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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... Unfortunately the AM has no AWD, so it's useless in any area that gets snow. Do you really need AWD in areas that get snow? We get 150-250 inches per year and front wheel drive or LSD (limited slip differentials) has worked great for the last 25 years. Carmel gets 40 inches a year, a "blizzard" there is 22 inches. Call in the Unimogs! Do you consider that serious snow? Ever have to use 4 wheel chains and caterpillar weights because the truck couldn't push through snow deeper than the windows? You've lived there about a year, the only time in your life outside of NYC so now you're an expert. The thing useless in snow is your driving ability and experience. |
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Do you really need AWD in areas that get snow? We get 150-250 inches per year and front wheel drive or LSD (limited slip differentials) has worked great for the last 25 years. Carmel gets 40 inches a year, a "blizzard" there is 22 inches. Call in the Unimogs! It's so funny when someone speaks out...and then sounds even dumberer than poor Donal about cars! So let's see...this poor clown thinks AWD is all about snow accumulation! Oh boy! Probably if the poor toad drove the 2.4 mile road up into Kent Cliffs where my house is located he'd know that a easy dusting stops most FWD cars. Everyone here has AWD without exception because of the hilly terrain. Now...should I teach him about AWD in a performance car and what advantages it offers? Naaahhh!!! R&T tests.....Aston Martin Skidpad DB9 = .93 And the Evo X pulled a FULL G!!!!! "Aston Martin: When fine leather means more than handling." R. |
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On 8 Sep, 01:22, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Please let up know when you get the AM. R. Oh Bob....... You know that I wouldn't do that. Like you, I wouldn't ever feel the need to demonstrate my financial superiority on the Internet. However, I will be doing an advanced driving course in a DB9 towards the end of the month. Would you like me to give a report? Or, if you are impatient, I can give you a report of a test drive tomorrow night!! Do you think that I should test drive an Evo instead? Two litre against 6 Litre? 4 cylinders against 12? Plastic against Leather? When Thomas is a bit older, he will be very embarrassed. Regards Donal -- |
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On 7 Sep, 17:50, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Donal, you just go on and on proving that you're into bloated blvd. cruisers and that's fine with me! It must be really killing you that I will own such a car purely as a toy. Noisy? BWAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Real power actually sounds nice. Cheap power sounds like a modern Japanese motorbike. Regards Donal -- |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... Do you really need AWD in areas that get snow? We get 150-250 inches per year and front wheel drive or LSD (limited slip differentials) has worked great for the last 25 years. Carmel gets 40 inches a year, a "blizzard" there is 22 inches. Call in the Unimogs! It's so funny when someone speaks out...and then sounds even dumberer than poor Donal about cars! So let's see...this poor clown thinks AWD is all about snow accumulation! Oh boy! Probably if the poor toad drove the 2.4 mile road up into Kent Cliffs where my house is located he'd know that a easy dusting stops most FWD cars. Everyone here has AWD without exception because of the hilly terrain. Does a KIA Sedona have AWD? Let me know when you get to mountainous terrain. Now...should I teach him about AWD in a performance car and what advantages it offers? 14" ground clearance? Granny low and differential locks? 8' snowplow? |
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redbard wrote:
Everyone here has AWD without exception because of the hilly terrain. Does a KIA Sedona have AWD? Let me know when you get to mountainous terrain. Now...should I teach him about AWD in a performance car and what advantages it offers? 14" ground clearance? Granny low and differential locks? 8' snowplow? I'm sure the EVO and Astin are very nice cars. I couldn't drive either to my front door, their bottoms wouldn't survive the road, never mind my driveway. Cheers Marty |
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On Sep 8, 5:42 pm, wrote:
On 8 Sep, 01:22, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Please let up know when you get the AM. R. Oh Bob....... You know that I wouldn't do that. Like you, I wouldn't ever feel the need to demonstrate my financial superiority on the Internet. However, I will be doing an advanced driving course in a DB9 towards the end of the month. BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Do you think that I should test drive an Evo instead? No. The Evo's AYC and S-AWD systems are very advanced driving tools. In fact AYC in a lesser form in only found on one other car which costs quite a bit more than any AM. You're better off keeping it simple with a basic RWD and anything with power will do. Two litre against 6 Litre? 4 cylinders against 12? And yet my Evo manages to hit 60 MPH first and beat the AM in track times. Odd. Plastic against Leather? You do realize that leather is actually a no-no for a proper driving seat, right? In fact the leather seats in the Evo MR ave suede bottoms for just that reason, but even then tuners will swap out for proper cloth. Donal, every time you post you slide further and further! When Thomas is a bit older, he will be very embarrassed. He doesn't even know you! R |
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On Sep 8, 5:50 pm, wrote:
On 7 Sep, 17:50, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Donal, you just go on and on proving that you're into bloated blvd. cruisers and that's fine with me! It must be really killing you that I will own such a car purely as a toy. Noisy? BWAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Yup...the 4 is more fun and uses less gas! Real power actually sounds nice. Cheap power sounds like a modern Japanese motorbike. Yeah, too bad those Japanese bikes utterly rule the world of performance biking, but they're not exactly cheap either. Donal, everything you've said smacks of the 80's. That was when big engines and Harley/Ducati seemed wonderful. Then the Nissan 300 Twin Turbo came out....and everything changed in a day. Then Honda built the NSX and got it to out-handle everything and do it with skinny tires. Hey, Donal....the 80's are calling! R. |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
