Jon,

I can't give you a reason and I was against the invasion but I will not
apologize for getting rid of Saddam and ending the "No Fly Zones with
their rockets, I can't say Bush didn't lie but I don't blame or
apologize for ****e & Sunni killings.

I want us out of Iraq but I do want it done in as humanely way as
possible and I don't have an answer

"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Jon,

Japan attack us and we invaded Casa Blanca. They didn't attack us. They
weren't even in the Pacific Theatre.

I wasn't to upset at the time



You had something against Casa Blanca?

In any case, please tell us what Iraq had to do with islamic
fundamentalist
terrorists before we invaded.

Saddam paid the family of dead Hammas suicide bombers cash. I heard
100K per family of suicide bombers. Hammas is an islamic terrorist
group.

Joe

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Hamas had a stated policy of not attacking the US. Iraq did not attack the
US.

You heard??? Well, that must settle it.


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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Jon,

I can't give you a reason and I was against the invasion but I will not
apologize for getting rid of Saddam and ending the "No Fly Zones with
their rockets, I can't say Bush didn't lie but I don't blame or
apologize for ****e & Sunni killings.

I want us out of Iraq but I do want it done in as humanely way as
possible and I don't have an answer



I'm not asking you to apologize for the crappy way the Bush's treated the
Iraqis both in the past and now. No planes of ours were shot down in the No
Fly Zones, btw. There's no disputing that Bush the First LIED to the shiias
after the first Gulf War. That's a fact.

Here are the choices for getting out of Iraq.

1) We leave as soon as humanly possible. 100K innocent Iraqis die by ethnic
violence.
2) We stay the course and/or increase the troops to the now proposed 160K
level. 100K innocent Iraqis dies by ethnic violence, plus another couple of
1000 US troops, plus another 20K US troops are maimed, plus we give even
more fuel to the islamic terrorists to turn the mostly peaceful muslim
populations of the world against us.

All of the significant generals including the guy in charge of the Army
think we should not send more troops and they can not be sustained there for
very long, and that the Army is stretched to the breaking point now.

Most experienced diplomats are convinced that we're making the situation
worse by our very presence.

All of the significant generals think that there is no diplomatic solution,
rather that it is a military situation without a military solution.


I pick #1.


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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Joe has voices in his head....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.


Are they telling him to do good things or bad things?

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a.. Mr. President, we are rapidly approaching a moment of truth...Now, truth
is not always a pleasant thing, but it is necessary now to make a choice, to
choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless, distinguishable
post-war environments. One, where you got 20 million people killed, and the
other where you got 150 million people killed.

"Joe" wrote in message
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Yeah, and we didn't have 3000 dead US soldiers, 20,000 miamed solders,
500000 dead innocent Iraqis, and it's getting worse by the day!

No it's getting better. Less are getting killed every mo.


According to the Pentagon's report today...

22% more attacks
32% more military casualties
60% more civilian deaths


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OzOne wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Palestinians get Saddam funds


Iraq regularly parades volunteers to "liberate Palestine"
Saddam Hussein has paid out thousands of dollars to families of
Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel.
Relatives of at least one suicide attacker as well as other militants
and civilians gathered in a hall in Gaza City to receive cheques.

"Iraq and Palestine are in one trench. Saddam is a hero," read a banner
over a picture of the Iraqi leader and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat
at the ceremony.

With war looming in the Middle East, Palestinian speakers condemned the
United States and Israel, which dismissed the ceremony as support for
terrorism.

Saddam's payments
$10,000 per family
$25,000 for family of a suicide bomber
$35m paid since September 2000
PALF figures
One by one, at least 21 families came up to receive their cheques from
the Palestinian Arab Liberation Front (PALF), a local pro-Iraq group.

A Hamas suicide bomber's family got $25,000 while the others -
relatives of militants killed in fighting or civilians killed during
Israeli military operations - all received $10,000 each.

Another banner in the hall described the cheques as the "blessings of
Saddam Hussein" and PALF speakers extolled the Iraqi leader in fiery
speeches.

"Saddam Hussein considers those who die in martyrdom attacks as people
who have won the highest degree of martyrdom," said one.

The party estimated that Iraq had paid out $35m to Palestinian families
since the current uprising began in September 2000.

Saddam's avowed support for the Palestinians, and his missile attacks
on Israel during the Gulf War, have won him wide backing in the
territories.

Saddam's 'kindness'

Israel condemned the Iraqi handouts as funding for terrorism.

"It shows that Saddam is involved in every activity that is terrorism
and murderous and leads to instability in the Middle East," said Amira
Oron, a spokeswoman for the Foreign Ministry.


Saddam is the only one that has stood with us

Tahseen Maghani
father of dead Hamas fighter
However, families at this week's ceremony said the money would be used
to rebuild homes destroyed by Israel and bring up orphaned children.

"Saddam supports the families of the martyrs, not terrorism," said
Ahmed Sabah, 69, whose son was killed by an Israeli missile strike in
December.

