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Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real
credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition."Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg." . For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why. What would happen if tomorrow we were told that, after all, the Earth is flat? It would probably be the most important piece of news in the media and would generate a lot of debate. So why is it that when scientists who have studied the Global Warming phenomenon for years say that humans are not the cause nobody listens? Why does no one acknowledge that the Emperor has no clothes on? Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets. No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong? Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976. I was as opposed to the threats of impending doom global cooling engendered as I am to the threats made about Global Warming. Let me stress I am not denying the phenomenon has occurred. The world has warmed since 1680, the nadir of a cool period called the Little Ice Age (LIA) that has generally continued to the present. These climate changes are well within natural variability and explained quite easily by changes in the sun. But there is nothing unusual going on. Since I obtained my doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College, England my career has spanned two climate cycles. Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. This proves that consensus is not a scientific fact. By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling. No doubt passive acceptance yields less stress, fewer personal attacks and makes career progress easier. What I have experienced in my personal life during the last years makes me understand why most people choose not to speak out; job security and fear of reprisals. Even in University, where free speech and challenge to prevailing wisdoms are supposedly encouraged, academics remain silent. I once received a three page letter that my lawyer defined as libellous, from an academic colleague, saying I had no right to say what I was saying, especially in public lectures. Sadly, my experience is that universities are the most dogmatic and oppressive places in our society. This becomes progressively worse as they receive more and more funding from governments that demand a particular viewpoint. In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment? Personal attacks are difficult and shouldn't occur in a debate in a civilized society. I can only consider them from what they imply. They usually indicate a person or group is losing the debate. In this case, they also indicate how political the entire Global Warming debate has become. Both underline the lack of or even contradictory nature of the evidence. I am not alone in this journey against the prevalent myth. Several well-known names have also raised their voices. Michael Crichton, the scientist, writer and filmmaker is one of them. In his latest book, "State of Fear" he takes time to explain, often in surprising detail, the flawed science behind Global Warming and other imagined environmental crises. Another cry in the wildenerness is Richard Lindzen's. He is an atmospheric physicist and a professor of meteorology at MIT, renowned for his research in dynamic meteorology - especially atmospheric waves. He is also a member of the National Academy of Sciences and has held positions at the University of Chicago, Harvard University and MIT. Linzen frequently speaks out against the notion that significant Global Warming is caused by humans. Yet nobody seems to listen. I think it may be because most people don't understand the scientific method which Thomas Kuhn so skilfully and briefly set out in his book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions." A scientist makes certain assumptions and then produces a theory which is only as valid as the assumptions. The theory of Global Warming assumes that CO2 is an atmospheric greenhouse gas and as it increases temperatures rise. It was then theorized that since humans were producing more CO2 than before, the temperature would inevitably rise. The theory was accepted before testing had started, and effectively became a law. As Lindzen said many years ago: "the consensus was reached before the research had even begun." Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists. This has reached frightening levels with these scientists now being called climate change denier with all the holocaust connotations of that word. The normal scientific method is effectively being thwarted. Meanwhile, politicians are being listened to, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change. Hence, they are in no position to question a policy on climate change when it threatens the entire planet. Moreover, using fear and creating hysteria makes it very difficult to make calm rational decisions about issues needing attention. Until you have challenged the prevailing wisdom you have no idea how nasty people can be. Until you have re-examined any issue in an attempt to find out all the information, you cannot know how much misinformation exists in the supposed age of information. I was greatly influenced several years ago by Aaron Wildavsky's book "Yes, but is it true?" The author taught political science at a New York University and realized how science was being influenced by and apparently misused by politics. He gave his graduate students an assignment to pursue the science behind a policy generated by a highly publicised environmental concern. To his and their surprise they found there was little scientific evidence, consensus and justification for the policy. You only realize the extent to which Wildavsky's findings occur when you ask the question he posed. Wildavsky's students did it in the safety of academia and with the excuse that it was an assignment. I have learned it is a difficult question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at |
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max |
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Maxprop wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... |
