Gilligan wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

This post is absolutely brilliant. In life one should always strive to
simplify, to reduce to the essentials.


Wind generators. Solar generators. Diesel generators. Shore power
cords. Fridges. Freezers.
Air conditioners. Water heaters. Microwave ovens. Propellers. What do all
these have to do with
sailboats? I think the answer is people like that don't want a sailboat.
They want to put their house
inside a boat. That's OK if they just stayed far far away from people who
don't want to be hassled
by all their commotion. And out of sight of people who don't want houses
navigating around.
Not to mention their air pollution.


Why do anchorages these days have to smell like an airport or a
truck stop?

All the crap they must haul around with them is a form of denial. They
"enjoy" life through possessing material objects.


Why does the biggest smelliest noisiest boat always anchor right upwind of
the fleet?
They can't seem to stay away. They get as close to you as they can.
It's as if they really want to
bother you. The one thing all boats need is a decibel meter. If it gets
higher than normal speech then
it explodes and sinks the boat.... YES! And they need a diesel fume
detector. If it goes off it empties
the holding tank into the bilge.
I always thought sailors were a quiet, uncomplicated group. I've
discovered there's way too many
selfish people who aren't sailors. They're Winnebago drivers lost on the
water.... They're confused.
They think Spock said "the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the few
or the many."

Cheers,
Ellen

This post is so excellent, I feel have almost ruined it by the addition of
my comments.

When things become "commercialized" (that is, money to be made) the entry
bar is lowered. Things are made comfortable, easy, "safe" and "fun". There
are some things this will never happen to. Things that require great
physical expenditure and suffering. Things that only pay in contentment and
are not fun.


Ya know, Chanteuse hasn't got any of the stuff mentioned on board...but
I am not going to sit and criticize someone else because they either
want, need, or just have that equipment. The important thing is that
they have a sailboat and that they sail. There is only one person on
this group who has an ulterior motive for talking about possessions, but
we all know his game. Carping about what someone else has just shows
what a mean spirit you have. This is not a group of purists. If you
want purism, go find a group that caters to anachronistic sailing...If
camping out in your boat is what you like, then camp. But don't sit and
judge those that don't suit your style.

katy wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

This post is absolutely brilliant. In life one should always strive to
simplify, to reduce to the essentials.


Wind generators. Solar generators. Diesel generators. Shore
power cords. Fridges. Freezers.
Air conditioners. Water heaters. Microwave ovens. Propellers. What do
all these have to do with
sailboats? I think the answer is people like that don't want a
sailboat. They want to put their house
inside a boat. That's OK if they just stayed far far away from people
who don't want to be hassled
by all their commotion. And out of sight of people who don't want
houses navigating around.
Not to mention their air pollution.


Why do anchorages these days have to smell like an airport or a
truck stop?

All the crap they must haul around with them is a form of denial. They
"enjoy" life through possessing material objects.


Why does the biggest smelliest noisiest boat always anchor right
upwind of the fleet?
They can't seem to stay away. They get as close to you as they
can. It's as if they really want to
bother you. The one thing all boats need is a decibel meter. If it
gets higher than normal speech then
it explodes and sinks the boat.... YES! And they need a diesel fume
detector. If it goes off it empties
the holding tank into the bilge.
I always thought sailors were a quiet, uncomplicated group. I've
discovered there's way too many
selfish people who aren't sailors. They're Winnebago drivers lost on
the water.... They're confused.
They think Spock said "the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the
few or the many."

Cheers,
Ellen

This post is so excellent, I feel have almost ruined it by the
addition of my comments.

When things become "commercialized" (that is, money to be made) the
entry bar is lowered. Things are made comfortable, easy, "safe" and
"fun". There are some things this will never happen to. Things that
require great physical expenditure and suffering. Things that only pay
in contentment and are not fun.

Ya know, Chanteuse hasn't got any of the stuff mentioned on board...but
I am not going to sit and criticize someone else because they either
want, need, or just have that equipment. The important thing is that
they have a sailboat and that they sail. There is only one person on
this group who has an ulterior motive for talking about possessions, but
we all know his game. Carping about what someone else has just shows
what a mean spirit you have. This is not a group of purists. If you
want purism, go find a group that caters to anachronistic sailing...If
camping out in your boat is what you like, then camp. But don't sit and
judge those that don't suit your style.

oh...we do have a propeller...a two blade...whoop-dee....

"katy" wrote in


Wind generators. Solar generators. Diesel
generators. Shore power
cords. Fridges. Freezers.
Air conditioners. Water heaters. Microwave ovens.
Propellers.