"It is a shame that Arabs stand silent as America prepares to occupy
Iraq."

Israel blamed Mr Sabah's son Mustafa for bomb attacks on three Israeli
tanks which killed seven soldiers in 2002.

Tahseen Maghani, whose Hamas militant son Karam was killed trying to
infiltrate the Jewish settlement of Netzarim, said he would use the
money to plant crops and build a house.

"These are tough times for Saddam but his kindness will help us a lot,"
he said.

"Saddam is the only one that has stood with us."

Sabri Salama, a relative of two Palestinian teenagers killed in an
Israeli air strike on Gaza in January, said America was "the chief
terrorist state".

Ibrahim Zanen, a PALF spokesman, said he hoped the ceremony would not
be the last.

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Saddam stokes war with suicide bomber cash
March 26 2002




The Iraqi leader's payments to the families of dead Palestinian
terrorists means more trouble for Yasser Arafat, writes Paul McGeough
in the West Bank.


The hall was packed and the intake of breath was audible as a special
announcement was made to the war widows of the West Bank - Saddam
Hussein would pay $US25,000 ($47,000) to the family of each suicide
bomber as an enticement for others to volunteer for martyrdom in the
name of the Palestinian people.

The men at the top table then opened Saddam's chequebook and, as the
names of 47 martyrs were called, family representatives went up to sign
for cheques written in US dollars.

Those of two suicide bombers were the first to be paid the new rate of
$US25,000 and those whose relatives had died in other clashes with the
Israeli military were given $US10,000 each.

The $US500,000 doled out in this impoverished community yesterday means
that the besieged Iraqi leader now has contributed more than $US10
million to grieving Palestinian families since the new intifada began
18 months ago.

But the timing of this clear signal that Saddam is stoking the Middle
East conflict with his new $US15,000 bonus to encourage more suicide
bombers - and exclusive pictures from the distribution ceremony, which
was attended by the Herald - could make it more difficult for the
Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, to manage his already strained
relationship with the United States.



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Because the Palestinians and the Israelis have been unable to agree to
a ceasefire during the US-brokered talks that began in Jerusalem two
weeks ago, Mr Arafat may be denied an opportunity to put the
Palestinian case directly to the US Vice-President, Dick Cheney.

As well, the Israelis have yet to decide if they will lift Mr Arafat's
effective house arrest to allow him to travel to Beirut for this week's
summit of Arab leaders that is to discuss a Saudi Arabian plan to end
the crisis.

And now, the US and Israel will have the opportunity to accuse Mr
Arafat of being in the embrace of two of President Bush's three "axis
of evil" countries, Iraq and Iran.

The New York Times reported on Saturday the suspicion of US and Israeli
intelligence agencies that Mr Arafat had developed an alliance with
Iran to import weapons worth millions of dollars to be used by
Palestinian fighters.

Mr Arafat has denied any knowledge of a recent shipment of Iranian arms
seized by the Israelis on its way to Palestine.

But he may be hard pressed to deny knowledge of a public ceremony on
his own territory, during which supporters of Saddam handed out
$US500,000 and encouraged others to become suicide bombers with the
blessing of the Iraqi leader.

The US will also be keen to use Saddam's provocative intrusion into the
Palestinian-Israeli conflict as another reason for its planned military
strike against him.

Yesterday's ceremony at Tulkarm, about 90 kilometres north of
Jerusalem, was the first public distribution organised by the Arab
Liberation Front, a small PLO faction closely aligned with Saddam's
Ba'ath Party. Previously, the cheques were delivered privately by
officials of the front to the homes of martyr families.

A senior front official, Ma'amoon Tayeh, said that the extra $US15,000
was to encourage more Palestinians to volunteer as suicide bombers to
help "confirm the legitimacy of our national questions".

He said: "Saddam Hussein considers Palestine to be a governate of Iraq
and he thinks the same of the Palestinian martyrs as he does of Iraqi
martyrs - they all are martyrs for the whole Arab nation."

Dr Hassan Khraisheh, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council
who told the crowd he had just returned from a solidarity conference in
Baghdad, said some families believed the money should be sent back to
Iraq because of the hardships imposed by sanctions; others used the
money to " buy weapons to defend Palestine".

Later, he praised Iraq as the only Arab country officially donating to
the Palestinian cause.

"The Saudis used to give $US4000 to the martyrs, but now it depends on
public donations.

"Saddam Hussein's $US25,000 is a message to those who might offer
themselves as martyrs that their families will be supported ..."

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GLOBAL JIHAD
Oil-for-food
funded terror
U.S. to reveal tomorrow Saddam used U.N. to aid suicide bombers

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Posted: November 16, 2004
6:36 p.m. Eastern


By Aaron Klein
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

A U.S. congressional committee will reveal tomorrow that money taken by
deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein from the U.N. oil-for-food
program was used as reward payments to families of Palestinian suicide
bombers, WorldNetDaily has learned.

