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link.net... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max Compared to Cheney's crowd who are in it for patriotism. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Actually, it is.... |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? You've been reading Marx again... |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Actually, it is.... How so? We're polluting our environment by cutting down the forest and by burning the vegatation. That produces greenhouse gasses, which contributes to the global warming. In addition, the lack of trees reduces the possible absorbtion of those very gasses. Look it up if you're not too scared. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? You've been reading Marx again... No need. I've read him previously. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Actually, it is.... How so? We're polluting our environment by cutting down the forest and by burning the vegatation. That produces greenhouse gasses, which contributes to the global warming. In addition, the lack of trees reduces the possible absorbtion of those very gasses. Look it up if you're not too scared. It contributes to weather change, mostly precipitation...and is the most easily solvable environmental problem out there...and for the most part, entirely out of our vontrol because you're not going to convince some 3rd world country that makes money doing it to stop..unless you go in and kill em all or something else equally drastic...we have made great strides in reforestation here in the US especially in Washington and Oregon, which is where out great rainforest ecists... |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? Funding *their* lifestyle--that of the leaders of organizations dependent upon your devotion and your donations. Max |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? You've been reading Marx again... He's a socialist, Katy. I think he's got copies of Karl Marx's works in his guest bathroom with a small sign taped on the wall above them: "Please help yourself to a copy and read it thoroughly and repeatedly. And believe." Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? Funding *their* lifestyle--that of the leaders of organizations dependent upon your devotion and your donations. Max He thinks Hil and Bill live in a shack and drive a Yugo becasue of their great altruism... |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message om... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? You've been reading Marx again... He's a socialist, Katy. I think he's got copies of Karl Marx's works in his guest bathroom with a small sign taped on the wall above them: "Please help yourself to a copy and read it thoroughly and repeatedly. And believe." Max Then he'd better sell his boat and donate the money to Greenpeace..a true Socialist would be ashamed to live a lifestule unbeitting the needy... |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message om... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? You've been reading Marx again... No need. I've read him previously. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com I'll bet you worship at the Marxist shrine, you pinko commie loser. JB |
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"Mundo" wrote in message . net... On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:18:12 -0500, Maxprop wrote (in article k.net): "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote: "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Hmmm..... pot ..... kettle ??? Cheers Marty You're more articulate than I. Oops... sorry Mundo. It's Ok for us articulates to call each other articulate, but those inarticulates better not! God forbid we should use the 'A' word. Max I like how you articulated that thought... I am impressed. I'm calling my attorney as we speak. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. No. It's an article of faith in science. Rightwing nuts have no interest in facts. It's an article of faith in what you choose to believe. There is easily as much science disputing the human-induced global warming theory as that supporting it. The circumspect will wait until the dust settles a bit before jumping on any particular bandwagon. Max Where do you get this? Absolutely not. It's not open to conjecture as best as science can determine. You need to be a bit more open-minded, Jon. It not only is open to conjecture, there is some very strong scientific evidence that the warming trend of the Earth is due to a normal, *natural* set of variables, and not a function of humankind in any way. Personally I don't believe that to be the case. I do believe that man has altered the rate of global warming to some degree, but as to the extent of that alteration I'm as much in the dark as anyone else. You, OTOH, believe the polar ice will all be melted in another hundred years, mostly because you choose to believe only those scientists who support that notion. You likewise choose to ignore those scientists who hold the opposite viewpoint. That is a closed mind. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Only because you *want* it to be one and the same. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Actually, it is.... How so? We're polluting our environment by cutting down the forest and by burning the vegatation. That produces greenhouse gasses, which contributes to the global warming. In addition, the lack of trees reduces the possible absorbtion of those very gasses. Look it up if you're not too scared. The effect upon greenhouse gasses and pollution from the unfortunate destruction of the tropical rain forests in Central and South America is grossly overstated, probably for the purpose of supporting the global warming crowd's need for "evidence." The USA logs out hundreds of time more timber each year than has been removed from the Amazon rain forest since the whole sordid process began. And the USA burns far more coal, wood, and other natural fuels each year than the rain forest destroyers have burned since the beginning as well. But please don't let such facts dissuade you from beating the GW drum to your own timing. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Only because you *want* it to be one and the same. Max He sibscribes to the basic Augustinian belief that man is inherently evil...so no matter what it is, man must be at the root of it....he has raised mankind to sich omnipotence that it is untenable...and his articulation of his cause is redundant...so there...I used the "a' word... |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Actually, it is.... How so? We're polluting our environment by cutting down the forest and by burning the vegatation. That produces greenhouse gasses, which contributes to the global warming. In addition, the lack of trees reduces the possible absorbtion of those very gasses. Look it up if you're not too scared. The effect upon greenhouse gasses and pollution from the unfortunate destruction of the tropical rain forests in Central and South America is grossly overstated, probably for the purpose of supporting the global warming crowd's need for "evidence." The USA logs out hundreds of time more timber each year than has been removed from the Amazon rain forest since the whole sordid process began. And the USA burns far more coal, wood, and other natural fuels each year than the rain forest destroyers have burned since the beginning as well. But please don't let such facts dissuade you from beating the GW drum to your own timing. Max You think he's beating a drum? never mind.... |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Actually, it is.... How so? We're polluting our environment by cutting down the forest and by burning the vegatation. That produces greenhouse gasses, which contributes to the global warming. In addition, the lack of trees reduces the possible absorbtion of those very gasses. Look it up if you're not too scared. It contributes to weather change, mostly precipitation...and is the most easily solvable environmental problem out there...and for the most part, entirely out of our vontrol because you're not going to convince some 3rd world country that makes money doing it to stop..unless you go in and kill em all or something else equally drastic...we have made great strides in reforestation here in the US especially in Washington and Oregon, which is where out great rainforest ecists... Hate to tell you, but several environ groups and several individuals are doing just that. Reforestation in the US is great... all for it, but the big problem is in the 3rd world. Killing them all is a right-wing solution. g -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Actually, it is.... How so? We're polluting our environment by cutting down the forest and by burning the vegatation. That produces greenhouse gasses, which contributes to the global warming. In addition, the lack of trees reduces the possible absorbtion of those very gasses. Look it up if you're not too scared. The effect upon greenhouse gasses and pollution from the unfortunate destruction of the tropical rain forests in Central and South America is grossly overstated, probably for the purpose of supporting the global warming crowd's need for "evidence." The USA logs out hundreds of time more timber each year than has been removed from the Amazon rain forest since the whole sordid process began. And the USA burns far more coal, wood, and other natural fuels each year than the rain forest destroyers have burned since the beginning as well. But please don't let such facts dissuade you from beating the GW drum to your own timing. Max So far, I haven't seen much in the way of facts from you. You'll listen to big business, but not to scientists. Maybe you think smoking doesn't cause cancer? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Only because you *want* it to be one and the same. Max I wish it weren't, but I'm living in the real world. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Maxprop wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Only because you *want* it to be one and the same. Max He sibscribes to the basic Augustinian belief that man is inherently evil...so no matter what it is, man must be at the root of it....he has raised mankind to sich omnipotence that it is untenable...and his articulation of his cause is redundant...so there...I used the "a' word... Huh? Humankind has the potential to do great things. Sounds like a very pessimistic viewpoint you and Max have. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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link.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. No. It's an article of faith in science. Rightwing nuts have no interest in facts. It's an article of faith in what you choose to believe. There is easily as much science disputing the human-induced global warming theory as that supporting it. The circumspect will wait until the dust settles a bit before jumping on any particular bandwagon. Max Where do you get this? Absolutely not. It's not open to conjecture as best as science can determine. You need to be a bit more open-minded, Jon. It not only is open to conjecture, there is some very strong scientific evidence that the warming trend of the Earth is due to a normal, *natural* set of variables, and not a function of humankind in any way. Personally I don't believe that to be the case. I do believe that man has altered the rate of global warming to some degree, but as to the extent of that alteration I'm as much in the dark as anyone else. You, OTOH, believe the polar ice will all be melted in another hundred years, mostly because you choose to believe only those scientists who support that notion. You likewise choose to ignore those scientists who hold the opposite viewpoint. That is a closed mind. Max Pot, kettel, black. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:44:09 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message news:ci8hs2h5dkios8a07couquqj31247pfsvn@4ax. com... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? You've been reading Marx again... No need. I've read him previously. ****ing Commie. Anger management problems? Plonk. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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hlink.net... "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message om... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? You've been reading Marx again... He's a socialist, Katy. I think he's got copies of Karl Marx's works in his guest bathroom with a small sign taped on the wall above them: "Please help yourself to a copy and read it thoroughly and repeatedly. And believe." Max And, you're full of it if you really believe that. Anyone disagrees with right-wing nuts is immediately labeled either a communist or anti-patriotic or something like that. It's actually pretty pathetic. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? Funding *their* lifestyle--that of the leaders of organizations dependent upon your devotion and your donations. Max ?? You need to get your head out of your ass and start thinking again. Or, vote for Karl (Achtung) Rove's next pick. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Maxprop wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message om... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? Funding *their* lifestyle--that of the leaders of organizations dependent upon your devotion and your donations. Max He thinks Hil and Bill live in a shack and drive a Yugo becasue of their great altruism... Guess you didn't hear Bill say that he didn't need yet another tax break. I don't hear Cheney saying that. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Actually, it is.... How so? We're polluting our environment by cutting down the forest and by burning the vegatation. That produces greenhouse gasses, which contributes to the global warming. In addition, the lack of trees reduces the possible absorbtion of those very gasses. Look it up if you're not too scared. It contributes to weather change, mostly precipitation...and is the most easily solvable environmental problem out there...and for the most part, entirely out of our vontrol because you're not going to convince some 3rd world country that makes money doing it to stop..unless you go in and kill em all or something else equally drastic...we have made great strides in reforestation here in the US especially in Washington and Oregon, which is where out great rainforest ecists... Hate to tell you, but several environ groups and several individuals are doing just that. Reforestation in the US is great... all for it, but the big problem is in the 3rd world. Killing them all is a right-wing solution. g Nah...in that respect it would be a liberal response...only it wouldn't be overt but some legislated "act of mercy"... |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Only because you *want* it to be one and the same. Max I wish it weren't, but I'm living in the real world. Luvung anywhere within a 500 mile radius of San Francisco is not luvung in the real world...for that matter, mist of CA is not the real world...now if you lived in Imaha or Dubuque or Minneapolis, then you could claim to live in the real world... |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Only because you *want* it to be one and the same. Max He sibscribes to the basic Augustinian belief that man is inherently evil...so no matter what it is, man must be at the root of it....he has raised mankind to sich omnipotence that it is untenable...and his articulation of his cause is redundant...so there...I used the "a' word... Huh? Humankind has the potential to do great things. Sounds like a very pessimistic viewpoint you and Max have. Yes...humankind has done many great things...but humankind is not omnipotent and once again you are referring to some science fiction world... |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message news:ci8hs2h5dkios8a07couquqj31247pfsvn@4ax. com... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? You've been reading Marx again... He's a socialist, Katy. I think he's got copies of Karl Marx's works in his guest bathroom with a small sign taped on the wall above them: "Please help yourself to a copy and read it thoroughly and repeatedly. And believe." Max And, you're full of it if you really believe that. Anyone disagrees with right-wing nuts is immediately labeled either a communist or anti-patriotic or something like that. It's actually pretty pathetic. It took over 50 posts before the label came out...that's not immediate... |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "Dave" wrote in message news:ci8hs2h5dkios8a07couquqj31247pfsvn@4ax. com... On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human beings are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests. Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon. Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their gospel is like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get that concession from the ultra-devout. Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel. Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their chosen lifestyles. Max I already said that... How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few sacrifices for the greater good? Funding *their* lifestyle--that of the leaders of organizations dependent upon your devotion and your donations. Max He thinks Hil and Bill live in a shack and drive a Yugo becasue of their great altruism... Guess you didn't hear Bill say that he didn't need yet another tax break. I don't hear Cheney saying that. How generous of him...he's probably maxed out... |