On Sep 8, 5:42 pm, wrote: On 8 Sep, 01:22, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Please let up know when you get the AM. R. Oh Bob....... You know that I wouldn't do that. Like you, I wouldn't ever feel the need to demonstrate my financial superiority on the Internet. However, I will be doing an advanced driving course in a DB9 towards the end of the month. BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Do you think that I should test drive an Evo instead? No. The Evo's AYC and S-AWD systems are very advanced driving tools. In fact AYC in a lesser form in only found on one other car which costs quite a bit more than any AM. You're better off keeping it simple with a basic RWD and anything with power will do. You trully don't get it do you? Two litre against 6 Litre? 4 cylinders against 12? And yet my Evo manages to hit 60 MPH first and beat the AM in track times. Odd. Did you hear about Shu in the taxi this summer? Plastic against Leather? You do realize that leather is actually a no-no for a proper driving seat, right? In fact the leather seats in the Evo MR ave suede bottoms for just that reason, Suede isn't leather? but even then tuners will swap out for proper cloth. Donal, every time you post you slide further and further! When Thomas is a bit older, he will be very embarrassed. Cheers Marty |
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On Sep 8, 9:25 pm, "redbard" wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... Do you really need AWD in areas that get snow? We get 150-250 inches per year and front wheel drive or LSD (limited slip differentials) has worked great for the last 25 years. Carmel gets 40 inches a year, a "blizzard" there is 22 inches. Call in the Unimogs! It's so funny when someone speaks out...and then sounds even dumberer than poor Donal about cars! So let's see...this poor clown thinks AWD is all about snow accumulation! Oh boy! Probably if the poor toad drove the 2.4 mile road up into Kent Cliffs where my house is located he'd know that a easy dusting stops most FWD cars. Everyone here has AWD without exception because of the hilly terrain. Does a KIA Sedona have AWD? Let me know when you get to mountainous terrain. Now...should I teach him about AWD in a performance car and what advantages it offers? 14" ground clearance? Granny low and differential locks? 8' snowplow? I don't have a Kia Sedona anymore. We traded it for a SUV. With 50K miles on it the Sedona was the only trouble free car I owned. I'm picking up an Outlander XLS for Suzanne, so we'll see how it compares. R. |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
On Sep 8, 5:50 pm, wrote: On 7 Sep, 17:50, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Donal, you just go on and on proving that you're into bloated blvd. cruisers and that's fine with me! It must be really killing you that I will own such a car purely as a toy. Noisy? BWAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Yup...the 4 is more fun and uses less gas! Real power actually sounds nice. Cheap power sounds like a modern Japanese motorbike. Yeah, too bad those Japanese bikes utterly rule the world of performance biking, Bob, one word, .... Ducati........ Cheers Marty |
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On Sep 8, 10:05 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote: On Sep 8, 5:50 pm, wrote: On 7 Sep, 17:50, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Donal, you just go on and on proving that you're into bloated blvd. cruisers and that's fine with me! It must be really killing you that I will own such a car purely as a toy. Noisy? BWAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Yup...the 4 is more fun and uses less gas! Real power actually sounds nice. Cheap power sounds like a modern Japanese motorbike. Yeah, too bad those Japanese bikes utterly rule the world of performance biking, Bob, one word, .... Ducati........ Cheers Marty I dig the Duacti's, Marty. In fact, because I love cars, I pretty much can appreciate most cars. Guys like Donal have no clue. They read magazines and dream about silly cars like the AM. He's so pathetic he thinks there's a pecking order for cars that will elevate his status. He needs to drive a MazdaSpeed3 and then his AM and tell me which one is more fun on a twisty road. Of course the Evo X is more fun than either. BTW, the leather seats in the Evo have suede finished bottoms to hold the driver in place during hard cornering. They are very nicely done. The lavish seats in the AM are...well....lavish. They don't hold a driver in place very well. Donal is a typical consumer dreaming of exotic cars and missing the boat yet again. Soon enough I'll be driving a GT-R. It's a supercar that trounces the AM in every area, including fit & finish. It's about the handling and the way a car feels blasting out of a turn, not who's car gets the spot in front of the Casino. Someday James Donal Bond may learn that, but it won't happen during any "advanced driving course" of course! Oh my! R. |
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On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:50:05 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob"
wrote: On Sep 8, 10:05 pm, Marty wrote: Capt. Rob wrote: On Sep 8, 5:50 pm, wrote: On 7 Sep, 17:50, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Donal, you just go on and on proving that you're into bloated blvd. cruisers and that's fine with me! It must be really killing you that I will own such a car purely as a toy. Noisy? BWAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Yup...the 4 is more fun and uses less gas! Real power actually sounds nice. Cheap power sounds like a modern Japanese motorbike. Yeah, too bad those Japanese bikes utterly rule the world of performance biking, Bob, one word, .... Ducati........ Cheers Marty I dig the Duacti's, Marty. In fact, because I love cars, I pretty much can appreciate most cars. Um... Duacti doesn't make cars, Rob. Neither does Ducati. |