Ya know, Chanteuse hasn't got any of the stuff mentioned
on board...


No prop?


Scotty

Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in

Wind generators. Solar generators. Diesel
generators. Shore power
cords. Fridges. Freezers.
Air conditioners. Water heaters. Microwave ovens.
Propellers.




Ya know, Chanteuse hasn't got any of the stuff mentioned
on board...


No prop?


Scotty


I already caught that...

"katy" wrote
| Ya know, Chanteuse hasn't got any of the stuff mentioned on board...but
| I am not going to sit and criticize someone else because they either
| want, need, or just have that equipment. The important thing is that
| they have a sailboat and that they sail.


When they get to that stage they mostly motor around. If you sail you've seen it happen.
They hardly sail at all. They need the motor going all the time to keep all the electrical stuff
running. Your other point about their want's or needs, I agree a little. It's all OK if they want
to live in a house chock full of as much stuff as they can cram in. But when their stuff spills
out into the yard and into their neighbors yard and house then they've gone too far. That's
the point about sailboats I was making. Their stuff like noise, exhaust fumes and stealing
your space has no business depriving you of your peace and quiet and fresh air and privacy.

| There is only one person on
| this group who has an ulterior motive for talking about possessions, but
| we all know his game.

That would be Capt. Rob. :-) Exactly like I'm talking about. But in his case his stuff spills
out of the house. It runs down the wires to the internet. It dumps out here in the news group.
And here it pollutes the peace and quiet and privacy of many who can't stand it. But here you
can delete him. That's the remedy. You can't delete a noisy smelly space hogging house posing
as a sailboat. You just have to put up with it or move. Why should you have to move?

| Carping about what someone else has just shows
| what a mean spirit you have. This is not a group of purists. If you
| want purism, go find a group that caters to anachronistic sailing...If
| camping out in your boat is what you like, then camp. But don't sit and
| judge those that don't suit your style.

I don't have a mean bone in my body, Katy. I don't carp. I tell it like it is.... I don't judge
people who don't interfere with my rights. If somebody wants to be gay what they do in the
privacy of their house doesn't bother me one teeny bit. But when they come over and do it
on the deck of my boat they've gone to far. It's no different with smelly exhaust, noisy
generators, loud music, shouting and public drunkenness. It's coming over on the deck of my
boat. It's coming *inside* my boat. Are you saying your rights aren't important? Well, I'm
saying mine are important. People need to stop being so selfish. That guy asking about wind
generators is selfish. You can tell just by reading his posts and his reaction when he didn't
get what *he* wanted.
The only thing you have to think about is doing unto others as you would have them do to you.
Certainly you wouldn't anchor in front of somebody and choke them with diesel exhaust all night
long. And only so you could be a little more comfortable. That makes it OK to make them miserable?
That's selfish but that's how most people operate these days. It's shameful! It's un-Christian.

Cheers,
Ellen

That reminds me, I must have seen at least a dozen sailboats
motoring WITH the wind. Most of them were Big Bendys with
matching dodgers, biminis, sailcovers, in mast furling,
radar, and all the bells and whistles, yet, they were
motoring on a perfect sailing day. What's up with that?


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_



"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
message
reenews.ne
t...

"katy" wrote
| Ya know, Chanteuse hasn't got any of the stuff mentioned
on board...but
| I am not going to sit and criticize someone else because
they either
| want, need, or just have that equipment. The important
thing is that
| they have a sailboat and that they sail.


When they get to that stage they mostly motor around.
If you sail you've seen it happen.
They hardly sail at all. They need the motor going all the
time to keep all the electrical stuff
running. Your other point about their want's or needs, I
agree a little. It's all OK if they want
to live in a house chock full of as much stuff as they can
cram in. But when their stuff spills
out into the yard and into their neighbors yard and house
then they've gone too far. That's
the point about sailboats I was making. Their stuff like
noise, exhaust fumes and stealing
your space has no business depriving you of your peace and
quiet and fresh air and privacy.

| There is only one person on
| this group who has an ulterior motive for talking about
possessions, but
| we all know his game.

That would be Capt. Rob. :-) Exactly like I'm
talking about. But in his case his stuff spills
out of the house. It runs down the wires to the internet.
It dumps out here in the news group.
And here it pollutes the peace and quiet and privacy of
many who can't stand it. But here you
can delete him. That's the remedy. You can't delete a
noisy smelly space hogging house posing
as a sailboat. You just have to put up with it or move.
Why should you have to move?

| Carping about what someone else has just shows
| what a mean spirit you have. This is not a group of
purists. If you
| want purism, go find a group that caters to
anachronistic sailing...If
| camping out in your boat is what you like, then camp.
But don't sit and
| judge those that don't suit your style.

