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"katy" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:

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Neither was the polio vaccine, but it saved countless lives. The
fact is that there exists things like rape and incest, which has
nothing to do with abstinence:

http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm

In part...

Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to
the U.S. Department of Justice.
In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault.
(NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics,
U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of
a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey.
Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.)
The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United
States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation,
Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.)



That's a weak argument to convinve anyone they should vaccinate
themselves with something that hasn't withstood the test of
time...like I said, we still haven't figured out the possible
causation of autism

from the MMR vaccine yet and that's been well over 20 years...it's
also

a well known medical fact that people who live negative paranoid
lives, worrying and stress filled, are candidates for cancer...so
let's make some more paranoia for tjem so they contract it for
sure...let's tell them all they'll get cancer if they are raped!
Let's hav ewomen worry more that they may be raped...God, this world
is really becoming a very pathetic depressing place...I prefer to
live my life thinking positive thank you...



The polio vaccine is a weak argument? Rape stats are a week argument?

As far as MMR goes, there is absolutely no evidence that it causes
autism. This has been looked at over and over.

And hasn't been decided conclusively...my sister inlaw teaches autitic
kids...we have two autistic kids in the fa,ily and my other sister is a
foster care mother with 2 auristic kids...believe me, they all know
what the research going on is... that book is by no means closed...


There is no such thing as "conclusively" when it comes to anything. The
tobaco companies are still using that argument.
Your sister is, I'm sure, a fine person, but anecdotal evidence isn't
worth much.


Not anecdotal at all...she is a specially trained advocate...and has
researched the issues herself as has my SIL who holds a Master's Degree
in Education specifically of the Autistic...or are you saying that
someone with an MA isn't capable of reading research, looking at their
own personal experiences in the field and fa,ily and drawing conclusions?
http://www.vaccineinfo.net/immunizat...ismstudy.shtml



Firstly, you didn't cite any study in your original post. You said your
sisterin inlaw had an ancedotal experience. Secondly, if you read the
link, you'll see that the relationship under study is looking at the
mothers who've had the MMR, not the kids who are autistic.

As Nellen would asay...dug...and that isn't a co sideration here? That
these girls may down the line pass soemthing on? I don't like arguing so
I'm done with this...for every source you can pull out of the bin, I can
find an equal and opposing source...it's a no win situation..so bye...by
the way, don't you ever work at work?


I'm able to work at work at home or on the boat this week.

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"katy" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
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Martin Baxter wrote:

katy wrote:


Nope..it's not...

If we don't do something


soon, it will spiral out of control.

And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the
ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for
a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all
things end...accept that...we are not infite beings..


That may just be the strangest non-argument I've read, it basically says
that because the dinosaurs became extinct, it's perfectly fine for
mankind to hasten his extinction and we should do nothing to prevent it.
It amounts to propounding mass suicide.

Cheers
Marty

The earth has been happy without us in the past...why wouldn't she be
happy without us in the future? Mankind will survive only of it deserves
to survive...sometimes U don't think our survival in the unicerse is a
very umportant thing...



Again, and for what I hope will be the final time... it's not a matter of
our survival. Some high percentage of humans will survive. This is about
the rest of the species and our relative comfort in a decent environment.


There's the rub...you want a perfect little life with relative comfort and
no problems... won't happen...there will always be something, whether it
is your supposed global warming scenario or the historical cyclical
passing of time on the earth...besides, you're not going to have much
vomfort anyway when the fault goes and San Grancisco sinks into the
Bay....and I imagine your environment will suffer, too...why don't you
apply yourself to trying to stop the fault from going? Makes as much sense
as trying to stop a historical and cyclical environmental event...


Never said I want a perfect little life with relative comfort, although I
wouldn't mind and certainly hope to have the latter. Why won't it happen?
Seems pretty reasonable and doable, and I'm willing to forgo some of my
relative comfort for the greater good. I think that's reasonable also.

I don't live in SF nor nearby particularly. Not too worried about
earthquakes. If I'm on my boat, I'll try to ride out the tsunami.

And, once again, the historical cyclical cycle of warm and cold have nothing
whatever to do with the FACT of human significant contribution to the
impending global disaster. We have the ability to control ourselves with
respect to our global environment, and to mitigate the extreme volitility
that will be and is currently caused by our pollution. I think we should do
so.

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"Capt. JG" wrote
I'm assuming you mean liberals. Which facts are those? Human caused global environmental change for the worse is
happening. If we don't do something soon, it will spiral out of control.

It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic
circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody
believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart.

Cheers,
Ellen

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:00:26 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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No. It's an article of faith in science.

I'm sure you have no conception of the extent to which that statement is
an
oxymoron. But I trust other appreciate it.


