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On Feb 6, 11:57 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Feb 6, 12:26 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"katy" wrote in message

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Maxprop wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like
Capt.
JG or scientests with real
credentials? Like this guy?

Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

By Timothy Ball
Monday, February 5, 2007

Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not
the
only one trying to

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question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the
most important question to ask
if we are to advance in the right direction.

_________________________________________________

Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project
(www.nrsp.com), is a
Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology
professor
at the University of
Winnipeg. He can be reached at

The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is
making
some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations,
the
scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys
like
Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies
made
based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the
Earth's temperature is rising.

Global warming = big bucks.

Max
All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in
Texas
with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is
just
recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we
find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a
former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost
of
hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and
water...they
should be kept in separate containers...

My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they
decide
it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's
wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a
deadly
disease?

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Nothing's wrong if it's a proven drug, whats wrong is our gov is going
to get rich with kickbacks.
Remeber that gov vaccination that cause all the kids with little arms
and legs?

Joe

I don't think anyone except the usual suspects are going to get rich. It's
the right thing to do, and parents have a way to avoid it if they truly want
to.

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You do not understand Texas politics. Seems Gov. Perry's buddie is
pushing the drug. You know he is going to get a pick-up full of gold
in exchange for the favor. Sorta like the 747's laiden with gold
treaures for Bush sr from Kuwait, or the baseball scam jr pulled off
up in the DFW area.

Joe

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On Feb 6, 12:41 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:32:25 -0500, katy
wrote:

ANd I said nothing about sexual activity other than the comment
that if you don't have sex, you won't get papiloma virus...which is true...

I guess you missed the part where they said they were giving this to
Texan girls. They can't even pronounce the word "abstinence"

CWM

What's wrong BB? jealous ?

Let me guess, you did not get laid until after you flunked out of
Harvard right?

BTW thoses Norwalk girls only practiced abstinence with you.

Joe

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"katy" wrote in message
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Neither was the polio vaccine, but it saved countless lives. The fact
is that there exists things like rape and incest, which has nothing to
do with abstinence:

http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm

In part...

Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to
the U.S. Department of Justice.
In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault.
(NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics,
U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a
rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau
of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.)
The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United
States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform
Crime Statistics, 1996.)



That's a weak argument to convinve anyone they should vaccinate
themselves with something that hasn't withstood the test of time...like
I said, we still haven't figured out the possible causation of autism
from the MMR vaccine yet and that's been well over 20 years...it's also
a well known medical fact that people who live negative paranoid lives,
worrying and stress filled, are candidates for cancer...so let's make
some more paranoia for tjem so they contract it for sure...let's tell
them all they'll get cancer if they are raped! Let's hav ewomen worry
more that they may be raped...God, this world is really becoming a very
pathetic depressing place...I prefer to live my life thinking positive
thank you...



The polio vaccine is a weak argument? Rape stats are a week argument?

As far as MMR goes, there is absolutely no evidence that it causes
autism. This has been looked at over and over.

And hasn't been decided conclusively...my sister inlaw teaches autitic
kids...we have two autistic kids in the fa,ily and my other sister is a
foster care mother with 2 auristic kids...believe me, they all know what
the research going on is... that book is by no means closed...


There is no such thing as "conclusively" when it comes to anything. The
tobaco companies are still using that argument.
Your sister is, I'm sure, a fine person, but anecdotal evidence isn't
worth much.


Not anecdotal at all...she is a specially trained advocate...and has
researched the issues herself as has my SIL who holds a Master's Degree in
Education specifically of the Autistic...or are you saying that someone
with an MA isn't capable of reading research, looking at their own
personal experiences in the field and fa,ily and drawing conclusions?
http://www.vaccineinfo.net/immunizat...ismstudy.shtml


Firstly, you didn't cite any study in your original post. You said your
sisterin inlaw had an ancedotal experience. Secondly, if you read the link,
you'll see that the relationship under study is looking at the mothers
who've had the MMR, not the kids who are autistic.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Feb 6, 11:57 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On Feb 6, 12:26 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"katy" wrote in message

...

Maxprop wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
dfreenews.net...

Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like
Capt.
JG or scientests with real
credentials? Like this guy?

Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

By Timothy Ball
Monday, February 5, 2007

Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not
the
only one trying to

monster clip

question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is
the
most important question to ask
if we are to advance in the right direction.


_________________________________________________

Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project
(www.nrsp.com), is a
Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology
professor
at the University of
Winnipeg. He can be reached at

The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is
making
some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations,
the
scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys
like
Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies
made
based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the
Earth's temperature is rising.

Global warming = big bucks.

Max
All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in
Texas
with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is
just
recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then
we
find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a
former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the
cost
of
hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and
water...they
should be kept in separate containers...

My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they
decide
it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So,
what's
wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a
deadly
disease?

--
"j" ganz -Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nothing's wrong if it's a proven drug, whats wrong is our gov is going
to get rich with kickbacks.
Remeber that gov vaccination that cause all the kids with little arms
and legs?

Joe

I don't think anyone except the usual suspects are going to get rich.
It's
the right thing to do, and parents have a way to avoid it if they truly
want
to.

--
"j" ganz - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You do not understand Texas politics. Seems Gov. Perry's buddie is
pushing the drug. You know he is going to get a pick-up full of gold
in exchange for the favor. Sorta like the 747's laiden with gold
treaures for Bush sr from Kuwait, or the baseball scam jr pulled off
up in the DFW area.

Joe



Sounds fine to me... are you against capitalism? g

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"katy" wrote in message
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Keep believing all this crap that's spoon fed to you on the liveral plate,
Jon...they need velievers...they can't exist without them...I hope when
they award you with thelittle bell on a tribbon that you like the tinkly
sound it makes...


