The 35s5 rates 129, and the 35s5 W is 132. Oddly, the only
35s5
racing has an adjusted rating is 138 (mainly weight adjustment), so a
wing keel version with the same adjustment would race at 141, or only
15
points lower than a stock Nonsuch would. In other words, the Long
Island Sound ratings completely support my claim that the 35s5W is
not
so much faster than a NS 36 that it could pass it without a jib in
winds
under 20 knots. .

I'd say that's pretty lame for a modern 35 footer but that probably
explains the race results we've seen.

35s5: Express 30 speed with the comfort of a 35 footer.

Capt. Rob wrote:
A Nonsuch 33 races in the same division at 147 (I'm guessing
his rating is because he flies a chute). If you add 3 points for
your
wing keel, 3 points for your A/C, and six points for your small jib,
you
rate 3 seconds slower than the Nonsuch!


There are many 35s5's racing around the country, Jeff. Google them.
We have no way of knowing why the 35s5 rates 138, which is way above
average. On the other hand a rating of 147 is still going to get
clobbered by our boat.

With you sailing? I'd say its a toss-up!

No amount of sail is going to make up a 3 ton liability between two
boats of this type, 3 tons and the Nonsuch carries only a bit more
sail area, has more wetted surface and isn't shaped for speed at all.

Actually, the under water shape isn't that bad, and it wasn't
compromised by designing to any rule. Fin keel, spade rudder,
symmetrical balanced shape for more neutral helm than the rig would
suggest. As for the sail area, the NS 36 has a SA/Disp of 18, higher
than the standard 35s5, only a bit lower than the tall rig.

And I never claimed the NS 36 was faster, only that it was faster than
the benny without a jib. Under main alone, your SA/Disp falls to around
11 - you'd have trouble keeping up with a chumbucket!

"jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Capt. Rob wrote:
Here's the current list of LIS PHRF racers:
http://yralis.org/070831-valid-certs.pdf


And here's the list that reflects average ratings across
the country:

Sorry Booby, just yesterday you were ranting about the
ratings "in your
area" and that ratings for others didn't count. So I
found the relevant
ratings and the most recent certificates from your local
authority. The
bottom line: the only 35s5 that races in your area rates
138 with the
fin keel. A Nonsuch 33 races in the same division at 147
(I'm guessing
his rating is because he flies a chute). If you add 3
points for your
wing keel, 3 points for your A/C, and six points for your
small jib, you
rate 3 seconds slower than the Nonsuch!


if you consider who's helming the 35s5s5 , it would add 18
minutes.

And here's the list that reflects average ratings across
the country:

"jeff" wrote
Sorry Booby, just yesterday you were ranting about the
ratings "in your
area" and that ratings for others didn't count.

And before that, he was ranting that PHRF was for sissies.


.... the only 35s5 that races in your area rates
138 with the
fin keel. A Nonsuch 33 races in the same division at 147
(I'm guessing
his rating is because he flies a chute). If you add 3
points for your
wing keel, 3 points for your A/C, and six points for your
small jib, you
rate 3 seconds slower than the Nonsuch!

Does the 35s5 get an allowance for "class sails" I would think not
since that's usually given to one-designs that don't fly 155% genoas.
Of course, you could request such a rating adjustment but it probably
would not fly.


"Scotty" wrote:
if you consider who's helming the 35s5s5 , it would add 18
minutes.

due to this particular helmsman's proven ability to hit charted rocks?
And don't forget the rating adjustment for the dish antennae and the
trailing power cord.

DSK

Actually, the under water shape isn't that bad,



Yeah, just what every sailor wants; a underwater profile that "isn't
that bad."
Case closed!


Nonsuch 36: Not that bad!


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Actually, the under water shape isn't that bad,



Yeah, just what every sailor wants; a underwater profile that "isn't
that bad."
Case closed!


Nonsuch 36: Not that bad!

Yeah, Not that bad, as in good enough to beat a 35s5!



RB
35s5 - almost as fast as a Nonsuch
NY

Yeah, Not that bad, as in good enough to beat a 35s5!



It might beat a 35s5, just like my 35s5 might beat a J120.

Uh huh.

Nonsuch: When 8 knots is just too fast!



RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Yeah, Not that bad, as in good enough to beat a 35s5!



It might beat a 35s5, just like my 35s5 might beat a J120.

Especially since, as you claim, its so hard for a 35s5 skipper to sail
up to the 138 rating!


Uh huh.

Nonsuch: Beating the Benny's in comfort and style!



RB
35s5 - it might not be fast but its tippy!
NY

Especially since, as you claim, its so hard for a 35s5 skipper to
sail
up to the 138 rating!



Jeff, this is yet another one of your lies and I'll prove it.
I said that the 35s5 has trouble sailing to it's rating, which is
typically 114 to 129. I rarely see 132 and once saw 138, but don't
know what was up with those higher number boats. The standard rating
for my boat is 129 and it's tough to hit for many sailors.
In my area, according to the link I provided, the 35s5 was just
dropped from 129 to 126.

It's on the link I gave.

Sorry.

Nonsuch: The Motorsailor's Sailboat.



RB
35s5
NY

BWAHAHAHA!!! You snap at every lame troll! And the funny thing is,
everything I said is true!


Capt. Rob wrote:
Especially since, as you claim, its so hard for a 35s5 skipper to
sail
up to the 138 rating!



Jeff, this is yet another one of your lies and I'll prove it.
I said that the 35s5 has trouble sailing to it's rating, which is
typically 114 to 129. I rarely see 132 and once saw 138, but don't
know what was up with those higher number boats.

They are the ratings (base and adjusted) for the only 35s5 that races in
your area. Why is this so hard to understand?

I'll give you some help. If they fly a smaller jib (as you often do)
they can get +3 or +6 adjustment. If they carry less than the standard
crew (9 180 pounders) they could get an adjustment. Its pretty easy to
end up with a +9.

As I said, the Nonsuch base ratings are without spinnakers but against
spinnaker rated boats. If the Nonsuch carries a chute, its rating is
adjusted downward. This, BTW, is why NS ratings are so high.

The standard rating
for my boat is 129 and it's tough to hit for many sailors.

I'm sure its very hard for you! But all you're saying is that your real
rating should be much higher, perhaps higher than the Nonsuch!

In my area, according to the link I provided, the 35s5 was just
dropped from 129 to 126.

It's on the link I gave.

You mean the 4 year old, random page on a personal site? I links I
provided are the true YRA LIS ratings as of Aug 31, 2007.


Sorry.

Actually rather pathetic.


Nonsuch: The Motorsailor's Sailboat. But still fast enough to beat a benny.



RB
35s5
NY