which one?



OzOne wrote in message
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Never been there, have the opportunity to spend a week
this January.
Tell me about Vancouver?
Thanks!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote
The one in the country that I can get into without having my
fingerprints taken.

Which country is that? Maybe I should move there if they speak English. I just found out
Americans come the middle of January are going to have to have a passport to GET BACK INTO
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. We might as well dig up Hitler. Get some of his DNA,
clone him and put him in the white house, be better than Bush. I bet Hitler could at least say
nuclear instead of nukuler. Duh

Cheers,
Ellen

OzOne wrote in message
Tell me what's wrong with requiring identification to leave and return
to your country?

How about this?

"Amendment XIV to the U.S. Constitution
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens
of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge
the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty,
or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the
laws."

So somebody sails his boat from New York to the Bahamas. He gets into the Bahamas using his drivers license.
He sails from the Bahamas back to New York and he has to prove he's a citizen by showing a passport. Passports
aren't passed out for free. It takes time and money to get one. Does New York have the right to say somebody
who's a citizen there cannot come back to his home unless they can prove with a passport they live there? What
about a driver's license? What about a social security card. What about some other photo ID. Why an expensive
passport? Telling you you can't return home unless you have an expensive ID card is depriving you of your liberty......
So what's next. Can they decide to require a million dollars bond to show you're financially responsible for any
financial liabilities you might cause? Can they require a lie detector test to prove you aren't lying about something
like your not a terrorist? Can they ask you for your car insurance papers to make sure if you run over somebody
that you can pay damages? Where does it all end?
And you know once it gets started it ain't gonna end....


What peeves me is as an Australian citizen, an ally of the USA, My
details are sent to the US when I board my aircraft and a decision is
made while I'm airborne on whether I will be allowed into the US.
I'm then fingerprinted and made to declare where I can be contacted
during my stay.

That's OK. We have to protect the country from people who want to blow us up. So far, except for John McVeigh,
it's only foreigners who send terrorists over here. Your not a US citizen so you don't have any Constitutional rights
like us citizens have. If you don't like the rules for foreigners then stay home... But when Americans are given the
third degree just to go back home something's wrong.

Cheers,
Ellen

OzOne wrote
Tell me what's wrong with requiring identification to leave and return
to your country?

Here's another one for you.....

"Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a
grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of
war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;
nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Did you read the part about no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process? Due process
means a trial BTW. Not letting you back into your own country without a passport is depriving you of liberty
without a trial.

Cheers,
Ellen

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:22:27 -0500, Ellen MacArthur wrote:

I just found out
Americans come the middle of January are going to have to have a passport to GET BACK INTO
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Not exactly true. On January 23, if you are traveling by *air*, you will
be required to use a passport.

http://help.customs.gov/cgi-bin/cust...cGFnZT0x&p_li=

"thunder" wrote
Not exactly true. On January 23, if you are traveling by *air*, you will
be required to use a passport.

http://help.customs.gov/cgi-bin/cust...cGFnZT0x&p_li=


Thanks for the information and the url. That's a little better. But it still looks like it'll probably be 2008 for
boats. Like I said, once they get started .....

Cheers,
Ellen

OzOne wrote in message
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Cheers,
Ellen


Tell me what's wrong with requiring identification to
leave and return
to your country?
What peeves me is as an Australian citizen, an ally of the
USA, My
details are sent to the US when I board my aircraft and a
decision is
made while I'm airborne on whether I will be allowed into
the US.
I'm then fingerprinted and made to declare where I can be
contacted
during my stay.

Sounds reasonable to me. I feel safer now, knowing that.

Scotty

"Scotty" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote in message
...

Cheers,
Ellen


Tell me what's wrong with requiring identification to
leave and return
to your country?
What peeves me is as an Australian citizen, an ally of the
USA, My
details are sent to the US when I board my aircraft and a
decision is
made while I'm airborne on whether I will be allowed into
the US.
I'm then fingerprinted and made to declare where I can be
contacted
during my stay.

Sounds reasonable to me. I feel safer now, knowing that.

Scotty




Especially with Oz on the plane. :-)

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote:
Tell me what's wrong with requiring identification to leave and return
to your country?
What peeves me is as an Australian citizen, an ally of the USA, My
details are sent to the US when I board my aircraft and a decision is
made while I'm airborne on whether I will be allowed into the US.
I'm then fingerprinted and made to declare where I can be contacted
during my stay.

Jeez, oz. Just give them my phone number while in the usa. I'll cover
for you with the state and federal government.

No problem...

LP

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote:
So somebody sails his boat from New York to the Bahamas. He gets into
the Bahamas using his drivers license.
He sails from the Bahamas back to New York and he has to prove he's a
citizen by showing a passport. Passports
aren't passed out for free.

Well, duh. I've had a passport since 1984 and both of my boys had had one
for about 3 years...no problem

It takes time and money to get one.

Maybe you just can't afford a passport or don't have the clout like I do to
maintain a US privelge

drunken rambiling deleted?

LP