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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:13:40 -0500, katy wrote: Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote: It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart. Cheers, Ellen Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing to the environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant event we will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we have a lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the air are causing global changes. It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down tropical rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming discussion... Actually, it isn't. Actually, it is.... How so? We're polluting our environment by cutting down the forest and by burning the vegatation. That produces greenhouse gasses, which contributes to the global warming. In addition, the lack of trees reduces the possible absorbtion of those very gasses. Look it up if you're not too scared. It contributes to weather change, mostly precipitation...and is the most easily solvable environmental problem out there... Incorrect. If you knew anything about tropical rainforests, you would know why. CWM I do know about tropical rainforests and it is a much simpler task to fix than the endless legislation and policing it takes to make sure industry does its' part to stop polluting the environment with chemicals...the problem is to stop slashing and burning...now...but then, I already said that stopping that is the big problem...since the 3rd world counties that are involved care only for the moment and have no foresight, that ain't going to happen..one can only hope they will look at Belize and see that it can work... |
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On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:09:33 -0500, katy wrote: I do know about tropical rainforests and it is a much simpler task to fix This is unequivocal proof that you haven't a clue about tropical rainforests. CWM In regards to growing new rainforests? Yes..in respect to keeping the ones that exist...no....and you have no clue as to what I do or do not know... |
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On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:09:33 -0500, katy wrote: I do know about tropical rainforests and it is a much simpler task to fix This is unequivocal proof that you haven't a clue about tropical rainforests. CWM Lift finger to keyboard Charlie, educate, elucidate and illuminate us, inquiring minds want to know! Cheers Marty ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ---------------------- For a quality mail server, try SurgeMail, easy to install, fast, efficient and reliable. Run a million users on a standard PC running NT or Unix without running out of power, use the best! ---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_surgemail.htm ---- |
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"katy" wrote It contributes to weather change, mostly precipitation...and is the most easily solvable environmental problem out there...and for the most part, entirely out of our vontrol because you're not going to convince some 3rd world country that makes money doing it to stop..unless you go in and kill em all or something else equally drastic...we have made great strides in reforestation here in the US especially in Washington and Oregon, which is where out great rainforest ecists... I hope you noticed how they changed the subject. I asked for proof. What did they do? Changed the subject. It's because they don't have any proof. Just repeat a bunch of crap the rest of their type spew. Your right about the forest clearing and burning. It's not related to global warming any more than SUVs are. Idiots like Capt. JG and the other nut jobs who think people actually are altering the world climate aren't capable of looking at things except with their bias glasses on. If people like Capt. JG were logical they'd know that it's been shown that natural forests make more methane than people make carbon dioxide when they cut them down and burn them. Methane's ten times worse than carbon dioxide as a green house gas. Duh! Cheers, Ellen |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:12:45 -0500, katy wrote: Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:09:33 -0500, katy wrote: I do know about tropical rainforests and it is a much simpler task to fix This is unequivocal proof that you haven't a clue about tropical rainforests. CWM In regards to growing new rainforests? Yes..in respect to keeping the ones that exist...no....and you have no clue as to what I do or do not know... You have even less of a clue as to what you know and don't know. CWM Holy Moly! give her a break already. So she doesn't know. Lot's of people don't know. See my post up there about methane. That's probably what your talking about. Spit it out, dude! Cheers, Ellen |
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"Capt. JG" wrote So far, I haven't seen much in the way of facts from you. You'll listen to big business, but not to scientists. Maybe you think smoking doesn't cause cancer? The pot calling the kettle black again. Your a freaking maggot worm. I asked you for facts. I asked in the post that started this thread. What facts did you give? Yes, that's right. You gave no facts. Zero zip nada. Duh! Your trick of changing the subject might work with the morons in this thread but they don't work with me. Cheers, Ellen |
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"katy" wrote He sibscribes to the basic Augustinian belief that man is inherently evil...so no matter what it is, man must be at the root of it....he has raised mankind to sich omnipotence that it is untenable...and his articulation of his cause is redundant...so there...I used the "a' word... Look at what he's got to compare it with. Himself. He's evil himself so no wonder he thinks everybody else is.... Cheers, Ellen |
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"Capt. JG" wrote I wish it weren't, but I'm living in the real world. An brain that's burned out by huge doses of LSD can see reality. Yah right! I wish you knew how really when you say things your talking about yourself and don't even realize it. Your warped. You think your normal. Sad. Cheers, Ellen |
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