I don't have a mean bone in my body, Katy. I don't
carp. I tell it like it is.... I don't judge
people who don't interfere with my rights. If somebody
wants to be gay what they do in the
privacy of their house doesn't bother me one teeny bit.
But when they come over and do it
on the deck of my boat they've gone to far. It's no
different with smelly exhaust, noisy
generators, loud music, shouting and public drunkenness.
It's coming over on the deck of my
boat. It's coming *inside* my boat. Are you saying your
rights aren't important? Well, I'm
saying mine are important. People need to stop being so
selfish. That guy asking about wind
generators is selfish. You can tell just by reading his
posts and his reaction when he didn't
get what *he* wanted.
The only thing you have to think about is doing unto
others as you would have them do to you.
Certainly you wouldn't anchor in front of somebody and
choke them with diesel exhaust all night
long. And only so you could be a little more comfortable.
That makes it OK to make them miserable?
That's selfish but that's how most people operate these
days. It's shameful! It's un-Christian.

Cheers,
Ellen

Scotty wrote:
That reminds me, I must have seen at least a dozen sailboats
motoring WITH the wind. Most of them were Big Bendys with
matching dodgers, biminis, sailcovers, in mast furling,
radar, and all the bells and whistles, yet, they were
motoring on a perfect sailing day. What's up with that?


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_



"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
message
reenews.ne
t...
"katy" wrote
| Ya know, Chanteuse hasn't got any of the stuff mentioned
on board...but
| I am not going to sit and criticize someone else because
they either
| want, need, or just have that equipment. The important
thing is that
| they have a sailboat and that they sail.


When they get to that stage they mostly motor around.
If you sail you've seen it happen.
They hardly sail at all. They need the motor going all the
time to keep all the electrical stuff
running. Your other point about their want's or needs, I
agree a little. It's all OK if they want
to live in a house chock full of as much stuff as they can
cram in. But when their stuff spills
out into the yard and into their neighbors yard and house
then they've gone too far. That's
the point about sailboats I was making. Their stuff like
noise, exhaust fumes and stealing
your space has no business depriving you of your peace and
quiet and fresh air and privacy.
| There is only one person on
| this group who has an ulterior motive for talking about
possessions, but
| we all know his game.

That would be Capt. Rob. :-) Exactly like I'm
talking about. But in his case his stuff spills
out of the house. It runs down the wires to the internet.
It dumps out here in the news group.
And here it pollutes the peace and quiet and privacy of
many who can't stand it. But here you
can delete him. That's the remedy. You can't delete a
noisy smelly space hogging house posing
as a sailboat. You just have to put up with it or move.
Why should you have to move?
| Carping about what someone else has just shows
| what a mean spirit you have. This is not a group of
purists. If you
| want purism, go find a group that caters to
anachronistic sailing...If
| camping out in your boat is what you like, then camp.
But don't sit and
| judge those that don't suit your style.

I don't have a mean bone in my body, Katy. I don't
carp. I tell it like it is.... I don't judge
people who don't interfere with my rights. If somebody
wants to be gay what they do in the
privacy of their house doesn't bother me one teeny bit.
But when they come over and do it
on the deck of my boat they've gone to far. It's no
different with smelly exhaust, noisy
generators, loud music, shouting and public drunkenness.
It's coming over on the deck of my
boat. It's coming *inside* my boat. Are you saying your
rights aren't important? Well, I'm
saying mine are important. People need to stop being so
selfish. That guy asking about wind
generators is selfish. You can tell just by reading his
posts and his reaction when he didn't
get what *he* wanted.
The only thing you have to think about is doing unto
others as you would have them do to you.
Certainly you wouldn't anchor in front of somebody and
choke them with diesel exhaust all night
long. And only so you could be a little more comfortable.
That makes it OK to make them miserable?
That's selfish but that's how most people operate these
days. It's shameful! It's un-Christian.
Cheers,
Ellen


They needed to get somewhere faster?

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
A whole lot of carping, complaining, and getting in the way of others
rights....

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:57:02 -0400, katy
wrote:

Gilligan wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

This post is absolutely brilliant. In life one should always strive to
simplify, to reduce to the essentials.