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hlink.net... "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Maxprop wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they decide it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a deadly disease? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:23:14 -0500, "Ellen MacArthur"
wrote: Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? http://www.desmogblog.com/tiim-ball-...johnson-update 50. The Defendants (the Calgary Herald) state that the Plaintiff (Ball) never held a reputation in the scientific community as a noted climatologist and authority on global warming. The particulars of the Plaintiff's reputation are as follows: (a) The Plaintiff has never published any research in any peer-reviewed scientific journal which addressed the topic of human contributions to greenhouse gas emissions and global warming; (b) The Plaintiff has published no papers on climatology in academically recognized peer-reviewed scientific journals since his retirement as a Professor in 1996; (c) The Plaintiff's credentials and credibility as an expert on the issue of global warming have been repeatedly disparaged in the media; and (d) The Plaintiff is viewed as a paid promoter of the agenda of the oil and gas industry rather than as a practicing scientist. Timothy F. Ball (Tim Ball) Inflates credentials http://www.desmogblog.com/timothy-f-ball-tim-ball Ball and the oil industry Ball is listed as a "consultant" of a Calgary-based global warming skeptic organization called the "Friends of Science" (FOS). In a January 28, 2007 article in the Toronto Star, the President of the FOS admitted that about one-third of the funding for the FOS is provided by the oil industry. In an August, '06 Globe and Mail feature, the FOS was exposed as being funded in part by the oil and gas sector and hiding the fact that they were. According to the Globe and Mail, the oil industry money was funneled through the Calgary Foundation charity, to the University of Calgary and then put into an education trust for the FOS. Ball inflates credentials Ball and organizations he is affiliated with have repeatedly made the claim that he is the "first Canadian PhD in climatology." Even further, Ball once claimed he was "one of the first climatology PhD's in the world." As many people have pointed out, there have been many PhD's in the field prior to Ball. Ball and the NRSP Ball is listed as an "Executive" for a Canadian group called the "Natural Resource Stewardship Project," (NRSP) a lobby organization that refuses to disclose it's funding sources. The NRSP is led by executive director Tom Harris and Dr. Tim Ball. An Oct. 16, 2006 CanWest Global news article on who funds the NRSP, it states that "a confidentiality agreement doesn't allow him [Tom Harris] to say whether energy companies are funding his group." Ball's research history Ball retired from the University of Winnipeg in 1996 and a search of 22,000 academic journals shows that, over the course of his career, Ball has published 4 pieces of original research in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject of climate change Ball has not published any new research in the last 11 years. Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition."Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg." . For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why. Dr. Tim Ball: The Lie that Just Won't Die 5 Feb 07 The deathless and - in many specific respects - completely fictional meanderings of Dr. Tim Ball have begun appearing again on right-wing blogs all over the net. At City Troll, at Convenient Untruth and at New Orleans Lady, the same tired and retreaded old climate rant paints Dr. Ball as the courageous victim of a plot to silence a well-meaning skeptic. But Ball can't even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message dfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. No...humans are so short sighted that they ignore the fact that they cannot control Mother nature and that the earth is not static and changes constatly...the next "theiry" will be that we are somehow responsible for the cooling of the sun. |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message adfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they decide it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a deadly disease? The vaccine is unproven. You don't remember thalidomide? We are still investigating the possibilities that MMR vaccines are respinsible for the rise in autism. And once again, we're talking about legislation about a sexualy transmitted condition. No sex...no cancer. Ny the time the current crop of 11-15 year old are 18, there will be some time to sit back and see what the actual results are from those who vilunteer to take the risk. |
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"katy" wrote in message ... No...humans are so short sighted that they ignore the fact that they cannot control Mother nature and that the earth is not static and changes constatly...the next "theiry" will be that we are somehow responsible for the cooling of the sun. We are, it's all those solar panels using up the sun. Scotty |
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"katy" wrote in message ... No...humans are so short sighted that they ignore the fact that they cannot control Mother nature and that the earth is not static and changes constatly...the next "theiry" will be that we are somehow responsible for the cooling of the sun. We are, it's all those solar panels using up the sun. Scotty And here I thought it was mirror windowed buildings reflecting it backa nd burning it out... |
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On Feb 6, 12:26 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message dfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they decide it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a deadly disease? -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nothing's wrong if it's a proven drug, whats wrong is our gov is going to get rich with kickbacks. Remeber that gov vaccination that cause all the kids with little arms and legs? Joe |