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On Sep 9, 6:28 am, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:50:05 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob" wrote: On Sep 8, 10:05 pm, Marty wrote: Capt. Rob wrote: On Sep 8, 5:50 pm, wrote: On 7 Sep, 17:50, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Donal, you just go on and on proving that you're into bloated blvd. cruisers and that's fine with me! It must be really killing you that I will own such a car purely as a toy. Noisy? BWAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Yup...the 4 is more fun and uses less gas! Real power actually sounds nice. Cheap power sounds like a modern Japanese motorbike. Yeah, too bad those Japanese bikes utterly rule the world of performance biking, Bob, one word, .... Ducati........ Cheers Marty I dig the Duacti's, Marty. In fact, because I love cars, I pretty much can appreciate most cars. Um... Duacti doesn't make cars, Rob. Neither does Ducati. Um....who said they did? I was referring to bikes and how Japanese models have eclipsed just about everything. Do let us know how the driving class goes. R. |
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On Sep 9, 4:18*am, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 04:15:33 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob" wrote: On Sep 9, 6:28 am, wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:50:05 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob" wrote: On Sep 8, 10:05 pm, Marty wrote: Capt. Rob wrote: On Sep 8, 5:50 pm, wrote: On 7 Sep, 17:50, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Donal, you just go on and on proving that you're into bloated blvd. cruisers and that's fine with me! It must be really killing you that I will own such a car purely as a toy. Noisy? BWAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Yup...the 4 is more fun and uses less gas! Real power actually sounds nice. *Cheap power sounds like a modern Japanese motorbike. Yeah, too bad those Japanese bikes utterly rule the world of performance biking, Bob, one word, *.... Ducati........ Cheers Marty I dig the Duacti's, Marty. In fact, because I love cars, I pretty much can appreciate most cars. Um... Duacti doesn't make cars, Rob. Neither does Ducati. Um....who said they did? I was referring to bikes and how Japanese models have eclipsed just about everything. Do let us know how the driving class goes. Um... "I dig the Duacti's, Marty. In fact, because I love cars, I pretty much can appreciate most cars."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here's what I wrote.... Yeah, too bad those Japanese bikes utterly rule the world of performance biking, but they're not exactly cheap either. Donal, everything you've said smacks of the 80's. That was when big engines and Harley/Ducati seemed wonderful. Then the Nissan 300 Twin Turbo came out....and everything changed in a day. So we can assume that YOU think I meant that Ducati and Harley were eclisped by the Twin Turbo!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!! R |
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On Sep 9, 5:52*am, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:18:14 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob" wrote: On Sep 9, 4:18*am, wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 04:15:33 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob" wrote: On Sep 9, 6:28 am, wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:50:05 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob" wrote: On Sep 8, 10:05 pm, Marty wrote: Capt. Rob wrote: On Sep 8, 5:50 pm, wrote: On 7 Sep, 17:50, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Donal, you just go on and on proving that you're into bloated blvd. cruisers and that's fine with me! It must be really killing you that I will own such a car purely as a toy. Noisy? BWAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Yup...the 4 is more fun and uses less gas! Real power actually sounds nice. *Cheap power sounds like a modern Japanese motorbike. Yeah, too bad those Japanese bikes utterly rule the world of performance biking, Bob, one word, *.... Ducati........ Cheers Marty I dig the Duacti's, Marty. In fact, because I love cars, I pretty much can appreciate most cars. Um... Duacti doesn't make cars, Rob. Neither does Ducati. Um....who said they did? I was referring to bikes and how Japanese models have eclipsed just about everything. Do let us know how the driving class goes. Um... "I dig the Duacti's, Marty. In fact, because I love cars, I pretty much can appreciate most cars."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here's what I wrote.... "I dig the Duacti's, Marty. In fact, because I love cars, I pretty much can appreciate most cars." There you go again!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Donal thinks Harley Davidson's marketshare was impacted by the Nissan Twin Turbo of the early nineties. He thinks a DB9 handles like a 911 AWD or Evo X. He's taking driving lessons IN a DB9! And he has no sailboat. I doubt he has a world class handling car either, but he's afraid to say. RB |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... On Sep 8, 9:25 pm, "redbard" wrote: "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... Do you really need AWD in areas that get snow? We get 150-250 inches per year and front wheel drive or LSD (limited slip differentials) has worked great for the last 25 years. Carmel gets 40 inches a year, a "blizzard" there is 22 inches. Call in the Unimogs! It's so funny when someone speaks out...and then sounds even dumberer than poor Donal about cars! So let's see...this poor clown thinks AWD is all about snow accumulation! Oh boy! Probably if the poor toad drove the 2.4 mile road up into Kent Cliffs where my house is located he'd know that a easy dusting stops most FWD cars. Everyone here has AWD without exception because of the hilly terrain. Does a KIA Sedona have AWD? Let me know when you get to mountainous terrain. Now...should I teach him about AWD in a performance car and what advantages it offers? 14" ground clearance? Granny low and differential locks? 8' snowplow? I don't have a Kia Sedona anymore. We traded it for a SUV. With 50K miles on it the Sedona was the only trouble free car I owned. I'm picking up an Outlander XLS for Suzanne, so we'll see how it compares. R. Stunning resale value! And you said you were going to keep it for years! At least you made lemonade with the lemons! Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! |
