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Political Crap OT
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:01:49 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote this crap: "Marty" wrote in message ... Looking from the outside, it looks like the Democrats are beating themselves with a stick. Slinging mud at each other,,,McCain must be chuckling at the ineptitude. The single biggest thing that is being demonstrated in primary after primary is that America is still fundamentally racist, blacks vote for blacks, whites vote for whites, and there are a lot of white Dems who think that's not the case, enough that Obama is likely to be running against McCain. Anyone care to speculate if the US is ready to elect a black president? Cheers Marty I don't see it that way. I think that given the record turnout, no matter who finally is the nominee, that person will be pretty much fully supported by the people who voted for the other person. How anyone can seriously consider voting for McCain, given all that he is/stands for... continuing the war, lack of fiscal understanding, poor human rights outlook, not to mention his age, etc., is certainly beyond me. While he may be a hero, he comes from a long line of aristocracy of admirals, and he's married to a heiress. While Bill/Hillary are certainly wealthy, they came from the working class. Obama is much the same. He has a lot of support among whites, especially those with a college or better education. I don't think you can classify the US as a racist society compared to the way we were 30/40 or more years ago. We have a long way to go, but things are better. That's what your gay friends in California tell you. I and my friends in the midwest would never consider voting for a Commander in Chief who doesn't have any military experience. I'm Horvath and I approve of this post. |
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Looking from the outside, it looks like the Democrats are beating
themselves with a stick. Slinging mud at each other,,,McCain must be chuckling at the ineptitude. The single biggest thing that is being demonstrated in primary after primary is that America is still fundamentally racist, There are numbers to support that contention, but you could also look at it the other way. Enough people have broken away from the pea- brained bigotry of our caveman ancestors that the U.S. could have a black President by this time next year. "Capt. JG" wrote: I don't see it that way. I think that given the record turnout, no matter who finally is the nominee, that person will be pretty much fully supported by the people who voted for the other person. Maybe, but more likely not. There are a lot of people who really really *hate* the Clintons, Republicans & Democrats alike. Remember, the U.S. has an official 2-party system, but each party is really a coalition similar to those cobbled together under the parliamentary system. Hillary & Obama each have their own constituencies, which do have a large overlap... but when one or the other finally wins, some members of the losers coalition will drop out. It's inevitable. The question is, how many and will they be PO'd enough to vote Republican (for President)? .... How anyone can seriously consider voting for McCain, given all that he is/stands for... continuing the war, lack of fiscal understanding, poor human rights outlook, not to mention his age, etc., is certainly beyond me. I could explain it, but you might not want to listen. I would certainly consider voting for McCain for President under many possible circumstances. Bloody Horvath wrote: .... I and my friends in the midwest would never consider voting for a Commander in Chief who doesn't have any military experience. Flunked high school civics, did you? Without civilian control & oversight of the military, you have a fascist dictatorship, not a democracy. However a lot of people would like exactly that... a "strong man" who would make the trains run on time, And did you consider our current President's "military experience" (getting drunk at the O-club and going AWOL, followed by the convenient loss of all his records) valuable when weighing your vote? DSK |
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... Looking from the outside, it looks like the Democrats are beating themselves with a stick. Slinging mud at each other,,,McCain must be chuckling at the ineptitude. The single biggest thing that is being demonstrated in primary after primary is that America is still fundamentally racist, There are numbers to support that contention, but you could also look at it the other way. Enough people have broken away from the pea- brained bigotry of our caveman ancestors that the U.S. could have a black President by this time next year. If Obama is the nominee, then the vast majority of Hillary supporters will go with him. "Capt. JG" wrote: I don't see it that way. I think that given the record turnout, no matter who finally is the nominee, that person will be pretty much fully supported by the people who voted for the other person. Maybe, but more likely not. There are a lot of people who really really *hate* the Clintons, Republicans & Democrats alike. Perhaps, but compared to continuing the current policies, they would likely hold their nose. At the moment, I think Obama has a better shot. Remember, the U.S. has an