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On Feb 6, 12:26 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message eadfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they decide it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a deadly disease? -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nothing's wrong if it's a proven drug, whats wrong is our gov is going to get rich with kickbacks. Remeber that gov vaccination that cause all the kids with little arms and legs? Joe \im...Joe...that was thalidomide....already been metioned...twice, I believe...drug was supposed to stop miscarriage...sure did... |
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Dave wrote:
Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Hmmm..... pot ..... kettle ??? Cheers Marty |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message eadfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they decide it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a deadly disease? The vaccine is unproven. You don't remember thalidomide? We are still investigating the possibilities that MMR vaccines are respinsible for the rise in autism. And once again, we're talking about legislation about a sexualy transmitted condition. No sex...no cancer. Ny the time the current crop of 11-15 year old are 18, there will be some time to sit back and see what the actual results are from those who vilunteer to take the risk. Actually, the vaccine is well-proven from what I've read, and it will save lives. The argument that it'll promote underage sexual behavior is a scare tactic used by the religious right. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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oups.com... On Feb 6, 12:26 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message dfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they decide it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a deadly disease? -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nothing's wrong if it's a proven drug, whats wrong is our gov is going to get rich with kickbacks. Remeber that gov vaccination that cause all the kids with little arms and legs? Joe I don't think anyone except the usual suspects are going to get rich. It's the right thing to do, and parents have a way to avoid it if they truly want to. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Joe wrote: On Feb 6, 12:26 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message . readfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they decide it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a deadly disease? -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nothing's wrong if it's a proven drug, whats wrong is our gov is going to get rich with kickbacks. Remeber that gov vaccination that cause all the kids with little arms and legs? Joe \im...Joe...that was thalidomide....already been metioned...twice, I believe...drug was supposed to stop miscarriage...sure did... Note... read about it here... the vaccine to prevent cancer is in a completely different league of drugs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message adfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. No...humans are so short sighted that they ignore the fact that they cannot control Mother nature and that the earth is not static and changes constatly...the next "theiry" will be that we are somehow responsible for the cooling of the sun. We absolutely can affect Mother Nature. We're doing it right now with air and water pollution. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. No. It's an article of faith in science. Rightwing nuts have no interest in facts. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Dave wrote: Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Hmmm..... pot ..... kettle ??? Cheers Marty You're more articulate than I. Oops... sorry Mundo. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message . readfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they decide it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a deadly disease? The vaccine is unproven. You don't remember thalidomide? We are still investigating the possibilities that MMR vaccines are respinsible for the rise in autism. And once again, we're talking about legislation about a sexualy transmitted condition. No sex...no cancer. Ny the time the current crop of 11-15 year old are 18, there will be some time to sit back and see what the actual results are from those who vilunteer to take the risk. Actually, the vaccine is well-proven from what I've read, and it will save lives. The argument that it'll promote underage sexual behavior is a scare tactic used by the religious right. Actually it has not been in existance long enough to have withstood any test of time...are their women out their who have been vaccinated who have reached menarche yet? How many have had children? Have those children had children yet to see if there is any residual genetic effect? ANd I said nothing about sexual activity other than the comment that if you don't have sex, you won't get papiloma virus...which is true... |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Maxprop" wrote in message arthlink.net... "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message eadfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. No...humans are so short sighted that they ignore the fact that they cannot control Mother nature and that the earth is not static and changes constatly...the next "theiry" will be that we are somehow responsible for the cooling of the sun. We absolutely can affect Mother Nature. We're doing it right now with air and water pollution. And Mother Nature, as she always does, will take over in the end and we will either adapt to her or we'll go the way of the dinosaurs...keep being a sheep, Jon...air and water pollution hurt humanity...humanity must choose to do something about that in regards to the effects it has on health, but it hasn't much to do with historical and cyclical global warming or cooling... |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. No. It's an article of faith in science. Rightwing nuts have no interest in facts. And liveral create facts out of whole cloth becasue that's the way they want it to be...and if they lie long enough and persistently enough, enough people believe them and make it so... |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message .readfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they decide