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On Feb 6, 11:57 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 6, 12:26 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message dfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they decide it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a deadly disease? -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nothing's wrong if it's a proven drug, whats wrong is our gov is going to get rich with kickbacks. Remeber that gov vaccination that cause all the kids with little arms and legs? Joe I don't think anyone except the usual suspects are going to get rich. It's the right thing to do, and parents have a way to avoid it if they truly want to. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You do not understand Texas politics. Seems Gov. Perry's buddie is pushing the drug. You know he is going to get a pick-up full of gold in exchange for the favor. Sorta like the 747's laiden with gold treaures for Bush sr from Kuwait, or the baseball scam jr pulled off up in the DFW area. Joe |
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On Feb 6, 12:41 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:32:25 -0500, katy wrote: ANd I said nothing about sexual activity other than the comment that if you don't have sex, you won't get papiloma virus...which is true... I guess you missed the part where they said they were giving this to Texan girls. They can't even pronounce the word "abstinence" CWM What's wrong BB? jealous ? Let me guess, you did not get laid until after you flunked out of Harvard right? BTW thoses Norwalk girls only practiced abstinence with you. Joe |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Neither was the polio vaccine, but it saved countless lives. The fact is that there exists things like rape and incest, which has nothing to do with abstinence: http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm In part... Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.) Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.) The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.) That's a weak argument to convinve anyone they should vaccinate themselves with something that hasn't withstood the test of time...like I said, we still haven't figured out the possible causation of autism from the MMR vaccine yet and that's been well over 20 years...it's also a well known medical fact that people who live negative paranoid lives, worrying and stress filled, are candidates for cancer...so let's make some more paranoia for tjem so they contract it for sure...let's tell them all they'll get cancer if they are raped! Let's hav ewomen worry more that they may be raped...God, this world is really becoming a very pathetic depressing place...I prefer to live my life thinking positive thank you... The polio vaccine is a weak argument? Rape stats are a week argument? As far as MMR goes, there is absolutely no evidence that it causes autism. This has been looked at over and over. And hasn't been decided conclusively...my sister inlaw teaches autitic kids...we have two autistic kids in the fa,ily and my other sister is a foster care mother with 2 auristic kids...believe me, they all know what the research going on is... that book is by no means closed... There is no such thing as "conclusively" when it comes to anything. The tobaco companies are still using that argument. Your sister is, I'm sure, a fine person, but anecdotal evidence isn't worth much. Not anecdotal at all...she is a specially trained advocate...and has researched the issues herself as has my SIL who holds a Master's Degree in Education specifically of the Autistic...or are you saying that someone with an MA isn't capable of reading research, looking at their own personal experiences in the field and fa,ily and drawing conclusions? http://www.vaccineinfo.net/immunizat...ismstudy.shtml Firstly, you didn't cite any study in your original post. You said your sisterin inlaw had an ancedotal experience. Secondly, if you read the link, you'll see that the relationship under study is looking at the mothers who've had the MMR, not the kids who are autistic. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com... On Feb 6, 11:57 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 6, 12:26 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message dfreenews.net... Are you gonna listen to LSD 10X popping flashback people like Capt. JG or scientests with real credentials? Like this guy? Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007 Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to monster clip question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction. _________________________________________________ Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at The only thing that is absolute about global warming is that it is making some folks rich. The leaders of anti-greenhouse gas organizations, the scientists gobbling up federal grant money for research on gw, guys like Al Gore, who write and publish books on the subject and get movies made based upon their books, etc., are making money way faster than the Earth's temperature is rising. Global warming = big bucks. Max All boils down to politics is big bucks...akin to what's going on in Texas with the mandatory inoculation of little girls with an agent that is just recently on the market and hasn't been tested by time yet. ANd then we find that the press secretary or whatever of the governor of TX is a former lobbyist for Merck Labs, which produces the vaccine a the cost of hundreds per girl....politicians and science are like oil and water...they should be kept in separate containers... My understanding is that parents can opt their daughters out if they decide it is either morally objectionable or against their religion. So, what's wrong with the requirement to have young girls vaccinated against a deadly disease? -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nothing's wrong if it's a proven drug, whats wrong is our gov is going to get rich with kickbacks. Remeber that gov vaccination that cause all the kids with little arms and legs? Joe I don't think anyone except the usual suspects are going to get rich. It's the right thing to do, and parents have a way to avoid it if they truly want to. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You do not understand Texas politics. Seems Gov. Perry's buddie is pushing the drug. You know he is going to get a pick-up full of gold in exchange for the favor. Sorta like the 747's laiden with gold treaures for Bush sr from Kuwait, or the baseball scam jr pulled off up in the DFW area. Joe Sounds fine to me... are you against capitalism? g -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Keep believing all this crap that's spoon fed to you on the liveral plate, Jon...they need velievers...they can't exist without them...I hope when they award you with thelittle bell on a tribbon that you like the tinkly sound it makes... Yeah, I guess all those scientists just don't measure up to big oil and big business when it comes to the facts. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... I'm assuming you mean liberals. Which facts are those? Human caused global environmental change for the worse is happening. Nope..it's not... So, what you're saying is that you know more that every one of the respected and knowledgeable scientists around the globe. Got it. Nope...ny husband teaches envitonmental science...has Master;'s courses to support it...my dad is a meteorologist, my uncle was an entymologist, another was a botanist, and another a chemist...I come from a fam,ily that lived and lives in the scietific community...and I draw my conclusions from what I've read, what I've heard, and what I've observed. Many of the scientists you refer to are just as agendized to your postion as mine are to mine. And most likely, never the twain shall meet...so you and I will never agree on this but, in the end, we will all be gone and it won't matter anymore.. Unfortunately, this is all going to happen in our lifetimes, and certainly in our kids lifetimes. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... katy wrote: Nope..it's not... If we don't do something soon, it will spiral out of control. And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all things end...accept that...we are not infite beings.. That may just be the strangest non-argument I've read, it basically says that because the dinosaurs became extinct, it's perfectly fine for mankind to hasten his extinction and we should do nothing to prevent it. It amounts to propounding mass suicide. Cheers Marty Seems reasonable to me. NOT -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Martin Baxter wrote: katy wrote: Nope..it's not... If we don't do something soon, it will spiral out of control. And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all things end...accept that...we are not infite beings.. That may just be the strangest non-argument I've read, it basically says that because the dinosaurs became extinct, it's perfectly fine for mankind to hasten his extinction and we should do nothing to prevent it. It amounts to propounding mass suicide. Cheers Marty The earth has been happy without us in the past...why wouldn't she be happy without us in the future? Mankind will survive only of it deserves to survive...sometimes U don't think our survival in the unicerse is a very umportant thing... Again, and for what I hope will be the final time... it's not a matter of our survival. Some high percentage of humans will survive. This is about the rest of the species and our relative comfort in a decent environment. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Neither was the polio vaccine, but it saved countless lives. The fact is that there exists things like rape and incest, which has nothing to do with abstinence: http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm In part... Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.) Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.) The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.) That's a weak argument to convinve anyone they should vaccinate themselves with something that hasn't withstood the test of time...like I said, we still haven't figured out the possible causation of autism from the MMR vaccine yet and that's been well over 20 years...it's also a well known medical fact that people who live negative paranoid lives, worrying and stress filled, are candidates for cancer...so let's make some more paranoia for tjem so they contract it for sure...let's tell them all they'll get cancer if they are raped! Let's hav ewomen worry more that they may be raped...God, this world is really becoming a very pathetic depressing place...I prefer to live my life thinking positive thank you... The polio vaccine is a weak argument? Rape stats are a week argument? As far as MMR goes, there is absolutely no evidence that it causes autism. This has been looked at over and over. And hasn't been decided conclusively...my sister inlaw teaches autitic kids...we have two autistic kids in the fa,ily