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Looking from the outside, it looks like the Democrats are beating themselves with a stick. Slinging mud at each other,,,McCain must be chuckling at the ineptitude. The single biggest thing that is being demonstrated in primary after primary is that America is still fundamentally racist, blacks vote for blacks, whites vote for whites, and there are a lot of white Dems who think that's not the case, enough that Obama is likely to be running against McCain. Anyone care to speculate if the US is ready to elect a black president? Cheers Marty |
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... Looking from the outside, it looks like the Democrats are beating themselves with a stick. Slinging mud at each other,,,McCain must be chuckling at the ineptitude. The single biggest thing that is being demonstrated in primary after primary is that America is still fundamentally racist, blacks vote for blacks, whites vote for whites, and there are a lot of white Dems who think that's not the case, enough that Obama is likely to be running against McCain. Anyone care to speculate if the US is ready to elect a black president? Cheers Marty I don't see it that way. I think that given the record turnout, no matter who finally is the nominee, that person will be pretty much fully supported by the people who voted for the other person. How anyone can seriously consider voting for McCain, given all that he is/stands for... continuing the war, lack of fiscal understanding, poor human rights outlook, not to mention his age, etc., is certainly beyond me. While he may be a hero, he comes from a long line of aristocracy of admirals, and he's married to a heiress. While Bill/Hillary are certainly wealthy, they came from the working class. Obama is much the same. He has a lot of support among whites, especially those with a college or better education. I don't think you can classify the US as a racist society compared to the way we were 30/40 or more years ago. We have a long way to go, but things are better. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:01:49 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote this crap: "Marty" wrote in message ... Looking from the outside, it looks like the Democrats are beating themselves with a stick. Slinging mud at each other,,,McCain must be chuckling at the ineptitude. The single biggest thing that is being demonstrated in primary after primary is that America is still fundamentally racist, blacks vote for blacks, whites vote for whites, and there are a lot of white Dems who think that's not the case, enough that Obama is likely to be running against McCain. Anyone care to speculate if the US is ready to elect a black president? Cheers Marty I don't see it that way. I think that given the record turnout, no matter who finally is the nominee, that person will be pretty much fully supported by the people who voted for the other person. How anyone can seriously consider voting for McCain, given all that he is/stands for... continuing the war, lack of fiscal understanding, poor human rights outlook, not to mention his age, etc., is certainly beyond me. While he may be a hero, he comes from a long line of aristocracy of admirals, and he's married to a heiress. While Bill/Hillary are certainly wealthy, they came from the working class. Obama is much the same. He has a lot of support among whites, especially those with a college or better education. I don't think you can classify the US as a racist society compared to the way we were 30/40 or more years ago. We have a long way to go, but things are better. That's what your gay friends in California tell you. I and my friends in the midwest would never consider voting for a Commander in Chief who doesn't have any military experience. I'm Horvath and I approve of this post. |
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On Apr 23, 12:00 am, Marty wrote:
Looking from the outside, it looks like the Democrats are beating themselves with a stick. Slinging mud at each other,,,McCain must be chuckling at the ineptitude. The single biggest thing that is being demonstrated in primary after primary is that America is still fundamentally racist, blacks vote for blacks, whites vote for whites, and there are a lot of white Dems who think that's not the case, enough that Obama is likely to be running against McCain. Anyone care to speculate if the US is ready to elect a black president? Cheers Marty Sure, especially a black president with a white mother. Naturally the US remains filled with ignorant hicks who, even after getting punched in the face again and again, still claim to be proud of their vote for Bush. What can you do with such people? They still think republicans are conservative! As for the Democrats, they're not doing any damage. It's one of the kindest battles ever and it will soon be over. The public has the attention span and memory retention of a Mayfly, so little matters until the presidential race itself winds down to the final weeks. Few people know or care to ponder what "Public Servant" once meant. The Good Captain 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
On Apr 23, 12:00 am, Marty wrote: Looking from the outside, it looks like the Democrats are beating themselves with a stick. Slinging mud at each other,,,McCain must be chuckling at the ineptitude. The single biggest thing that is being demonstrated in primary after primary is that America is still fundamentally racist, blacks vote for blacks, whites vote for whites, and there are a lot of white Dems who think that's not the case, enough that Obama is likely to be running against McCain. Anyone care to speculate if the US is ready to elect a black president? Cheers Marty Sure, especially a black president with a white mother. Naturally the US remains filled with ignorant hicks who, even after getting punched in the face again and again, still claim to be proud of their vote for Bush. What can you do with such people? They still think republicans are conservative! As for the Democrats, they're not doing any damage. It's one of the kindest battles ever and it will soon be over. The public has the attention span and memory retention of a Mayfly, so little matters until the presidential race itself winds down to the final weeks. Few people know or care to ponder what "Public Servant" once meant. Much as may like to spar with you Bob, I think there's a lot of truth in your words. Cheers Marty |