it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a deadly disease? The vaccine is unproven. You don't remember thalidomide? We are still investigating the possibilities that MMR vaccines are respinsible for the rise in autism. And once again, we're talking about legislation about a sexualy transmitted condition. No sex...no cancer. Ny the time the current crop of 11-15 year old are 18, there will be some time to sit back and see what the actual results are from those who vilunteer to take the risk. Actually, the vaccine is well-proven from what I've read, and it will save lives. The argument that it'll promote underage sexual behavior is a scare tactic used by the religious right. Actually it has not been in existance long enough to have withstood any test of time...are their women out their who have been vaccinated who have reached menarche yet? How many have had children? Have those children had children yet to see if there is any residual genetic effect? ANd I said nothing about sexual activity other than the comment that if you don't have sex, you won't get papiloma virus...which is true... Neither was the polio vaccine, but it saved countless lives. The fact is that there exists things like rape and incest, which has nothing to do with abstinence: http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm In part... Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.) Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.) The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:32:25 -0500, katy wrote: ANd I said nothing about sexual activity other than the comment that if you don't have sex, you won't get papiloma virus...which is true... I guess you missed the part where they said they were giving this to Texan girls. They can't even pronounce the word "abstinence" CWM Oh..I thought that was becasue they are Baptist and Nazarene, not Texans.. |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Maxprop" wrote in message . earthlink.net... "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message . readfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. No...humans are so short sighted that they ignore the fact that they cannot control Mother nature and that the earth is not static and changes constatly...the next "theiry" will be that we are somehow responsible for the cooling of the sun. We absolutely can affect Mother Nature. We're doing it right now with air and water pollution. And Mother Nature, as she always does, will take over in the end and we will either adapt to her or we'll go the way of the dinosaurs...keep being a sheep, Jon...air and water pollution hurt humanity...humanity must choose to do something about that in regards to the effects it has on health, but it hasn't much to do with historical and cyclical global warming or cooling... Being a sheep means knowing what's coming and doing nothing. It has everything to do with historical and cyclical global warming or cooling. The fact is that we're changing the climate and we need to do something or it will get out of control and millions will suffer and/or die. I guess it's easy to be a sheep and follow whatever Dick Cheney and big oil tells you, but I'm willing to put more stock in what just about every climatologist is telling us. Those with an agenda of big money and big oil are not interested in anyone except themselves. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message w.readfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they decide it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a deadly disease? The vaccine is unproven. You don't remember thalidomide? We are still investigating the possibilities that MMR vaccines are respinsible for the rise in autism. And once again, we're talking about legislation about a sexualy transmitted condition. No sex...no cancer. Ny the time the current crop of 11-15 year old are 18, there will be some time to sit back and see what the actual results are from those who vilunteer to take the risk. Actually, the vaccine is well-proven from what I've read, and it will save lives. The argument that it'll promote underage sexual behavior is a scare tactic used by the religious right. Actually it has not been in existance long enough to have withstood any test of time...are their women out their who have been vaccinated who have reached menarche yet? How many have had children? Have those children had children yet to see if there is any residual genetic effect? ANd I said nothing about sexual activity other than the comment that if you don't have sex, you won't get papiloma virus...which is true... Neither was the polio vaccine, but it saved countless lives. The fact is that there exists things like rape and incest, which has nothing to do with abstinence: http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm In part... Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.) Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.) The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.) That's a weak argument to convinve anyone they should vaccinate themselves with something that hasn't withstood the test of time...like I said, we still haven't figured out the possible causation of autism from the MMR vaccine yet and that's been well over 20 years...it's also a well known medical fact that people who live negative paranoid lives, worrying and stress filled, are candidates for cancer...so let's make some more paranoia for tjem so they contract it for sure...let's tell them all they'll get cancer if they are raped! Let's hav ewomen worry more that they may be raped...God, this world is really becoming a very pathetic depressing place...I prefer to live my life thinking positive thank you... |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. No. It's an article of faith in science. Rightwing nuts have no interest in facts. And liveral create facts out of whole cloth becasue that's the way they want it to be...and if they lie long enough and persistently enough, enough people believe them and make it so... I'm assuming you mean liberals. Which facts are those? Human caused global environmental change for the worse is happening. If we don't do something soon, it will spiral out of control. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Neither was the polio vaccine, but it saved countless lives. The fact is that there exists things like rape and incest, which has nothing to do with abstinence: http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm In part... Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.) Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.) The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.) That's a weak argument to convinve anyone they should vaccinate themselves with something that hasn't withstood the test of time...like I said, we still haven't figured out the possible causation of autism from the MMR vaccine yet and that's been well over 20 years...it's also a well known medical fact that people who live negative paranoid lives, worrying and stress filled, are candidates for cancer...so let's make some more paranoia for tjem so they contract it for sure...let's tell them all they'll get cancer if they are raped! Let's hav ewomen worry more that they may be raped...God, this world is really becoming a very pathetic depressing place...I prefer to live my life thinking positive thank you... The polio vaccine is a weak argument? Rape stats are a week argument? As far as MMR goes, there is absolutely no evidence that it causes autism. This has been looked at over and over. You still haven't said why it's a problem if there's an opt out for parents who don't agree morally or on religious grounds. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Maxprop" wrote in message .earthlink.net... "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message .readfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. No...humans are so short sighted that they ignore the fact that they cannot control Mother nature and that the earth is not static and changes constatly...the next "theiry" will be that we are somehow responsible for the cooling of the sun. We absolutely can affect Mother Nature. We're doing it right now with air and water pollution. And Mother Nature, as she always does, will take over in the end and we will either adapt to her or we'll go the way of the dinosaurs...keep being a sheep, Jon...air and water pollution hurt humanity...humanity must choose to do something about that in regards to the effects it has on health, but it hasn't much to do with historical and cyclical global warming or cooling... Being a sheep means knowing what's coming and doing nothing. Well, that explains it...you know nothing about sheep or their behavior...sheep know little and runi in blind fear...they also follow willingly for no reason other than they're sheep and that's what sheep do.. It has everything to do with historical and cyclical global warming or cooling. The fact is that we're changing the climate We are not changing the climate...my God, you do think humans are omnipotent, don't you? We are not capable of sich feats...ya know...watching sci fi channel is fun but when you start believing some of that crap you're in trouble... and we need to do something or it will get out of control and millions will suffer and/or die. I guess it's easy to be a sheep and follow whatever Dick Cheney and big oil tells you, but I'm willing to put more stock in what just about every climatologist is telling us. Those with an agenda of big money and big oil are not interested in anyone except themselves. So move to Cuba..they'll love you there... |
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Hmmm..... pot ..... kettle ??? Cheers Marty You're more articulate than I. Oops... sorry Mundo. It's Ok for us articulates to call each other articulate, but those inarticulates better not! Cheers Marty |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. No. It's an article of faith in science. Rightwing nuts have no interest in facts. And liveral create facts out of whole cloth becasue that's the way they want it to be...and if they lie long enough and persistently enough, enough people believe them and make it so... I'm assuming you mean liberals. Which facts are those? Human caused global environmental change for the worse is happening. Nope..it's not... If we don't do something soon, it will spiral out of control. And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all things end...accept that...we are not infite beings.. |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Neither was the polio vaccine, but it saved countless lives. The fact is that there exists things like rape and incest, which has nothing to do with abstinence: http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm In part... Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.) Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.) The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.) That's a weak argument to convinve anyone they should vaccinate themselves with something that hasn't withstood the test of time...like I said, we still haven't figured out the possible causation of autism from the MMR vaccine yet and that's been well over 20 years...it's also a well known medical fact that people who live negative paranoid lives, worrying and stress filled, are candidates for cancer...so let's make some more paranoia for tjem so they contract it for sure...let's tell them all they'll get cancer if they are raped! Let's hav ewomen worry more that they may be raped...God, this world is really becoming a very pathetic depressing place...I prefer to live my life thinking positive thank you... The polio vaccine is a weak argument? Rape stats are a week argument? As far as MMR goes, there is absolutely no evidence that it causes autism. This has been looked at over and over. And hasn't been decided conclusively...my sister inlaw teaches autitic kids...we have two autistic kids in the fa,ily and my other sister is a foster care mother with 2 auristic kids...believe me, they all know what the research going on is... that book is by no means closed... You still haven't said why it's a problem if there's an opt out for parents who don't agree morally or on religious grounds. Becasuse a person as a parent shouldn't have to use religion or their morality to make health decisions of that sort for their children. This is not a disease that is spread in the schoolyard like mimps or measles or even chicken pox...it is not polio which is transmissable in the environment or like TB...this is a cancer that invades the body from a specific activity, sex...the vector for it is very limited...your average child is not going to contract it on the playfround (one would hope)... |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Neither was the polio vaccine, but it saved countless lives. The fact is that there exists things like rape and incest, which has nothing to do with abstinence: http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm In part... Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.) Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.) The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.) That's a weak argument to convinve anyone they should vaccinate themselves with something that hasn't withstood the test of time...like I said, we still haven't figured out the possible causation of autism from the MMR vaccine yet and that's been well over 20 years...it's also a well known medical fact that people who live negative paranoid lives, worrying and stress filled, are candidates for cancer...so let's make some more paranoia for tjem so they contract it for sure...let's tell them all they'll get cancer if they are raped! Let's hav ewomen worry more that they may be raped...God, this world is really becoming a very pathetic depressing place...I prefer to live my life thinking positive thank you... The polio vaccine is a weak argument? Rape stats are a week argument? As far as MMR goes, there is absolutely no evidence that it causes autism. This has been looked at over and over. And hasn't been decided conclusively...my sister inlaw teaches autitic kids...we have two autistic kids in the fa,ily and my other sister is a foster care mother with 2 auristic kids...believe me, they all know what the research going on is... that book is by no means closed... There is no such thing as "conclusively" when it comes to anything. The tobaco companies are still using that argument. Your sister is, I'm sure, a fine person, but anecdotal evidence isn't worth much. You still haven't said why it's a problem if there's an opt out for parents who don't agree morally or on religious grounds. Becasuse a person as a parent shouldn't have to use religion or their morality to make health decisions of that sort for their children. This is not a disease that is spread in the schoolyard like mimps or measles or even chicken pox...it is not polio which is transmissable in the environment or like TB...this is a cancer that invades the body from a specific activity, sex...the vector for it is very limited...your average child is not going to contract it on the playfround (one would hope)... Why not? People use that for lots and lots of things. Christian Scientists try to use it for preventing life-saving intervention. I think the key phrase is "one would hope." Why hope when you can prevent it? Sounds awfully like faith-based pseudo-medicine to me. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message
... And Mother Nature, as she always does, will take over in the end and we will either adapt to her or we'll go the way of the dinosaurs...keep being a sheep, Jon...air and water pollution hurt humanity...humanity must choose to do something about that in regards to the effects it has on health, but it hasn't much to do with historical and cyclical global warming or cooling... Being a sheep means knowing what's coming and doing nothing. Well, that explains it...you know nothing about sheep or their behavior...sheep know little and runi in blind fear...they also follow willingly for no reason other than they're sheep and that's what sheep do.. It has everything to do with historical and cyclical global warming or cooling. The fact is that we're changing the climate You're acting like a sheep if you follow the rest of the crowd into danger without questioning what you're doing. I don't have to be familiar with the behavior of farm animals, but feel free to use that spurious argument when you have no other available. We are not changing the climate...my God, you do think humans are omnipotent, don't you? We are not capable of sich feats...ya know...watching sci fi channel is fun but when you start believing some of that crap you're in trouble... We absolutely are. We're increasing the temperature and we're increasing the pollutants in the atmosphere, which will result in highly variable weather. This will cause untold millions to suffer and die. and we need to do something or it will get out of control and millions will suffer and/or die. I guess it's easy to be a sheep and follow whatever Dick Cheney and big oil tells you, but I'm willing to put more stock in what just about every climatologist is telling us. Those with an agenda of big money and big oil are not interested in anyone except themselves. So move to Cuba..they'll love you there... So, that's all you can do... don't like what the gov't is doing, so I should leave? Ad hominem attacks are next I'm sure. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message
... I'm assuming you mean liberals. Which facts are those? Human caused global environmental change for the worse is happening. Nope..it's not... So, what you're saying is that you know more that every one of the respected and knowledgeable scientists around the globe. Got it. If we don't do something soon, it will spiral out of control. And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all things end...accept that...we are not infite beings.. No, humans will generally survive. We just won't be very comfortable. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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katy wrote:
Nope..it's not... If we don't do something soon, it will spiral out of control. And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all things end...accept that...we are not infite beings.. That may just be the strangest non-argument I've read, it basically says that because the dinosaurs became extinct, it's perfectly fine for mankind to hasten his extinction and we should do nothing to prevent it. It amounts to propounding mass suicide. Cheers Marty |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Neither was the polio vaccine, but it saved countless lives. The fact is that there exists things like rape and incest, which has nothing to do with abstinence: http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm In part... Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.) Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.) The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.) That's a weak argument to convinve anyone they should vaccinate themselves with something that hasn't withstood the test of time...like I said, we still haven't figured out the possible causation of autism from the MMR vaccine yet and that's been well over 20 years...it's also a well known medical fact that people who live negative paranoid lives, worrying and stress filled, are candidates for cancer...so let's make some more paranoia for tjem so they contract it for sure...let's tell them all they'll get cancer if they are raped! Let's hav ewomen worry more that they may be raped...God, this world is really becoming a very pathetic depressing place...I prefer to live my life thinking positive thank you... The polio vaccine is a weak argument? Rape stats are a week argument? As far as MMR goes, there is absolutely no evidence that it causes autism. This has been looked at over and over. And hasn't been decided conclusively...my sister inlaw teaches autitic kids...we have two autistic kids in the fa,ily and my other sister is a foster care mother with 2 auristic kids...believe me, they all know what the research going on is... that book is by no means closed... There is no such thing as "conclusively" when it comes to anything. The tobaco companies are still using that argument. Your sister is, I'm sure, a fine person, but anecdotal evidence isn't worth much. Not anecdotal at all...she is a specially trained advocate...and has researched the issues herself as has my SIL who holds a Master's Degree in Education specifically of the Autistic...or are you saying that someone with an MA isn't capable of reading research, looking at their own personal experiences in the field and fa,ily and drawing conclusions? http://www.vaccineinfo.net/immunizat...ismstudy.shtml |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... And Mother Nature, as she always does, will take over in the end and we will either adapt to her or we'll go the way of the dinosaurs...keep being a sheep, Jon...air and water pollution hurt humanity...humanity must choose to do something about that in regards to the effects it has on health, but it hasn't much to do with historical and cyclical global warming or cooling... Being a sheep means knowing what's coming and doing nothing. Well, that explains it...you know nothing about sheep or their behavior...sheep know little and runi in blind fear...they also follow willingly for no reason other than they're sheep and that's what sheep do.. It has everything to do with historical and cyclical global warming or cooling. The fact is that we're changing the climate You're acting like a sheep if you follow the rest of the crowd into danger without questioning what you're doing. I don't have to be familiar with the behavior of farm animals, but feel free to use that spurious argument when you have no other available. We are not changing the climate...my God, you do think humans are omnipotent, don't you? We are not capable of sich feats...ya know...watching sci fi channel is fun but when you start believing some of that crap you're in trouble... We absolutely are. We're increasing the temperature and we're increasing the pollutants in the atmosphere, which will result in highly variable weather. This will cause untold millions to suffer and die. and we need to do something or it will get out of control and millions will suffer and/or die. I guess it's easy to be a sheep and follow whatever Dick Cheney and big oil tells you, but I'm willing to put more stock in what just about every climatologist is telling us. Those with an agenda of big money and big oil are not interested in anyone except themselves. So move to Cuba..they'll love you there... So, that's all you can do... don't like what the gov't is doing, so I should leave? Ad hominem attacks are next I'm sure. Keep believing all this crap that's spoon fed to you on the liveral plate, Jon...they need velievers...they can't exist without them...I hope when they award you with thelittle bell on a tribbon that you like the tinkly sound it makes... |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... I'm assuming you mean liberals. Which facts are those? Human caused global environmental change for the worse is happening. Nope..it's not... So, what you're saying is that you know more that every one of the respected and knowledgeable scientists around the globe. Got it. Nope...ny husband teaches envitonmental science...has Master;'s courses to support it...my dad is a meteorologist, my uncle was an entymologist, another was a botanist, and another a chemist...I come from a fam,ily that lived and lives in the scietific community...and I draw my conclusions from what I've read, what I've heard, and what I've observed. Many of the scientists you refer to are just as agendized to your postion as mine are to mine. And most likely, never the twain shall meet...so you and I will never agree on this but, in the end, we will all be gone and it won't matter anymore.. If we don't do something soon, it will spiral out of control. And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all things end...accept that...we are not infite beings.. No, humans will generally survive. We just won't be very comfortable. |
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Martin Baxter wrote:
katy wrote: Nope..it's not... If we don't do something soon, it will spiral out of control. And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all things end...accept that...we are not infite beings.. That may just be the strangest non-argument I've read, it basically says that because the dinosaurs became extinct, it's perfectly fine for mankind to hasten his extinction and we should do nothing to prevent it. It amounts to propounding mass suicide. Cheers Marty The earth has been happy without us in the past...why wouldn't she be happy without us in the future? Mankind will survive only of it deserves to survive...sometimes U don't think our survival in the unicerse is a very umportant thing... |
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