Yeah, I guess all those scientists just don't measure up to big oil and big
business when it comes to the facts.
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"katy" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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I'm assuming you mean liberals. Which facts are those? Human caused
global environmental change for the worse is happening.

Nope..it's not...


So, what you're saying is that you know more that every one of the
respected and knowledgeable scientists around the globe.

Got it.

Nope...ny husband teaches envitonmental science...has Master;'s courses to
support it...my dad is a meteorologist, my uncle was an entymologist,
another was a botanist, and another a chemist...I come from a fam,ily that
lived and lives in the scietific community...and I draw my conclusions
from what I've read, what I've heard, and what I've observed. Many of the
scientists you refer to are just as agendized to your postion as mine are
to mine. And most likely, never the twain shall meet...so you and I will
never agree on this but, in the end, we will all be gone and it won't
matter anymore..


Unfortunately, this is all going to happen in our lifetimes, and certainly
in our kids lifetimes.

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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
katy wrote:


Nope..it's not...

If we don't do something
soon, it will spiral out of control.

And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the
ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for
a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all
things end...accept that...we are not infite beings..


That may just be the strangest non-argument I've read, it basically says
that because the dinosaurs became extinct, it's perfectly fine for
mankind to hasten his extinction and we should do nothing to prevent it.
It amounts to propounding mass suicide.

Cheers
Marty


Seems reasonable to me. NOT

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Martin Baxter wrote:
katy wrote:


Nope..it's not...

If we don't do something

soon, it will spiral out of control.

And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the
ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for
a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all
things end...accept that...we are not infite beings..


That may just be the strangest non-argument I've read, it basically says
that because the dinosaurs became extinct, it's perfectly fine for
mankind to hasten his extinction and we should do nothing to prevent it.
It amounts to propounding mass suicide.

Cheers
Marty

The earth has been happy without us in the past...why wouldn't she be
happy without us in the future? Mankind will survive only of it deserves
to survive...sometimes U don't think our survival in the unicerse is a
very umportant thing...


Again, and for what I hope will be the final time... it's not a matter of
our survival. Some high percentage of humans will survive. This is about the
rest of the species and our relative comfort in a decent environment.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...


Capt. JG wrote:


"katy" wrote in message
...




Neither was the polio vaccine, but it saved countless lives. The fact
is that there exists things like rape and incest, which has nothing to
do with abstinence:

http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm

In part...

Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to
the U.S. Department of Justice.
In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault.
(NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics,
U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a
rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau
of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.)
The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United
States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform
Crime Statistics, 1996.)



That's a weak argument to convinve anyone they should vaccinate
themselves with something that hasn't withstood the test of time...like
I said, we still haven't figured out the possible causation of autism

from the MMR vaccine yet and that's been well over 20 years...it's also

a well known medical fact that people who live negative paranoid lives,
worrying and stress filled, are candidates for cancer...so let's make
some more paranoia for tjem so they contract it for sure...let's tell
them all they'll get cancer if they are raped! Let's hav ewomen worry
more that they may be raped...God, this world is really becoming a very
pathetic depressing place...I prefer to live my life thinking positive
thank you...



The polio vaccine is a weak argument? Rape stats are a week argument?

As far as MMR goes, there is absolutely no evidence that it causes
autism. This has been looked at over and over.

And hasn't been decided conclusively...my sister inlaw teaches autitic
kids...we have two autistic kids in the fa,ily and my other sister is a
foster care mother with 2 auristic kids...believe me, they all know what
the research going on is... that book is by no means closed...


There is no such thing as "conclusively" when it comes to anything. The
tobaco companies are still using that argument.
Your sister is, I'm sure, a fine person, but anecdotal evidence isn't
worth much.


Not anecdotal at all...she is a specially trained advocate...and has
researched the issues herself as has my SIL who holds a Master's Degree in
Education specifically of the Autistic...or are you saying that someone
with an MA isn't capable of reading research, looking at their own
personal experiences in the field and fa,ily and drawing conclusions?
http://www.vaccineinfo.net/immunizat...ismstudy.shtml



Firstly, you didn't cite any study in your original post. You said your
sisterin inlaw had an ancedotal experience. Secondly, if you read the link,
you'll see that the relationship under study is looking at the mothers
who've had the MMR, not the kids who are autistic.

As Nellen would asay...dug...and that isn't a co sideration here? That
these girls may down the line pass soemthing on? I don't like arguing so
I'm done with this...for every source you can pull out of the bin, I can
find an equal and opposing source...it's a no win situation..so bye...by
the way, don't you ever work at work?

Who are you gonna listen to?
 

Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Martin Baxter wrote:

katy wrote:


Nope..it's not...

If we don't do something


soon, it will spiral out of control.

And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the
ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for
a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all
things end...accept that...we are not infite beings..


That may just be the strangest non-argument I've read, it basically says
that because the dinosaurs became extinct, it's perfectly fine for
mankind to hasten his extinction and we should do nothing to prevent it.
It amounts to propounding mass suicide.

Cheers
Marty

The earth has been happy without us in the past...why wouldn't she be
happy without us in the future? Mankind will survive only of it deserves
to survive...sometimes U don't think our survival in the unicerse is a
very umportant thing...



Again, and for what I hope will be the final time... it's not a matter of
our survival. Some high percentage of humans will survive. This is about the
rest of the species and our relative comfort in a decent environment.


There's the rub...you want a perfect little life with relative comfort
and no problems... won't happen...there will always be something,
whether it is your supposed global warming scenario or the historical
cyclical passing of time on the earth...besides, you're not going to
have much vomfort anyway when the fault goes and San Grancisco sinks
into the Bay....and I imagine your environment will suffer, too...why
don't you apply yourself to trying to stop the fault from going? Makes
as much sense as trying to stop a historical and cyclical environmental
event...