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wrote in message ... Harley occupies a particular niche that is rarely impacted in any meaningful way by other brands. The exception was the revolution caused when Honda entered the US market in the early 1960's and increased overall motorcycle ownership exponentially. Other than that, people who want a Harley, usually don't want anything else. It has nothing to do with the relative merits of different brands. You got that right. Harley sells image to mostly middle aged people who need one. |
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On Sep 9, 6:47*am, "redbard" wrote:
wrote in message ... Harley occupies a particular niche that is rarely impacted in any meaningful way by other brands. The exception was the revolution caused when Honda entered the US market in the early 1960's and increased overall motorcycle ownership exponentially. Other than that, people who want a Harley, usually don't want anything else. It has nothing to do with the relative merits of different brands. You got that right. Harley sells image to mostly middle aged people who need one. Actually, you're both clueless. By the mid 90's HD was fighting for it's life due to serious quality control issues. They had lost a huge share of the market and survived MAINLY due to their parts business. They fixed their problems and are strong again, but they can't compete with other builds for quality at all. Cosmetics are gorgeous, performance is just short of awful. RB |
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On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:59:12 -0700, Capt. Rob wrote:
On Sep 8, 5:50 pm, wrote: Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Yup...the 4 is more fun and uses less gas! The 4 is a cheap engine in a cheap car that has been designed to exploit the "sub-prime" market. It cannot use much gas because a typical Evo driver is probably quite cost conscious. Mitsubishi Almost admit this in a press release:- "Sales in the United States for October through December were down 3,000 units year-on-year, impacted by increased market competition stemming from growing uncertainty about the future of the United States economy due to the sub-prime loan problem." Full text he- http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-7471472/Mitsubishi-Motors-Announces-3Q-FY2007.html Regards Donal -- Real power actually sounds nice. Cheap power sounds like a modern Japanese motorbike. Yeah, too bad those Japanese bikes utterly rule the world of performance biking, but they're not exactly cheap either. Donal, everything you've said smacks of the 80's. That was when big engines and Harley/Ducati seemed wonderful. Then the Nissan 300 Twin Turbo came out....and everything changed in a day. Then Honda built the NSX and got it to out-handle everything and do it with skinny tires. Hey, Donal....the 80's are calling! R. |
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On Sep 9, 6:42*am, "redbard" wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... On Sep 8, 9:25 pm, "redbard" wrote: "Capt. Rob" wrote in message .... Do you really need AWD in areas that get snow? We get 150-250 inches per year and front wheel drive or LSD (limited slip differentials) has worked great for the last 25 years. Carmel gets 40 inches a year, a "blizzard" there is 22 inches. *Call in the Unimogs! It's so funny when someone speaks out...and then sounds even dumberer than poor Donal about cars! So let's see...this poor clown thinks AWD is all about snow accumulation! Oh boy! Probably if the poor toad drove the 2.4 mile road up into Kent Cliffs where my house is located he'd know that a easy dusting stops most FWD cars. Everyone here has AWD without exception because of the hilly terrain. Does a KIA Sedona have AWD? Let me know when you get to mountainous terrain. Now...should I teach him about AWD in a performance car and what advantages it offers? 14" ground clearance? Granny low and differential locks? 8' snowplow? I don't have a Kia Sedona anymore. We traded it for a SUV. With 50K miles on it the Sedona was the only trouble free car I owned. I'm picking up an Outlander XLS for Suzanne, so we'll see how it compares. R. Stunning resale value! And you said you were going to keep it for years! At least you made lemonade with the lemons! Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You're right, and as I explained to the late Bob Crantz, the Sedona was fantastic. When sold we got 17,500.00 for it and never had to pay a dime except for gas. Even the oil was paid by Kia. So we lost 10K after 54K miles or so. Now the same year Sienna with the same options would have brought us about 3K more on resale, but it would have cost 4.5K more to buy. So we saved over the Sienna and got a better van with the best safety record available. Lemonade indeed, sir. RB |
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Stunning resale value! And you said you were going to keep it for
years! Never said any such thing. I rarely keep a car more than two or three years. I've owned 4 new cars in 4 years and am buying two more in a week. I have a contract on a GT-R as well. Why does this worry you so? RB |
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On Sep 9, 8:20*am, Donal wrote:
On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:59:12 -0700, Capt. Rob wrote: On Sep 8, 5:50 pm, wrote: Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Yup...the 4 is more fun and uses less gas! *The 4 is a cheap engine in a cheap car that has been designed to exploit the "sub-prime" market. *It cannot use much gas because a typical Evo driver is probably quite cost conscious. Okay, so let's get this straight. The Evo X buyer is getting essentially a bare bones track car that is not very good for daily driving. This makes it much more of a toy compared to other cars, such as a BMW 335xi...as an example. Even a 135 is a FAR better DD than the Evo, but the Evo is still one of the hottest sports cars selling. The Evo buyer can buy the nice BMW, but instead shells out 40K more or less (before tuning and upgrades). This is a cheap car? It forces you to buy at least one other car as a daily driver. My second car cost 32K. My 3rd car costs 22K. My buddy drives a nice Lexus that cost what a loaded Evo costs. He thinks the Evo is rediculously expensive. He's right. You're paying for a lot of engine, suspension and transmission, but the car around it all is a painted cage. That's the philosophy behind the Evo, just like the AM has it's own which is NOT designed to compete with a 911 or Evo X. Donal, you know NOTHING about cars. It's really quite amazing. RB |
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And RB is a vertible conduit of Internet misinformation, marchitecture (sic) , and advertising hype. He knows more that isn't true than anyone but maybe Al Gore. |
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On 9 Sep, 19:51, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
On Sep 9, 8:20 am, Donal wrote: On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:59:12 -0700, Capt. Rob wrote: On Sep 8, 5:50 pm, wrote: Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Yup...the 4 is more fun and uses less gas! The 4 is a cheap engine in a cheap car that has been designed to exploit the "sub-prime" market. It cannot use much gas because a typical Evo driver is probably quite cost conscious. Okay, so let's get this straight. The Evo X buyer is getting essentially a bare bones track car that is not very good for daily driving. This makes it much more of a toy compared to other cars, such as a BMW 335xi...as an example. Agreed. Even a 135 is a FAR better DD than the Evo, but the Evo is still one of the hottest sports cars selling. The Evo buyer can buy the nice BMW, but instead shells out 40K more or less (before tuning and upgrades). This is a cheap car? What other car with the same performance costs so little? That is why I suggest that it is aimed at the sub-prime market. Sub-prime products are for people who want something and they are not willing to work for it. You would like to own a "supercar", but you cannot afford a real one. So, you read about the blistering performance and the cheap price, and you think that you can afford to join the elite. It forces you to buy at least one other car as a daily driver. My second car cost 32K. My 3rd car costs 22K. Good grief!! How many washing machines and old matresses are stacked in your front garden? Your three cars added together are less than half the cost of a second-hand DB9. When I referred to you as a sub-prime customer, I didn't realise just how"sub-prime". Bear in mind that a DB9 is always a "second" car. It doesn't have back seats to talk of, the boot (trunk) is tiny. It is a toy. My buddy drives a nice Lexus that cost what a loaded Evo costs. He thinks the Evo is rediculously expensive. He's right. You're paying for a lot of engine, suspension and transmission, Nonsense! You are paying for an image. As with everything else, you get what you pay for. If you sell your second and third cars, you might be able to afford a nice 2-3 year old Lexus GS300. This car's performance won't be affected by the weight of the driver as much as the Evo's, and owners of real performance cars won't look down their noses at you. but the car around it all is a painted cage. That's the philosophy behind the Evo, You mean it's cheap and fast?? just like the AM has it's own which is NOT designed to compete with a 911 or Evo X. Donal, you know NOTHING about cars. It's really quite amazing. You are right. The AM is definitely not designed to compete with the 911. In the same way, the 911 is not designed to compete with the Evo. To get from a DB9 to an Evo you have to subtract 8 cylinders, 4 litres, a Linn sound system, a beautiful body, hand stitched leather upholstery(from 5 Austrian cows), satellite tracking technology ... and so much more. People run their hands across the bodywork of an AM for the sensual pleasure. If you did this on an Evo you might cut yourself. Regards Donal -- |
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What other car with the same performance costs so little?
That is why I suggest that it is aimed at the sub-prime market. Sub-prime products are for people who want something and they are not willing to work for it. You would like to own a "supercar", but you cannot afford a real one. So, you read about the blistering performance and the cheap price, and you think that you can afford to join the elite. Donal, I'll take a semi'serious moment to perhaps educate you.... There are a TON of great and fun performance cars for not a ton of money. And some do things better or differently than the Evo or Porsche Cayman or even the AM. Dodge Cobalt SS.....freakisly fast car that is making the rounds on various racing circuits. A lot of speed and handling for 22K. Subaru WRX and STI....Both AWD and both fast and fun stock or tuned. Starting at 25K. Lotus Elise....A miracle of go-cart handling. This was on my list along with the even better Exige, but it's just too impractical. Starting at 47K. BMW 135i....twin turbo and just a blast. It's practically a mini M3. If I could live with RWD and the small cabin I'd buy one. Starting at 35K. BMW 335xi....a nearly perfect blend of speed, handling and comfort and starting at a low 41K. Pontiac G8...for those who understand the heritage and Holden connection, this is a muscle car many will love and 31K to start. As there are many more from Audi, VW, Mazda, Mitsu and so on. ALL have their specific strengths and all are reasonable to own. Some, like the Evo or Elise, are specialty cars. They won't make the average driver happy unless they understand what the car is for. Others, such as the 335xi, are more rounded and hold more general appeal. The Evo is expensive. A loaded MR costs a whopping 44K with the custom leather. And it's still a rather plain shell and interior. You're paying for a unique technology only available on ONE other car on the market. Is an Evo right for you, Donal? Probably not if you're taking driving lessons in a heavy RWD AM. But if you can make an AWD car like the Evo X drift easily, the car is a true enthusiasts machine. It's not quite on the level of a GT-R, but for sheer and plain driving on a twisty mountain road, it tops the AM. Now, if I have to drive to Ohio, or even PA I'll take that AM in a heartbeat. It's a far more rounded and comfortable car for long trips...which is NOT what the Evo was built for. RB |