Wind generators. Solar generators. Diesel generators. Shore power
cords. Fridges. Freezers.
Air conditioners. Water heaters. Microwave ovens. Propellers. What do all
these have to do with
sailboats? I think the answer is people like that don't want a sailboat.
They want to put their house
inside a boat. That's OK if they just stayed far far away from people who
don't want to be hassled
by all their commotion. And out of sight of people who don't want houses
navigating around.
Not to mention their air pollution.


Why do anchorages these days have to smell like an airport or a
truck stop?

All the crap they must haul around with them is a form of denial. They
"enjoy" life through possessing material objects.


Why does the biggest smelliest noisiest boat always anchor right upwind of
the fleet?
They can't seem to stay away. They get as close to you as they can.
It's as if they really want to
bother you. The one thing all boats need is a decibel meter. If it gets
higher than normal speech then
it explodes and sinks the boat.... YES! And they need a diesel fume
detector. If it goes off it empties
the holding tank into the bilge.
I always thought sailors were a quiet, uncomplicated group. I've
discovered there's way too many
selfish people who aren't sailors. They're Winnebago drivers lost on the
water.... They're confused.
They think Spock said "the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the few
or the many."

Cheers,
Ellen

This post is so excellent, I feel have almost ruined it by the addition of
my comments.

When things become "commercialized" (that is, money to be made) the entry
bar is lowered. Things are made comfortable, easy, "safe" and "fun". There
are some things this will never happen to. Things that require great
physical expenditure and suffering. Things that only pay in contentment and
are not fun.


Ya know, Chanteuse hasn't got any of the stuff mentioned on board...but
I am not going to sit and criticize someone else because they either
want, need, or just have that equipment. .............

I certainly will depending on the noise and smell.

I've been anchored in a protected cove with opening ports, hatches and
windscoop my method of cooling and had boats come up running
generators so they could have AC and TV and/or loud music devices.
Generally they are the same idiots who will not tie off their
halyards, let them slap against their masts all night since, with
their boats closed up, and the drone of the genset and AC, they can't
hear them.

Frank

Yeah, I've been known to go fix the problem late at night on some other
boats in the marina. I put a nice knot in them (something they can undo
easily) but something obvious in the hope they'll get the message. No one is
ever there when I go by, so that means they put it away and left.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:57:02 -0400, katy
wrote:

Gilligan wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

This post is absolutely brilliant. In life one should always strive to
simplify, to reduce to the essentials.


Wind generators. Solar generators. Diesel generators. Shore power
cords. Fridges. Freezers.
Air conditioners. Water heaters. Microwave ovens. Propellers. What do
all
these have to do with
sailboats? I think the answer is people like that don't want a
sailboat.
They want to put their house
inside a boat. That's OK if they just stayed far far away from people
who
don't want to be hassled
by all their commotion. And out of sight of people who don't want
houses
navigating around.
Not to mention their air pollution.


Why do anchorages these days have to smell like an airport or a
truck stop?

All the crap they must haul around with them is a form of denial. They
"enjoy" life through possessing material objects.


Why does the biggest smelliest noisiest boat always anchor right upwind
of
the fleet?
They can't seem to stay away. They get as close to you as they can.
It's as if they really want to
bother you. The one thing all boats need is a decibel meter. If it gets
higher than normal speech then
it explodes and sinks the boat.... YES! And they need a diesel fume
detector. If it goes off it empties
the holding tank into the bilge.
I always thought sailors were a quiet, uncomplicated group. I've
discovered there's way too many
selfish people who aren't sailors. They're Winnebago drivers lost on
the
water.... They're confused.
They think Spock said "the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the
few
or the many."

Cheers,
Ellen

This post is so excellent, I feel have almost ruined it by the addition
of
my comments.

When things become "commercialized" (that is, money to be made) the
entry
bar is lowered. Things are made comfortable, easy, "safe" and "fun".
There
are some things this will never happen to. Things that require great
physical expenditure and suffering. Things that only pay in contentment
and
are not fun.


Ya know, Chanteuse hasn't got any of the stuff mentioned on board...but
I am not going to sit and criticize someone else because they either
want, need, or just have that equipment. .............

I certainly will depending on the noise and smell.

I've been anchored in a protected cove with opening ports, hatches and
windscoop my method of cooling and had boats come up running
generators so they could have AC and TV and/or loud music devices.
Generally they are the same idiots who will not tie off their
halyards, let them slap against their masts all night since, with
their boats closed up, and the drone of the genset and AC, they can't
hear them.

Frank