The committee, led by Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Ill., chairman of the House
Committee on International Affairs, will reveal tomorrow that some of
the $10 billion Saddam allegedly forced contractors to kick back from
the oil-for-food program between 1997 and 2002 was used to fund
families of Palestinians suicide bombers.

Israel has said the aid received from Saddam provided major financial
motivation to underprivileged teenagers who could help their
cash-strapped families with the large payments that would be issued
upon completion of a suicide mission.


The U.N. Security Council launched the oil-for-food program in 1996 so
Iraq could raise funds for food, medicine and other humanitarian goods
in spite of sanctions against the Saddam regime.

Iraq sold more than $67 billion worth of oil before the program was
ended by the U.S. invasion last year.

According to the rules outlined by the Security Council, Iraq was
allowed to choose its own suppliers and oil traders. Under the program,
the Security Council established a separate committee made up of member
states, the so-called "661 Committee," to approve all contracts issued
by the Iraqi government.

The General Accounting Office, the auditing arm of the U.S. Congress,
reported Hussein illegally diverted and sold goods intended for the
Iraqi population.

Sources tell WorldNetDaily Hyde will detail the methods used by Saddam
to funnel some of the money from the proceeds to fund Palestinian
terrorism against Israelis. A U.S. official said the money was wired to
an account in the Rafaidan Bank of Jordan then transferred to the
personal account of Iraq's ambassador to Jordan, who would then have
the money delivered to the Palestinians.

As WorldNetDaily reported, remnants of Saddam's regime may still be
funding terrorism against Israel by continuing the payments to families
of Palestinian suicide bombers the dictator previously provided,
according to a document recently seized in Iraq and obtained by
WorldNetDaily .

The document, discovered by a U.S. military unit on the body of an
Iraqi combatant in Northern Iraq in September, is a general
"Certificate of Martyrdom" honoring a family member who carries out a
suicide attack against Israelis. It was provided to WorldNetDaily by an
American military source in Iraq.

Unlike documents Saddam issued while in power, the new certificate
refers to the former Iraqi leader as a "Freedom Fighter" and is not
signed by Saddam himself, but by the "Iraq Sector Command," a reference
not previously used in such certificates, indicating that post-Saddam
militants may be seeking to fund Palestinian terrorism.

Military analysts experienced in Iraqi affairs told WorldNetDaily the
document appears indeed to be post-Saddam, although it is unclear
whether it was printed while Saddam went into hiding or after he was
captured in December 2003.

While in power, Saddam paid the families of Palestinian suicide bombers
as much as $25,000 each. The checks were thought to provide major
financial motivation to underprivileged teenagers who could help their
cash-strapped families with the payments that would be issued upon
completion of a suicide mission.

According to documents captured in 2002 by Israel's Operation Defensive
Shield, Saddam set up an "Arab Liberation Front" - a Ba'ath party
department in the Palestinian areas used to encourage terrorism and
issue checks, usually through the Palestine Investment Bank, to the
families of suicide bombers.

The payments were $15,000 at the start of the intifada, and were later
raised to $25,000.

Saddam would also issue checks of $10,000 to the families of "ordinary"
Palestinians killed in the intifada by other means, such as "through
the aggression of the Zionist army."

Along with the checks came the martyrdom certificates, signed by
Saddam, that read: "A gift from President Saddam Hussein to the family
of a martyr in the al-Aqsa intifada. To those who irrigate the land
with their blood. You deserve the honor you will receive from Allah and
you will defeat all who bow before your will."

A $25,000 check and martyrdom certificate, for example, was transferred
June 23, 2002, to Khaldiya Isma'il Abd Al-Aziz Al-Hurani, mother of the
Hamas terrorist Fuad Isma'il Ahmad Al-Hurani, who carried out a suicide
attack on March 19 of that year in Jerusalem's Moment Cafe. Eleven
Israelis were killed and 16 wounded in the attack.

Checks for $15,000 each were given along with the martyrdom
certificates to the families of Hamas suicide terrorists who blew
themselves up in Zion Square in Jerusalem Dec. 1, 2001.





Joe has voices in his head....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:01:12 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:

"Joe" wrote in message
roups.com...
Yeah, and we didn't have 3000 dead US soldiers, 20,000 miamed solders,
500000 dead innocent Iraqis, and it's getting worse by the day!

No it's getting better. Less are getting killed every mo.


According to the Pentagon's report today...

22% more attacks
32% more military casualties
60% more civilian deaths

Did Joe actually say that?
Damn...he really does live in dreamland!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.


Unfortunately, it's all too common here. Thus, we got Bush, Iraq, and
thousand dead and wounded.

I just heard that the crime stats are way up, mostly due to youth
violence... more guns in their hands. Instead of considering that homeland
security includes homeland crime prevention and preventing terrorist
attacks, the Bush administration, as usual, is inept.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Palestinians get Saddam funds

Which has nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq.




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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Palestinians get Saddam funds

Which has nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq.

You are dumber than a rock. This is a global war on terrorism.

Did you miss 9-11?

Joe






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