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On 10 Sep, 01:09, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
What other car with the same performance costs so little? That is why I suggest that it is aimed at the sub-prime market. Sub-prime products are for people who want something and they are not willing to work for it. You would like to own a "supercar", but you cannot afford a real one. So, you read about the blistering performance and the cheap price, and you think that you can afford to join the elite. Donal, I'll take a semi'serious moment to perhaps educate you.... There are a TON of great and fun performance cars for not a ton of money. And some do things better or differently than the Evo or Porsche Cayman or even the AM. Dodge Cobalt SS.....freakisly fast car that is making the rounds on various racing circuits. A lot of speed and handling for 22K. Subaru WRX and STI....Both AWD and both fast and fun stock or tuned. Starting at 25K. Lotus Elise....A miracle of go-cart handling. This was on my list along with the even better Exige, but it's just too impractical. Starting at 47K. BMW 135i....twin turbo and just a blast. It's practically a mini M3. If I could live with RWD and the small cabin I'd buy one. Starting at 35K. BMW 335xi....a nearly perfect blend of speed, handling and comfort and starting at a low 41K. Pontiac G8...for those who understand the heritage and Holden connection, this is a muscle car many will love and 31K to start. As there are many more from Audi, VW, Mazda, Mitsu and so on. ALL have their specific strengths and all are reasonable to own. Some, like the Evo or Elise, are specialty cars. They won't make the average driver happy unless they understand what the car is for. Others, such as the 335xi, are more rounded and hold more general appeal. The Evo is expensive. A loaded MR costs a whopping 44K with the custom leather. And it's still a rather plain shell and interior. You're paying for a unique technology only available on ONE other car on the market. Is an Evo right for you, Donal? Probably not if you're taking driving lessons in a heavy RWD AM. But if you can make an AWD car like the Evo X drift easily, the car is a true enthusiasts machine. It's not quite on the level of a GT-R, but for sheer and plain driving on a twisty mountain road, it tops the AM. Now, if I have to drive to Ohio, or even PA I'll take that AM in a heartbeat. It's a far more rounded and comfortable car for long trips...which is NOT what the Evo was built for. RB Bugger me!! For the first time in 10 years I am feeling sorry for you. Where's the catch? I'll be dissappointed if this means that you dissappear from ASA for another 6 months. We seem to be just getting going again. Regards Donal -- Regards Donal -- |
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Your three cars added together are less than half the cost of a second-hand DB9. � Yep, and my classic movie poster collection is insured at 390K as of 2008. I like my posters, especially the original War of the Worlds poster I just bought. I spend my money my way, but please let us know what cars you drive and when you're getting a AM! At least I'm getting an Evo and GT-R. Where are your cars??? HMMMMM? Bear in mind that a DB9 is always a "second" car. It doesn't have back seats to talk of, the boot (trunk) is tiny. It is a toy. Nonsense. My friend, who's also an oscar winning actress, drives a AM. Her only other car is a Miata. So she has TWO toys! Nonsense! �You are paying for an image. � As with everything else, you get what you pay for. IMAGE??? Do you even know what a tuners car is? Donal, you're just beyond help. If you sell your second and third cars, �you might be able to afford a nice 2-3 year old Lexus GS300. �This car's performance won't be affected by the weight of the driver as much as the Evo's, �and owners of real performance cars won't look down their noses at you. At least I owned a Lexus twice. Where's your AM or ANY car, Donal? Hmmmmm? You mean it's cheap and fast?? If you find the car and mods cheap, then by all means call it cheap. A typical Evo after tune will cost about 50K when done. Where are your 50K toys? Last I heard you were using a cheap SCT scope and had no nice car and no sailboat! Hmmmmm? You are right. �The AM is definitely not designed to compete with the 911. �In the same way, �the 911 is not designed to compete with the Evo. Sigh. Donal, go take some driving lessons. The Evo WAS designed to compete with the 911 Turbo and does so quite well. The AM is a luxo coupe, not a hardcore sports car. You just won't ever get it. To get from a DB9 to an Evo you have to subtract 8 cylinders, 4 litres, a Linn sound system, a beautiful body, hand stitched leather upholstery(from 5 Austrian cows), satellite tracking technology ... and so much more. To get from an Evo X to a DB9 you have to subtract a better Nav system, better Rockford Fosgate sound system, lose the 1.4 skidpad rating and superior handling, give up AWD and ability to handle snow and rain and toss out the AYC system which is winning race after race and only found on the Bugati! But DO enjoy that leather! People run their hands across the bodywork of an AM for the sensual pleasure. Nah, I prefer to get pleasure from driving. I have a pretty wife for the other stuff, Donal..and I bet you won't ever have a performance or specialty car. But I'd be happy to be proven wrong on that last comment, so go right ahead! R. |
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wrote in message ... People run their hands across the bodywork of an AM for the sensual pleasure. If you did this on an Evo you might cut yourself. Now that's funny! (Because it is so true!) |