and my other sister is a foster care mother with 2 auristic kids...believe me, they all know what the research going on is... that book is by no means closed... There is no such thing as "conclusively" when it comes to anything. The tobaco companies are still using that argument. Your sister is, I'm sure, a fine person, but anecdotal evidence isn't worth much. Not anecdotal at all...she is a specially trained advocate...and has researched the issues herself as has my SIL who holds a Master's Degree in Education specifically of the Autistic...or are you saying that someone with an MA isn't capable of reading research, looking at their own personal experiences in the field and fa,ily and drawing conclusions? http://www.vaccineinfo.net/immunizat...ismstudy.shtml Firstly, you didn't cite any study in your original post. You said your sisterin inlaw had an ancedotal experience. Secondly, if you read the link, you'll see that the relationship under study is looking at the mothers who've had the MMR, not the kids who are autistic. As Nellen would asay...dug...and that isn't a co sideration here? That these girls may down the line pass soemthing on? I don't like arguing so I'm done with this...for every source you can pull out of the bin, I can find an equal and opposing source...it's a no win situation..so bye...by the way, don't you ever work at work? |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Martin Baxter wrote: katy wrote: Nope..it's not... If we don't do something soon, it will spiral out of control. And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all things end...accept that...we are not infite beings.. That may just be the strangest non-argument I've read, it basically says that because the dinosaurs became extinct, it's perfectly fine for mankind to hasten his extinction and we should do nothing to prevent it. It amounts to propounding mass suicide. Cheers Marty The earth has been happy without us in the past...why wouldn't she be happy without us in the future? Mankind will survive only of it deserves to survive...sometimes U don't think our survival in the unicerse is a very umportant thing... Again, and for what I hope will be the final time... it's not a matter of our survival. Some high percentage of humans will survive. This is about the rest of the species and our relative comfort in a decent environment. There's the rub...you want a perfect little life with relative comfort and no problems... won't happen...there will always be something, whether it is your supposed global warming scenario or the historical cyclical passing of time on the earth...besides, you're not going to have much vomfort anyway when the fault goes and San Grancisco sinks into the Bay....and I imagine your environment will suffer, too...why don't you apply yourself to trying to stop the fault from going? Makes as much sense as trying to stop a historical and cyclical environmental event... |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Neither was the polio vaccine, but it saved countless lives. The fact is that there exists things like rape and incest, which has nothing to do with abstinence: http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm In part... Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.) Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.) The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.) That's a weak argument to convinve anyone they should vaccinate themselves with something that hasn't withstood the test of time...like I said, we still haven't figured out the possible causation of autism from the MMR vaccine yet and that's been well over 20 years...it's also a well known medical fact that people who live negative paranoid lives, worrying and stress filled, are candidates for cancer...so let's make some more paranoia for tjem so they contract it for sure...let's tell them all they'll get cancer if they are raped! Let's hav ewomen worry more that they may be raped...God, this world is really becoming a very pathetic depressing place...I prefer to live my life thinking positive thank you... The polio vaccine is a weak argument? Rape stats are a week argument? As far as MMR goes, there is absolutely no evidence that it causes autism. This has been looked at over and over. And hasn't been decided conclusively...my sister inlaw teaches autitic kids...we have two autistic kids in the fa,ily and my other sister is a foster care mother with 2 auristic kids...believe me, they all know what the research going on is... that book is by no means closed... There is no such thing as "conclusively" when it comes to anything. The tobaco companies are still using that argument. Your sister is, I'm sure, a fine person, but anecdotal evidence isn't worth much. Not anecdotal at all...she is a specially trained advocate...and has researched the issues herself as has my SIL who holds a Master's Degree in Education specifically of the Autistic...or are you saying that someone with an MA isn't capable of reading research, looking at their own personal experiences in the field and fa,ily and drawing conclusions? http://www.vaccineinfo.net/immunizat...ismstudy.shtml Firstly, you didn't cite any study in your original post. You said your sisterin inlaw had an ancedotal experience. Secondly, if you read the link, you'll see that the relationship under study is looking at the mothers who've had the MMR, not the kids who are autistic. As Nellen would asay...dug...and that isn't a co sideration here? That these girls may down the line pass soemthing on? I don't like arguing so I'm done with this...for every source you can pull out of the bin, I can find an equal and opposing source...it's a no win situation..so bye...by the way, don't you ever work at work? I'm able to work at work at home or on the boat this week. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Martin Baxter wrote: katy wrote: Nope..it's not... If we don't do something soon, it will spiral out of control. And then we, like the dinosaurs, will be no more except fossils in the ground and the earth will keep spinning, the sun will keeo shining (for a while) and the universe will go on until the next Big Bang...all things end...accept that...we are not infite beings.. That may just be the strangest non-argument I've read, it basically says that because the dinosaurs became extinct, it's perfectly fine for mankind to hasten his extinction and we should do nothing to prevent it. It amounts to propounding mass suicide. Cheers Marty The earth has been happy without us in the past...why wouldn't she be happy without us in the future? Mankind will survive only of it deserves to survive...sometimes U don't think our survival in the unicerse is a very umportant thing... Again, and for what I hope will be the final time... it's not a matter of our survival. Some high percentage of humans will survive. This is about the rest of the species and our relative comfort in a decent environment. There's the rub...you want a perfect little life with relative comfort and no problems... won't happen...there will always be something, whether it is your supposed global warming scenario or the historical cyclical passing of time on the earth...besides, you're not going to have much vomfort anyway when the fault goes and San Grancisco sinks into the Bay....and I imagine your environment will suffer, too...why don't you apply yourself to trying to stop the fault from going? Makes as much sense as trying to stop a historical and cyclical environmental event... Never said I want a perfect little life with relative comfort, although I wouldn't mind and certainly hope to have the latter. Why won't it happen? Seems pretty reasonable and doable, and I'm willing to forgo some of my relative comfort for the greater good. I think that's reasonable also. I don't live in SF nor nearby particularly. Not too worried about earthquakes. If I'm on my boat, I'll try to ride out the tsunami. And, once again, the historical cyclical cycle of warm and cold have nothing whatever to do with the FACT of human significant contribution to the impending global disaster. We have the ability to control ourselves with respect to our global environment, and to mitigate the extreme volitility that will be and is currently caused by our pollution. I think we should do so. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote I'm assuming you mean liberals. Which facts are those? Human caused global environmental change for the worse is happening. If we don't do something soon, it will spiral out of control. It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen |
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... On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:00:26 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: No. It's an article of faith in science. I'm sure you have no conception of the extent to which that statement is an oxymoron. But I trust other appreciate it. Actually, it's not an oxymoron, because that would imply that I don't understand science another religion. It just happens to be based on facts, which should preceed beliefs. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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says... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:00:26 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: No. It's an article of faith in science. I'm sure you have no conception of the extent to which that statement is an oxymoron. But I trust other appreciate it. Actually, it's not an oxymoron, because that would imply that I don't understand science another religion. It just happens to be based on facts, which should preceed beliefs. You're right, you're not an oxymoron. Just a plain old garden variety moron. Nothing fancy. -- "Tis an ill wind that blows no minds" ....PK |
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It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic
circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. Even if the environmentalists are wrong about global warming, is burning less fossil fuels, consuming less in general, and putting less crap in our environment really a bad idea? Do we have to have 100% conclusive proof that what we are doing will cause global human distruction before we decide not to live in filth? Everyone I have ever heard that argues that we shouldn't do anything to stop/prevent global warming always says that there is no conclusive proof so we should just keep doing what we are doing and not think about it because some body might make money off that change. A lot of evidence has shown that there is a shift in global climate in the last 100 years. Even if that is a natural shift should we still continue to burn massive amounts of fuel releasing chemicals such as CO2 and particulate matter? I really don't think that it's a good idea. We don't know what exactly will happen. Anyone that says we can not effect the planet is either lying or retarded. Heres a quick test. Look up Google earth at an aerial photo of the greater L.A. area or any oth major city in the world and tell me what you see. I look and see thousands of acres of concrete. It is a huge area that is paved over. That is a significant change and is just one of many changes people have made on this planet. Bill -- Message posted via BoatKB.com http://www.boatkb.com/Uwe/Forums.asp...iling/200702/1 |
