what matters most
to you then buy one.
Now consider the Nissan GT-R. Only 1500 were built for USA and it
represents virtually every technology available to maximize high
performance driving. It is built to a MUCH higher spec than any Lexus
or Infiniti for example. Unlike the DB9 the GT-R rides no rails
between luxury and speed. It has one goal. It's sophistication is so
far beyond the DB9 that it completely antiquates it. Even the GT-R
seats are the very best and the interior is being called the best
ever, not just for a supercar, but for ANY car. Manufacturing
tolerances for the GT-R were further refined beyond all previous
standards. The cockpit of the GT-R has instrumentation that even
displays G force and specific acceleration charts. It's not just a bit
better handling or somewhat faster than a DB9. It's HUGELY faster and
better handling. 0-60 at 3.3 seconds and the car has yet to be flash
tuned!
Amazingly, on a tight road coarse, the Evo is nearly as fast. Only the
GT-R's massive HP advantage lets it pull away in the short straights.

In the end a simple fact remains. None of you own a DB9, Evo X or GT-
R. Ozzy and I are buying Evo's and I have a deposit on a GT-R with my
dealer in New Rochelle. The rest of you are googling up fast cars and
taking laughable driving lessons. You saw a DB9 being driven by James
Bond and you wet yourselves. Then you drove home in your Pontiacs or
Jeep or old-man-sedan. So what are YOU driving? Don't bother being
embarrassed. It's really too late for that.




RB

From Consumer reports October 2008 About the EVO:
Ride: stiff, Poor, noisy, "frenetic highway behavior"
Steering: too light, oversteers, frenetic highway behavior
Interior plastics are drab and cheap looking
Seats do not adjust for height, ditto steering wheel
Pedals too close together
Driving position sucks

0 to 60: slower than the BMW, Subaru
1/4 mile: slower than the BMW and Subaru
Turing circle: greater than BMW, Subaru, VW
Avoid maneuver: slower than the BMW
MPG: less than BMW, VW
Interior fit and finish: poor
Luggage: room for 1 suitcase
Front shoulder room: 54.5 inches
front leg room: 42 inches
front head room: 6' 3"
(Bob's head will get the pounding it deserves)

Consumer Reports Rankings (Oct 2008)
BMW 135i 97
Mazdaspeed3 90
Impreza WRX STi 89
Mazda RX-8 86
VW R#@ DSG 89
Lancer EVO GSR 83

On Sep 18, 7:31*am, jlrogers±³© wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

...
On Sep 18, 7:03 am, jlrogers±³© wrote:

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

...

*And guess what? The build quality is higher than the DB9.

Now that's funny! *Bob you slay me. *How you get people to take this crap
seriously enough to argue with you is a real art. *You are the master..

Even though I've been in both cars and you haven't you might want to
consider the facts.

The DB9 is a partially hand built car and so is the GT-R. The DB9 is a
expensive car from a company that has nearly gone under several times
and has been unable to survive on it's own. Their products do not
represent the best of the market in any respect and NEVER have. If you
find the DB9 to be the most beautiful car and that's what matters most
to you then buy one.
Now consider the Nissan GT-R. Only 1500 were built for USA and it
represents virtually every technology available to maximize high
performance driving. It is built to a MUCH higher spec than any Lexus
or Infiniti for example. Unlike the DB9 the GT-R rides no rails
between luxury and speed. It has one goal. It's sophistication is so
far beyond the DB9 that it completely antiquates it. Even the GT-R
seats are the very best and the interior is being called the best
ever, not just for a supercar, but for ANY car. Manufacturing
tolerances for the GT-R were further refined beyond all previous
standards. The cockpit of the GT-R has instrumentation that even
displays G force and specific acceleration charts. It's not just a bit
better handling or somewhat faster than a DB9. It's HUGELY faster and
better handling. 0-60 at 3.3 seconds and the car has yet to be flash
tuned!
Amazingly, on a tight road coarse, the Evo is nearly as fast. Only the
GT-R's massive HP advantage lets it pull away in the short straights.

In the end a simple fact remains. None of you own a DB9, Evo X or GT-
R. Ozzy and I are buying Evo's and I have a deposit on a GT-R with my
dealer in New Rochelle. The rest of you are googling up fast cars and
taking laughable driving lessons. You saw a DB9 being driven by James
Bond and you wet yourselves. Then you drove home in your Pontiacs or
Jeep or old-man-sedan. So what are YOU driving? Don't bother being
embarrassed. It's really too late for that.

RB

From Consumer reports October 2008 About the EVO:
Ride: * stiff, Poor, noisy, "frenetic highway behavior"
Steering: too light, oversteers, frenetic highway behavior
Interior plastics *are drab and cheap looking
Seats do not adjust for height, ditto steering wheel
Pedals too close together
Driving position sucks

0 to 60: * * slower than the *BMW, Subaru
1/4 mile: * *slower than the BMW and Subaru
Turing circle: *greater than BMW, Subaru, VW
Avoid maneuver: * slower than the BMW
MPG: *less than BMW, VW
Interior fit and finish: * poor
Luggage: * *room for 1 suitcase
Front shoulder room: * *54.5 inches
front leg room: * 42 inches
front head room: * * 6' 3"
(Bob's head will get the pounding it deserves)

Consumer Reports Rankings (Oct 2008)
BMW 135i * * * * * * * * *97
Mazdaspeed3 * * * * * * 90
Impreza WRX STi * * 89
Mazda RX-8 * * * * * * * 86
VW R#@ DSG * * * * * 89
Lancer EVO GSR * * * *83



Yup! The only negative comments in the industry about the Evo came
from Consumer Reports. They also got the worst performance out of ALL
of the cars they tested. They also think Bose makes great speakers.
If you'd like some insight into how the Evo stacks up against the STI,
watch this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZPB4aSyq40



RB