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On Sep 9, 9:31 pm, jlrogers±³© wrote:
wrote in message ... People run their hands across the bodywork of an AM for the sensual pleasure. If you did this on an Evo you might cut yourself. It's so much fun to be so right about all of this. Drag coefficient for the DB9 = a fairly awful 0.35 Drag coefficient for the Evo X = 0.31 (same as a M3) Drag coefficent for the Nissan GT-R = 0.27 Aston Martin makes pretty cars, but Mitsubishi and Nissan have learned how to make cars that can slip the wind. The DB9 is the same as a 2001 Honda Civic. Yeah...run your hands over THAT! BWAHAAAHAHAAAHHAHA!!!! Lordy...what a total whooping of all of you and I didn't even need Ozzy's help. RB |
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On 10 Sep, 05:09, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Quick review for Donal.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmIbJA3RW_Y R. Listen to the sound of a real car:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmHqjCa-GAk Compare and contrast with an Evo!! Are you really going to buy the Evo? BTW I had a test drive in a DB9 yesterday. It was lovely. I stroked the rear, and it felt beautiful. What number plate do you think that I should have? BO55 DON seems a bit too expensive. What do you think about "V12 DON"? D10NAL is also available, but it doesn't seen quite right. Regards Donal -- |
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On Sep 10, 7:14 pm, wrote:
On 10 Sep, 05:09, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Quick review for Donal.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmIbJA3RW_Y R. Listen to the sound of a real car:-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmHqjCa-GAk Compare and contrast with an Evo!! Are you really going to buy the Evo? BTW I had a test drive in a DB9 yesterday. It was lovely. I stroked the rear, and it felt beautiful. What number plate do you think that I should have? BO55 DON seems a bit too expensive. What do you think about "V12 DON"? D10NAL is also available, but it doesn't seen quite right. Regards Donal -- Now you're being silly and I don't think you're dumb enough to buy a DB9, but I've over-estimated you before. Yep, I'm buying a Evo X GSR with custom leather, Nav, Rockford Fosgate and all the toys. ICS is doing my mods after I run 2K on her. Then she'll be at 372 WHP. Even in stock trim the Evo out-handles the AM, but you have some mythical belief in the DB9, which is just what the ad departments intended. It's actually a wonderful car, but a balls-out driver's car it is not. Cars that are....the Lotus Exige, Viper, 911 AWD Turbo, BMW M3, previous generation STI, current Evo X, Nissan GT-R, Audi R8 and several others....all are there regardless of price. They put driving dynamics first and leather and comfort last. The AM is big and powerful, but it lacks many of the wonderful technologies that have driven the art of automotive engineering to new heights. The AM can't compete, so it doesn't even try. It exists as a throwback, really not much different than a Mazda Miata in driving dynamics. So, driving down my twisty road, into a deep negative bank, the Evo X will drift a bit, then the active yaw control system will seamlessly divert power. Coming out of the turn all four wheels will blast the Evo into an evenly weighted stance. As you learn to trust the AYC and the amazing grip you can make such maneuvers faster still. In the DB9 you'd have less grip. With only RWD, the rear end would start to slide. Stay calm and ease off on the power and you MIGHT stay on the road, but there's only so much give in a simple suspension. Coming out of the turn you weight for the chassis to recompose before laying down heavy power. The DB9's torque advantage is high and she takes off. But the Evo is already five turns ahead. Now it starts to drizzle slightly. The Evo, with it's S-AWD system is barely effected. The AM is now crippled. You can't lay down any serious power without swinging out the rear in any turn. Buh bye, Aston Martin. Enjoy those engine sounds and your Casino parking spot. RB |
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And just where are you going to drive that pig? A demolition derby? Or
will you roar around your local windy roads, residential neighborhoods, and school zones, endangering the lives of your neighbors? What a putz. "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... On Sep 10, 7:14 pm, wrote: On 10 Sep, 05:09, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Quick review for Donal.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmIbJA3RW_Y R. Listen to the sound of a real car:-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmHqjCa-GAk Compare and contrast with an Evo!! Are you really going to buy the Evo? BTW I had a test drive in a DB9 yesterday. It was lovely. I stroked the rear, and it felt beautiful. What number plate do you think that I should have? BO55 DON seems a bit too expensive. What do you think about "V12 DON"? D10NAL is also available, but it doesn't seen quite right. Regards Donal -- Now you're being silly and I don't think you're dumb enough to buy a DB9, but I've over-estimated you before. Yep, I'm buying a Evo X GSR with custom leather, Nav, Rockford Fosgate and all the toys. ICS is doing my mods after I run 2K on her. Then she'll be at 372 WHP. Even in stock trim the Evo out-handles the AM, but you have some mythical belief in the DB9, which is just what the ad departments intended. It's actually a wonderful car, but a balls-out driver's car it is not. Cars that are....the Lotus Exige, Viper, 911 AWD Turbo, BMW M3, previous generation STI, current Evo X, Nissan GT-R, Audi R8 and several others....all are there regardless of price. They put driving dynamics first and leather and comfort last. The AM is big and powerful, but it lacks many of the wonderful technologies that have driven the art of automotive engineering to new heights. The AM can't compete, so it doesn't even try. It exists as a throwback, really not much different than a Mazda Miata in driving dynamics. So, driving down my twisty road, into a deep negative bank, the Evo X will drift a bit, then the active yaw control system will seamlessly divert power. Coming out of the turn all four wheels will blast the Evo into an evenly weighted stance. As you learn to trust the AYC and the amazing grip you can make such maneuvers faster still. In the DB9 you'd have less grip. With only RWD, the rear end would start to slide. Stay calm and ease off on the power and you MIGHT stay on the road, but there's only so much give in a simple suspension. Coming out of the turn you weight for the chassis to recompose before laying down heavy power. The DB9's torque advantage is high and she takes off. But the Evo is already five turns ahead. Now it starts to drizzle slightly. The Evo, with it's S-AWD system is barely effected. The AM is now crippled. You can't lay down any serious power without swinging out the rear in any turn. Buh bye, Aston Martin. Enjoy those engine sounds and your Casino parking spot. RB |
