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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:57:43 -0400, katy
scribbled thusly:


Becasue the liberals passed the HIPPA (Hralth Insurance Portability and
Protection Act) laaws which disallow any release of medical information
if not specifically permitted by the patient...to release medical
information without the express permission of the subject is a breach of
privacy under this act and is prosecutable...hey...the libs wrote
it...talk to them...kid should have been in an institution...libs got
rid of those too so the mentally ill could mainstream with the rest of
society...

OK, so you have a set of loose gun control regulations which will
allow mentally unstable people to purchase a pistol because their
illness is only their affair.
Great!

That pretty well sums it up. Of course it's wrong, but it's the way our
government works. But your professed alternative is completely without
merit as well. How would you expect our seriously-flawed government to do a
gun-grab or gun control correctly? Your faith in our government is not
shared by most Americans.

Max

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:19:58 -0400, "Scotty"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message news:

OK, so you have a set of loose gun control regulations
which will
allow mentally unstable people to purchase a pistol
because their
illness is only their affair.
Great!


Yes, we are.

Yes, I can see that you honestly believe that....

Scotty excepted, those of us in health care despise HIPPA. It was strictly
a knee-jerk reaction by liberals to insure protection of medical privacy,
something that wasn't needed. Health care professionals already maintained
an extremely high degree of ethics across the board. Of course there were
holes in the system, but they were miniscule compared with the expense and
inconvenience brought about by HIPPA. For example, I cannot reveal anything
about my 18 and older patients to their parents without first obtaining
permission from the patient. Mom brings her kid to the office, pays for his
care, and I still have to ask the kid if its okay to answer Mom's questions.
It makes for constrained, uneasy relationships between doctors and families.
Another example: it cost our group over $140K to modify our two offices in
order to comply with new, unnecessary HIPPA regulations. Many small
practices simply closed their doors, unable to comply.

Just another isolated example of a government that is broken and no fix in
sight. And you want this government to control the proliferation of guns.
LOL.

Max

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
katy wrote:
Becasue the liberals passed the HIPPA (Hralth Insurance Portability and
Protection Act) laaws which disallow any release of medical information
if not specifically permitted by the patient...to release medical
information without the express permission of the subject is a breach of
privacy under this act and is prosecutable...hey...the libs wrote
it...talk to them...kid should have been in an institution...libs got
rid of those too so the mentally ill could mainstream with the rest of
society...

Ah, the liberals. Ok, so then what you're really saying is that the
Federal law is toothless.

Most laws are, Jon. And the ones with teeth are seldom enforced. Our
"great" government in action.

Max

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"katy" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
katy wrote:

Becasue the liberals passed the HIPPA (Hralth Insurance Portability and
Protection Act) laaws which disallow any release of medical information
if not specifically permitted by the patient...to release medical
information without the express permission of the subject is a breach of
privacy under this act and is prosecutable...hey...the libs wrote
it...talk to them...kid should have been in an institution...libs got rid
of those too so the mentally ill could mainstream with the rest of
society...


Ah, the liberals. Ok, so then what you're really saying is that the
Federal law is toothless.


What I'm saying is that laws clash with each other and take away the teeth
of each other...they bite themselves in the butt...an attorney friend of
mine, about as liberal as they come, worked on the HIPPA laws when in
development and is a lobbyist for the health care industry...she is proud
of the HIPPA Act, but does not understand the ramifications of what it
does in the workplace. Privacy laws on health care were already in
place..didn't need more...it's overkill and detrimental...and you want to
make gun laws (over the top of other gun laws) that in effect, are the
same...

For a liberal, passing a new law invokes a warm and fuzzy feeling, whether
the law is effective or not.
For a libertarian, passing a law that 1) won't affect anything or 2) won't
be enforced, is meaningless and not worth the time or trouble.

It's all about feelings with liberals. It's all about reality with
libertarians.

Max

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:
Gun shows are regulated by the same laws as gun dealers. More to the
point,
the vast majority of sellers at gun shows ARE gun dealers. They have to
have FFLs and are bound by state and federal laws.