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Looking from the outside, it looks like the Democrats are beating
themselves with a stick. Slinging mud at each other,,,McCain must be chuckling at the ineptitude. The single biggest thing that is being demonstrated in primary after primary is that America is still fundamentally racist, There are numbers to support that contention, but you could also look at it the other way. Enough people have broken away from the pea- brained bigotry of our caveman ancestors that the U.S. could have a black President by this time next year. "Capt. JG" wrote: I don't see it that way. I think that given the record turnout, no matter who finally is the nominee, that person will be pretty much fully supported by the people who voted for the other person. Maybe, but more likely not. There are a lot of people who really really *hate* the Clintons, Republicans & Democrats alike. Remember, the U.S. has an official 2-party system, but each party is really a coalition similar to those cobbled together under the parliamentary system. Hillary & Obama each have their own constituencies, which do have a large overlap... but when one or the other finally wins, some members of the losers coalition will drop out. It's inevitable. The question is, how many and will they be PO'd enough to vote Republican (for President)? .... How anyone can seriously consider voting for McCain, given all that he is/stands for... continuing the war, lack of fiscal understanding, poor human rights outlook, not to mention his age, etc., is certainly beyond me. I could explain it, but you might not want to listen. I would certainly consider voting for McCain for President under many possible circumstances. Bloody Horvath wrote: .... I and my friends in the midwest would never consider voting for a Commander in Chief who doesn't have any military experience. Flunked high school civics, did you? Without civilian control & oversight of the military, you have a fascist dictatorship, not a democracy. However a lot of people would like exactly that... a "strong man" who would make the trains run on time, And did you consider our current President's "military experience" (getting drunk at the O-club and going AWOL, followed by the convenient loss of all his records) valuable when weighing your vote? DSK |
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... Looking from the outside, it looks like the Democrats are beating themselves with a stick. Slinging mud at each other,,,McCain must be chuckling at the ineptitude. The single biggest thing that is being demonstrated in primary after primary is that America is still fundamentally racist, There are numbers to support that contention, but you could also look at it the other way. Enough people have broken away from the pea- brained bigotry of our caveman ancestors that the U.S. could have a black President by this time next year. If Obama is the nominee, then the vast majority of Hillary supporters will go with him. "Capt. JG" wrote: I don't see it that way. I think that given the record turnout, no matter who finally is the nominee, that person will be pretty much fully supported by the people who voted for the other person. Maybe, but more likely not. There are a lot of people who really really *hate* the Clintons, Republicans & Democrats alike. Perhaps, but compared to continuing the current policies, they would likely hold their nose. At the moment, I think Obama has a better shot. Remember, the U.S. has an official 2-party system, but each party is really a coalition similar to those cobbled together under the parliamentary system. Hillary & Obama each have their own constituencies, which do have a large overlap... but when one or the other finally wins, some members of the losers coalition will drop out. It's inevitable. The question is, how many and will they be PO'd enough to vote Republican (for President)? Anyone who's son or daughter is fighting in Iraq, not to mention the people themselves. Cheney was booed recently during a speech there. Some of the soldiers were trash-talking him to reporters during the speech to reporters. How many times has that happened. The Pentagon's own people think it's a "debacle" of huge perportions. The economy is in a shambles. .... How anyone can seriously consider voting for McCain, given all that he is/stands for... continuing the war, lack of fiscal understanding, poor human rights outlook, not to mention his age, etc., is certainly beyond me. I could explain it, but you might not want to listen. I would certainly consider voting for McCain for President under many possible circumstances. He's better than Bush, but that's not saying much. He probably doesn't lie as much as Bush, but that's not saying much. He's got military experience more than Bush (who has practically zero), but that's not saying much. He's too old, but I guess he's better than someone's who's brain dead like Bush. There, I thought of four things. LOL bs removed -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:32:37 -0400, Vito wrote:
Men and women jump on grenades to save others. They are heros. Others have risked their lives (and often lost them) to protect and save others. They too are heros. A man I know had two planes shot out from under him but hiked back to fight again. I'd call him a hero. McCain got shot down and captured. Beats the **** out of Blundering Bush's record but not in the same league as the aforementioned folks. LOL, besides the jumping on grenades, McCain did all of the above. You may want to read, at least a little, about McCain's military career. |
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