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On Sep 11, 4:48 am, jlrogers±³© wrote:
And just where are you going to drive that pig? A demolition derby? Or will you roar around your local windy roads, residential neighborhoods, and school zones, endangering the lives of your neighbors? Nope. I live upstate and quite close are a series of roads that are usually empty and with no homes for miles. That said a good handling car is fun to drive well within legal limits as well. Only a pinhead like yourself automatically assumes a sports car equals 3 digit speeds on a back-road. There are also various track days where a driver can try legal 1/4 runs and such. Grow up. RB |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... On Sep 11, 4:48 am, jlrogers±³© wrote: And just where are you going to drive that pig? A demolition derby? Or will you roar around your local windy roads, residential neighborhoods, and school zones, endangering the lives of your neighbors? Nope. I live upstate and quite close are a series of roads that are usually empty and with no homes for miles. That said a good handling car is fun to drive well within legal limits as well. Only a pinhead like yourself automatically assumes a sports car equals 3 digit speeds on a back-road. There are also various track days where a driver can try legal 1/4 runs and such. Grow up. Grow up? I'm not the one wasting my resources to feed my ego, though I admit to having spent a great deal of money on sports cars when I was young and immature. Eat, drink, and be merry... Who knows for whom the bell tolls... |
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On Sep 10, 7:14*pm, wrote:
On 10 Sep, 05:09, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Quick review for Donal.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmIbJA3RW_Y Dang, this is "performance driving"? I watched about half of the video, a 4-door econobox doing fairly impressive power slides and then switching to a view of the driver... to be sure, he was busy talking for the camera but he was also yanking the steering wheel like 7-year- old kid. Is that what this "Active Yaw Control" is for, so that people don't have to learn to actually steer the car? Given his job & position, I bet he knows better but it's still a very poor show. I've been out of the sports car game for a really long time but if this is what it's sunk to, I'm certainly not interested in getting back in. .. Listen to the sound of a real car:-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmHqjCa-GAk Compare and contrast with an Evo!! Are you really going to buy the Evo? BTW I had a test drive in a DB9 yesterday. *It was lovely. *I stroked the rear, and it felt beautiful. Is "M" finished installing the ejector seat and anti-air rockets, Mr Bond? ;) What number plate do you think that I should have? *BO55 DON seems a bit too expensive. What do you think about "V12 DON"? D10NAL is also available, but it doesn't seen quite right. Well how about DB9NAL? Regards- Doug King |
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... On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:48:08 -0500, jlrogers±³© wrote: "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... On Sep 11, 4:48 am, jlrogers±³© wrote: And just where are you going to drive that pig? A demolition derby? Or will you roar around your local windy roads, residential neighborhoods, and school zones, endangering the lives of your neighbors? Nope. I live upstate and quite close are a series of roads that are usually empty and with no homes for miles. That said a good handling car is fun to drive well within legal limits as well. Only a pinhead like yourself automatically assumes a sports car equals 3 digit speeds on a back-road. There are also various track days where a driver can try legal 1/4 runs and such. Grow up. Grow up? I'm not the one wasting my resources to feed my ego, though I admit to having spent a great deal of money on sports cars when I was young and immature. Eat, drink, and be merry... Who knows for whom the bell tolls... I don't know for whom the bell tolls, but there would seem to be some bats in Bobsprit's belfry. I was going to comment that's it's one if by land and two if by sea, but the latter would never happen. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Grow up? I'm not the one wasting my resources to feed my ego, though I admit to having spent a great deal of money on sports cars when I was young and immature. Eat, drink, and be merry... Who knows for whom the bell tolls... If said resources effected our quality of life now or later I wouldn't get the car. We can afford the Evo X as easily as our boat. We can easily handle the GT-R. I'll be honest and admit that it would be a waste to spend 150K on a car though because that WOULD effect us financially. RB |
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Dang, this is "performance driving"? I watched about half of the
video, a 4-door econobox doing fairly impressive power slides and then switching to a view of the driver... to be sure, he was busy talking for the camera but he was also yanking the steering wheel like 7-year- old kid. Is that what this "Active Yaw Control" is for, so that people don't have to learn to actually steer the car? Given his job & position, I bet he knows better but it's s |
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