Not that I'm using my last experience at a gun show to make the claim
that this is common place, but I had three dealers offer to sell me a
Dan Wesson without a waiting period.

Unless you possess a permit to own/carry a handgun, you should have turned
them in. I would have.

Max

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OzOne wrote in message
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Can you explain how this person under treatment for
depression managed
to buy a gun from a gunshop if your system works?


He must have washed off the big red 'D' that the Dr. put on
his forehead.

SV

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* katy wrote, On 4/17/2007 11:57 PM:

Can you explain how this person under treatment for depression managed
to buy a gun from a gunshop if your system works?

Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.

Becasue the liberals passed the HIPPA (Hralth Insurance Portability and
Protection Act) laaws which disallow any release of medical information
if not specifically permitted by the patient...to release medical
information without the express permission of the subject is a breach of
privacy under this act and is prosecutable...hey...the libs wrote
it...talk to them...kid should have been in an institution...libs got
rid of those too so the mentally ill could mainstream with the rest of
society...

The Privacy and Security provisions of HIPPA were passed by a
Republican Congress and signed by a Republican President.

And are you seriously saying that the NRA (or anyone else) would
support a law that encouraged a psychiatrist to put a note in your FBI
file that you're being treated for depression and therefore cannot be
trusted?

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Jeff wrote:
* katy wrote, On 4/17/2007 11:57 PM:


Can you explain how this person under treatment for depression managed
to buy a gun from a gunshop if your system works?

Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.


Becasue the liberals passed the HIPPA (Hralth Insurance Portability
and Protection Act) laaws which disallow any release of medical
information if not specifically permitted by the patient...to release
medical information without the express permission of the subject is a
breach of privacy under this act and is prosecutable...hey...the libs
wrote it...talk to them...kid should have been in an
institution...libs got rid of those too so the mentally ill could
mainstream with the rest of society...


The Privacy and Security provisions of HIPPA were passed by a Republican
Congress and signed by a Republican President.

And are you seriously saying that the NRA (or anyone else) would support
a law that encouraged a psychiatrist to put a note in your FBI file that
you're being treated for depression and therefore cannot be trusted?

No..I'm not supporting that at all...and HIPPA is a much larger and long
running act than just the final passage...it started out hand in hand
with the COBRA Act...yes, Republicans passed it..at that point they had
little chpoice but to pass it...OZ asked why someone who purchased a gun
could do so with a mental condition...I explained how that was possible
here...I do, however, think that there are some things we go way
overboard on, to wit, I know a foster care parent who takes care of
psychiatric foster care children...these kids are abused by parents with
psychiatric problems that were then perpetuated on their
children...those parents are protected by society...there is one parent
who sexually abused his child repeatedly, in heinous ways, yet he is out
on the streets..he has committed these acts on various children time and
time again but becasue he suffers from a very low IQ and has a mental
condition he is protected...so he spends 2 weeks in a facility and then
is let out to do it all over again..and because he is a mental illness
case he is not on a sexual predator list! We do things backwards
here...we protect the wrong innocents...used to be that if a person,
like Cho, wrote or spoke about the things he did, that those things
would have been enough to demand a 3 day visit for evaluation at some
mental health institution...now we have to wait until they actually
commit some ded of physicality, rather than of intent...I feel sortry
for the Professor that tried to do something and was thwarted by a
system...I feel sorry for an institution that fears prosecution and
lawsuits becasue of our legal system protecting those that would harm
them...I feel sorry for a police force that cannot act because they are
bound from taking any action or at least being able to remand such a
person to a psychiatrist for evaluation...

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Maxprop wrote:. Many small


Just another isolated example of a government that is broken and no fix in
sight. And you want this government to control the proliferation of guns.
LOL.

HIPPA was enacted Aug. 1996, you've had a Replican House, Senate and
President for something over half the time the Act has been in effect.
If it's so bad why hasn't it been repealled or amended?

Cheers
Marty

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In article ,
katy wrote:
See previous list of big money interests.

And there are just as many big money interests funded by liberals to
lobby for their side of things. It's only bad when it's not your side,
right?

Care to name them? Nope... didn't think so. I don't think there are
many that can compete with the industries I mentioned.


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