"Walt" wrote
Ever hear of the DN class?

Oh yeah. My one and only excursion into iceboating was in a DN.

Our club has an Arrow (basically a 2 person version of the DN), but I
haven't tried it yet. I'm afaid that I might like hard water sailing a
little too much, and it's a damn fickle sport - you need cold, but not
snow, which can be hard to come by.


Does seem like a bit of a paradox, now that you mention it.
I'm not tempted to try such a climate.


Maxprop wrote:
That's the quintessential problem here--we so seldom get black ice that it's
probably not worth owning an iceboat. I once owned a Nite, which is a
two-place, side-by-side one-design racer. It would top out at around
100mph, so some claimed, but I probably never got it above 80, which is
plenty fast. The shore comes up mighty rapidly at those speeds. I sold it
after 6 years, during which we only had a brief period during one winter
which was really premier bare ice. The only other occasions to use it were
questionable, with patches of snow which have the same effect on iceboat
speed as throwing out an anchor.


My understanding is that soft patches & snow can be pretty
bad, although the thing to *really* look out for is
port-tackers cleaning their goggles. A capsize isn't so bad
if you don't mind sliding on ice.

I had fun sailing the DN but got too cold to stick with it
for long. I also declined the opportunity to join a race,
since it was obvious I'd get badly waxed and only delay
everybody.

DSK

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This is the first post of Ellen's that seems to dispel the notion that
"she" is actually Neal in verbal drag. Neal would know better.


Why do you say that? Neal was/is pretty dumb.

FWIW I agree that "Ellen" doesn't seem to be Neal. I wonder if "she" is
one of JAXAshby's old flames.


It has been a while since Jax departed. I suppose "she" could be Jax
him/herself, but who knows in this deceptive forum.

Max

It's Neal....


If that's true, he's doing a brilliant job of appearing stupid.

Max

Hr doesn't have to try very hard....


Neal may be bigoted, obtuse, and deluded, but I'm not convinced he's stupid.

Max


He's pretending to be Ellen...how smart is that?

Now that's funny!

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This is the first post of Ellen's that seems to dispel the notion
that "she" is actually Neal in verbal drag. Neal would know better.


Why do you say that? Neal was/is pretty dumb.

FWIW I agree that "Ellen" doesn't seem to be Neal. I wonder if "she"
is one of JAXAshby's old flames.


It has been a while since Jax departed. I suppose "she" could be Jax
him/herself, but who knows in this deceptive forum.

Max

It's Neal....


If that's true, he's doing a brilliant job of appearing stupid.

Max

Hr doesn't have to try very hard....


Neal may be bigoted, obtuse, and deluded, but I'm not convinced he's
stupid.

Max
He's pretending to be Ellen...how smart is that?

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although the thing to *really* look out for is port-tackers cleaning their
goggles. A capsize isn't so bad if you don't mind sliding on ice.

Back when I owned the Nite, I used to receive a six-per-year, pathetic
little iceboat racing rag that had some fair photographs. One such
photograph was of two E Skeeters that failed to yield ROW at around 90 mph.
One sliced the other in half just in front of the mast and then
disintegrated itself. Both sailors were injured, one seriously with a skull
fracture. Both survived, but probably gave up iceboat racing.

Max

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This is the first post of Ellen's that seems to dispel the notion
that "she" is actually Neal in verbal drag. Neal would know better.


Why do you say that? Neal was/is pretty dumb.

FWIW I agree that "Ellen" doesn't seem to be Neal. I wonder if "she"
is one of JAXAshby's old flames.


It has been a while since Jax departed. I suppose "she" could be Jax
him/herself, but who knows in this deceptive forum.

Max

It's Neal....


If that's true, he's doing a brilliant job of appearing stupid.

Max

Hr doesn't have to try very hard....


Neal may be bigoted, obtuse, and deluded, but I'm not convinced he's
stupid.

Max
He's pretending to be Ellen...how smart is that?

C'mon, Katy, I'm trying to draw him out with insults.

Max

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Maxprop wrote:

Have you been frostbiting, Walt?

I'm not sure the exact technical definition of that word, but yeah, I
think so. I usually get out on the water the day the lake thaws.
Sometimes there's still ice floating around. Does that count?


I guess so. Frostbiting is early and late season racing, generally in
dinghies, but I believe they call it that with big boats, too.

My last day of racing this year was Nov 5th. Dinghys. I was unaware that
racing was part of the definition, but that's covered.

I wasn't sure whether you needed one of these to qualify:
http://www.capecodfrosty.org/

That's kewl. Actually a lot of frostbiting is done in prams, like El Toros
and Sabots. Not sure what the attraction is for smaller boats--perhaps the
reasoning is that a larger dink might take longer to right after a capsize.
In 40 degree water hypothermia comes knocking at your door right quickly.

Max

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although the thing to *really* look out for is port-tackers cleaning their
goggles. A capsize isn't so bad if you don't mind sliding on ice.


I was told to watch out for geese. Since geese tend to congregate
around the holes in the ice where there's open water, you really really
don't want to go near the geese.

//Walt

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I wasn't sure whether you needed one of these to qualify:
http://www.capecodfrosty.org/


That's kewl. Actually a lot of frostbiting is done in prams, like El Toros
and Sabots. Not sure what the attraction is for smaller boats--perhaps the
reasoning is that a larger dink might take longer to right after a capsize.
In 40 degree water hypothermia comes knocking at your door right quickly.

I think it has to do with the ease of rescue. If there's a capsize, the
RC can pluck the sailor out of the water and then do the same with the
boat - Cape Cod Frosty's are light enough that the class enforces
minimum weight requirement by having the sailor stand on a scale holding
the boat.

//Walt

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This is the first post of Ellen's that seems to dispel the notion
that "she" is actually Neal in verbal drag. Neal would know better.


Why do you say that? Neal was/is pretty dumb.

FWIW I agree that "Ellen" doesn't seem to be Neal. I wonder if "she"
is one of JAXAshby's old flames.


It has been a while since Jax departed. I suppose "she" could be Jax
him/herself, but who knows in this deceptive forum.

Max

It's Neal....


If that's true, he's doing a brilliant job of appearing stupid.

Max

Hr doesn't have to try very hard....


Neal may be bigoted, obtuse, and deluded, but I'm not convinced he's
stupid.

Max

He's pretending to be Ellen...how smart is that?


C'mon, Katy, I'm trying to draw him out with insults.

Max


You call those insults? You're not at the top of your form...you need
more sting..more bite...be vitrolic...put some bitter into it for Pete's
sake...

Walt wrote:
Maxprop wrote:

"DSK" wrote

although the thing to *really* look out for is port-tackers cleaning
their goggles. A capsize isn't so bad if you don't mind sliding on ice.



I was told to watch out for geese. Since geese tend to congregate
around the holes in the ice where there's open water, you really really
don't want to go near the geese.

//Walt

besides that, then you'd have to scrape goose doo off your runner blades