Actually, it's not an oxymoron, because that would imply that I don't
understand science another religion. It just happens to be based on facts,
which should preceed beliefs.

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In article , Capt. JG
says...

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:00:26 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

No. It's an article of faith in science.

I'm sure you have no conception of the extent to which that statement is
an
oxymoron. But I trust other appreciate it.


Actually, it's not an oxymoron, because that would imply that I don't
understand science another religion. It just happens to be based on facts,
which should preceed beliefs.

You're right, you're not an oxymoron.

Just a plain old garden variety moron. Nothing fancy.

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It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic
circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody
believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart.

Cheers,
Ellen

Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the
environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we
will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a
lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air
are causing global changes. Even if the environmentalists are wrong about
global warming, is burning less fossil fuels, consuming less in general, and
putting less crap in our environment really a bad idea? Do we have to have
100% conclusive proof that what we are doing will cause global human
distruction before we decide not to live in filth? Everyone I have ever
heard that argues that we shouldn't do anything to stop/prevent global
warming always says that there is no conclusive proof so we should just keep
doing what we are doing and not think about it because some body might make
money off that change. A lot of evidence has shown that there is a shift in
global climate in the last 100 years. Even if that is a natural shift should
we still continue to burn massive amounts of fuel releasing chemicals such as
CO2 and particulate matter? I really don't think that it's a good idea. We
don't know what exactly will happen. Anyone that says we can not effect the
planet is either lying or retarded. Heres a quick test. Look up Google
earth at an aerial photo of the greater L.A. area or any oth major city in
the world and tell me what you see. I look and see thousands of acres of
concrete. It is a huge area that is paved over. That is a significant
change and is just one of many changes people have made on this planet.

Bill

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:27:28 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

Yeah, I guess all those scientists just don't measure up to big oil and
big
business when it comes to the facts.

Hey Jon, you left out a couple of stock villains. You didn't mention big
pharma, big tobacco, the Nazis, the Afrikaners, the vast right wing
conspiracy, the fundamentalist Christians, the Muslim radicals .......

You're gonna have to hone your skills if you expect to persuade people the
sky is falling.


Why would I want to try to persuade idiots... Some people will claim its
raining when they **** into the wind.

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"scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote in message
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It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta
provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic
circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody
believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart.

Cheers,
Ellen

Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to
the
environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event
we
will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have
a
lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the
air
are causing global changes. Even if the environmentalists are wrong about
global warming, is burning less fossil fuels, consuming less in general,
and
putting less crap in our environment really a bad idea? Do we have to
have
100% conclusive proof that what we are doing will cause global human
distruction before we decide not to live in filth? Everyone I have ever
heard that argues that we shouldn't do anything to stop/prevent global
warming always says that there is no conclusive proof so we should just
keep
doing what we are doing and not think about it because some body might
make
money off that change. A lot of evidence has shown that there is a shift
in
global climate in the last 100 years. Even if that is a natural shift
should
we still continue to burn massive amounts of fuel releasing chemicals such
as
CO2 and particulate matter? I really don't think that it's a good idea.
We
don't know what exactly will happen. Anyone that says we can not effect
the
planet is either lying or retarded. Heres a quick test. Look up Google
earth at an aerial photo of the greater L.A. area or any oth major city in
the world and tell me what you see. I look and see thousands of acres of
concrete. It is a huge area that is paved over. That is a significant
change and is just one of many changes people have made on this planet.

Bill

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Nice, except that Neal brags about living in filth...

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Who needs paper to wipe themselves? Certainly not real
sailors. You have not been listening to my Cedar Bucket
lessons well enough, Ganz. Not only is it a waste disposal
system and a live bait carrier and a cat litter box, but it
also makes a fine douche. One needs only empty and fill it
almost to the rim with water, add a little soap suds and
then sit on it and have a beer in a moderate sea. Pretty
soon. . . squeeky clean!

If you ever went sailing you would not have to be told in
such graphic terms how to carry on!

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
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Dear Novices,

The best method to use Crapton's "lessons" is to print
them out (I'd suggest a cheap, soft bond, and not an
inkjet printer) and use them to wipe yourself. That's
the most efficient use.


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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:27:28 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

Yeah, I guess all those scientists just don't measure up to big oil and
big
business when it comes to the facts.

Hey Jon, you left out a couple of stock villains. You didn't mention big
pharma, big tobacco, the Nazis, the Afrikaners, the vast right wing
conspiracy, the fundamentalist Christians, the Muslim radicals .......

You're gonna have to hone your skills if you expect to persuade people the
sky is falling.


I should add that I don't consider Katy to be an idiot. She's a fine person,
just misguided. g

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Capt. JG wrote:

Actually, it's not an oxymoron, because that would imply that I don't
understand science another religion.

huh?