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... On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:27:28 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Yeah, I guess all those scientists just don't measure up to big oil and big business when it comes to the facts. Hey Jon, you left out a couple of stock villains. You didn't mention big pharma, big tobacco, the Nazis, the Afrikaners, the vast right wing conspiracy, the fundamentalist Christians, the Muslim radicals ....... You're gonna have to hone your skills if you expect to persuade people the sky is falling. Why would I want to try to persuade idiots... Some people will claim its raining when they **** into the wind. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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news:6d6c754d89673@uwe... It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. Even if the environmentalists are wrong about global warming, is burning less fossil fuels, consuming less in general, and putting less crap in our environment really a bad idea? Do we have to have 100% conclusive proof that what we are doing will cause global human distruction before we decide not to live in filth? Everyone I have ever heard that argues that we shouldn't do anything to stop/prevent global warming always says that there is no conclusive proof so we should just keep doing what we are doing and not think about it because some body might make money off that change. A lot of evidence has shown that there is a shift in global climate in the last 100 years. Even if that is a natural shift should we still continue to burn massive amounts of fuel releasing chemicals such as CO2 and particulate matter? I really don't think that it's a good idea. We don't know what exactly will happen. Anyone that says we can not effect the planet is either lying or retarded. Heres a quick test. Look up Google earth at an aerial photo of the greater L.A. area or any oth major city in the world and tell me what you see. I look and see thousands of acres of concrete. It is a huge area that is paved over. That is a significant change and is just one of many changes people have made on this planet. Bill -- Message posted via BoatKB.com http://www.boatkb.com/Uwe/Forums.asp...iling/200702/1 Nice, except that Neal brags about living in filth... From: "Capt. Neal®" Subject: FOR NOVICES ONLY WEBSITE Date: 1999/07/02 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 496599654 References: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: sv1-xpRf7tlcoJcLCiiyPwNkSfE+EO7lHNVfM1ZMTSV4jFo1bsFXfk 5cKIPF8UhjS/CH0SSlyEXwo6SzGe6!2Q6hm9qYVs7MxA== Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Reply-To: "Capt. Neal®" NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 18:21:52 CDT Newsgroups: alt.sailing.asa Who needs paper to wipe themselves? Certainly not real sailors. You have not been listening to my Cedar Bucket lessons well enough, Ganz. Not only is it a waste disposal system and a live bait carrier and a cat litter box, but it also makes a fine douche. One needs only empty and fill it almost to the rim with water, add a little soap suds and then sit on it and have a beer in a moderate sea. Pretty soon. . . squeeky clean! If you ever went sailing you would not have to be told in such graphic terms how to carry on! Respectfully, Capt. Neal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jonathan Ganz wrote in message ... Dear Novices, The best method to use Crapton's "lessons" is to print them out (I'd suggest a cheap, soft bond, and not an inkjet printer) and use them to wipe yourself. That's the most efficient use. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:27:28 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Yeah, I guess all those scientists just don't measure up to big oil and big business when it comes to the facts. Hey Jon, you left out a couple of stock villains. You didn't mention big pharma, big tobacco, the Nazis, the Afrikaners, the vast right wing conspiracy, the fundamentalist Christians, the Muslim radicals ....... You're gonna have to hone your skills if you expect to persuade people the sky is falling. I should add that I don't consider Katy to be an idiot. She's a fine person, just misguided. g -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Actually, it's not an oxymoron, because that would imply that I don't understand science another religion. huh? |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:27:28 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Yeah, I guess all those scientists just don't measure up to big oil and big business when it comes to the facts. Hey Jon, you left out a couple of stock villains. You didn't mention big pharma, big tobacco, the Nazis, the Afrikaners, the vast right wing conspiracy, the fundamentalist Christians, the Muslim radicals ....... You're gonna have to hone your skills if you expect to persuade people the sky is falling. I should add that I don't consider Katy to be an idiot. She's a fine person, just misguided. g That's ok Jon...I consider you just as misguided so we're even... |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:27:28 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Yeah, I guess all those scientists just don't measure up to big oil and big business when it comes to the facts. Hey Jon, you left out a couple of stock villains. You didn't mention big pharma, big tobacco, the Nazis, the Afrikaners, the vast right wing conspiracy, the fundamentalist Christians, the Muslim radicals ....... You're gonna have to hone your skills if you expect to persuade people the sky is falling. I should add that I don't consider Katy to be an idiot. She's a fine person, just misguided. g That's ok Jon...I consider you just as misguided so we're even... No. I'm articulated... err, whatever. g -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: Actually, it's not an oxymoron, because that would imply that I don't understand science another religion. huh? Science is a form of religion. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Actually, it's not an oxymoron, because that would imply that I don't understand science another religion. huh? Science is a form of religion. Glad you could interpret that..it was more confusing than katytype.. |
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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:46:32 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Science is a form of religion. War is peace. Love is.... |
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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message . .. "katy" wrote in message ... No...humans are so short sighted that they ignore the fact that they cannot control Mother nature and that the earth is not static and changes constatly...the next "theiry" will be that we are somehow responsible for the cooling of the sun. We are, it's all those solar panels using up the sun. I know. I feel really guilty about the two on my boat. Max |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max |
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote: "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Hmmm..... pot ..... kettle ??? Cheers Marty You're more articulate than I. Oops... sorry Mundo. It's Ok for us articulates to call each other articulate, but those inarticulates better not! God forbid we should use the 'A' word. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. No. It's an article of faith in science. Rightwing nuts have no interest in facts. It's an article of faith in what you choose to believe. There is easily as much science disputing the human-induced global warming theory as that supporting it. The circumspect will wait until the dust settles a bit before jumping on any particular bandwagon. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message Unfortunately, this is all going to happen in our lifetimes, and certainly in our kids lifetimes. Once again we have a liberal here who won't be satisfied until something substantially awful happens in order to be vindicated. As a series of cataclysmic events befalls mankind, Jon will be on the precipice of a bottomless crevasse saying, "Yes, I was right." Max |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:46:32 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Science is a form of religion. War is peace. Black is white. Max |
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:18:12 -0500, Maxprop wrote
(in article k.net): "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote: "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Hmmm..... pot ..... kettle ??? Cheers Marty You're more articulate than I. Oops... sorry Mundo. It's Ok for us articulates to call each other articulate, but those inarticulates better not! God forbid we should use the 'A' word. Max I like how you articulated that thought... I am impressed. -- Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... |
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On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:46:32 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Science is a form of religion. War is peace. Black is white. Max I want my baby back...oh..wrong lyrics... |
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link.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message Unfortunately, this is all going to happen in our lifetimes, and certainly in our kids lifetimes. Once again we have a liberal here who won't be satisfied until something substantially awful happens in order to be vindicated. As a series of cataclysmic events befalls mankind, Jon will be on the precipice of a bottomless crevasse saying, "Yes, I was right." Max Wow... I didn't realize you were an optimist! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:46:32 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Science is a form of religion. War is peace. Tsk, tsk. As a Republican, you should have said Peace is war. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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hlink.net... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:46:32 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Science is a form of religion. War is peace. Black is white. Max Racist. g -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. No. It's an article of faith in science. Rightwing nuts have no interest in facts. It's an article of faith in what you choose to believe. There is easily as much science disputing the human-induced global warming theory as that supporting it. The circumspect will wait until the dust settles a bit before jumping on any particular bandwagon. Max Where do you get this? Absolutely not. It's not open to conjecture as best as science can determine. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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