official 2-party system, but each party is really a coalition similar to those cobbled together under the parliamentary system. Hillary & Obama each have their own constituencies, which do have a large overlap... but when one or the other finally wins, some members of the losers coalition will drop out. It's inevitable. The question is, how many and will they be PO'd enough to vote Republican (for President)? Anyone who's son or daughter is fighting in Iraq, not to mention the people themselves. Cheney was booed recently during a speech there. Some of the soldiers were trash-talking him to reporters during the speech to reporters. How many times has that happened. The Pentagon's own people think it's a "debacle" of huge perportions. The economy is in a shambles. .... How anyone can seriously consider voting for McCain, given all that he is/stands for... continuing the war, lack of fiscal understanding, poor human rights outlook, not to mention his age, etc., is certainly beyond me. I could explain it, but you might not want to listen. I would certainly consider voting for McCain for President under many possible circumstances. He's better than Bush, but that's not saying much. He probably doesn't lie as much as Bush, but that's not saying much. He's got military experience more than Bush (who has practically zero), but that's not saying much. He's too old, but I guess he's better than someone's who's brain dead like Bush. There, I thought of four things. LOL bs removed -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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X-No-Archive: yes
"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news Doug, as one who was there I'll offer some additional information regarding this subject. Don't confuse them with facts, Frank. You're challenging an article of faith. |
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On 23 Apr 2008 14:23:01 -0500, "Dave" wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news Doug, as one who was there I'll offer some additional information regarding this subject. Don't confuse them with facts, Frank. You're challenging an article of faith. Not attempting to confuse, Dave. I met Doug and family on his ICW loop and he is an intelligent and likable person. I'm simply offering a perspective based on living through the times. I'm not defending Bush. The use of influence to change position on a national guard list was commonplace, so if it happened it would not surprise me because I know others, locally, who took advantage of the same thing. Individuals with a whole lot less stroke than the Bush family. So his "crime" was to accept the outcome. It was not time of fairness. If you were poor, could not afford to continue education past high school, had no influence, could not trick the system by taking drugs to fail the physical, you were drafted or you joined, or you fled the country, plain and simple. Then the lottery, then the elimination of the draft. My comments on the "winding down" of the war are as I observed them. Many combat pilots were coming back and the slots in guard units were coveted, and they deserved them. If you didn't want to stay in, no one was going to chain you to the post. Frank |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:28:52 -0500, Frank Boettcher said: It was not time of fairness. If you were poor, could not afford to continue education past high school, had no influence, could not trick the system by taking drugs to fail the physical, you were drafted or you joined, or you fled the country, plain and simple. Then the lottery, then the elimination of the draft. Certainly not news to me. I got out of school at the height of the war. Called up my draft board and was told that unless I volunteered I would be drafted. I told them I would sign up for OCS, and they said they'd put my folder at the back of the drawer, and I should let them know when I had been sworn in. Dunno how it was in Hope, AK, but where I came from people were expected to honor their word, and I did. Clinton didn't. Neither did Bush. I know you hate the Clintons, but the reality is that Bush didn't finish what he signed up for wrt to his service commitment. Unfortunately, he learned that lesson a bit late and now we have Iraq. My comments on the "winding down" of the war are as I observed them. Many combat pilots were coming back and the slots in guard units were coveted, and they deserved them. If you didn't want to stay in, no one was going to chain you to the post. Yes. When I got out everyone was getting early outs by a few months. I called up the local reserve unit, and they said come if you want to, but no big deal if you don't want to. Bush did "get an early out." He just stopped showing up... and remains a chickenhawk. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:01:11 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Neither did Bush. Jon, This is a technique of yours called pointing to bad behavior to justify other bad behavior. It's getting a bit old. Ever hear of Johnny one-note? You seem to think that it's reasonable to point out the bad behavior of someone out of office, while ignoring the bad behavior of someone in office. This is getting a bit old. Ever hear of not facing reality? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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