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That reminds me, I must have seen at least a dozen sailboats
motoring WITH the wind. Most of them were Big Bendys with matching dodgers, biminis, sailcovers, in mast furling, radar, and all the bells and whistles, yet, they were motoring on a perfect sailing day. What's up with that? -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.ne t... "katy" wrote | Ya know, Chanteuse hasn't got any of the stuff mentioned on board...but | I am not going to sit and criticize someone else because they either | want, need, or just have that equipment. The important thing is that | they have a sailboat and that they sail. When they get to that stage they mostly motor around. If you sail you've seen it happen. They hardly sail at all. They need the motor going all the time to keep all the electrical stuff running. Your other point about their want's or needs, I agree a little. It's all OK if they want to live in a house chock full of as much stuff as they can cram in. But when their stuff spills out into the yard and into their neighbors yard and house then they've gone too far. That's the point about sailboats I was making. Their stuff like noise, exhaust fumes and stealing your space has no business depriving you of your peace and quiet and fresh air and privacy. | There is only one person on | this group who has an ulterior motive for talking about possessions, but | we all know his game. That would be Capt. Rob. :-) Exactly like I'm talking about. But in his case his stuff spills out of the house. It runs down the wires to the internet. It dumps out here in the news group. And here it pollutes the peace and quiet and privacy of many who can't stand it. But here you can delete him. That's the remedy. You can't delete a noisy smelly space hogging house posing as a sailboat. You just have to put up with it or move. Why should you have to move? | Carping about what someone else has just shows | what a mean spirit you have. This is not a group of purists. If you | want purism, go find a group that caters to anachronistic sailing...If | camping out in your boat is what you like, then camp. But don't sit and | judge those that don't suit your style. I don't have a mean bone in my body, Katy. I don't carp. I tell it like it is.... I don't judge people who don't interfere with my rights. If somebody wants to be gay what they do in the privacy of their house doesn't bother me one teeny bit. But when they come over and do it on the deck of my boat they've gone to far. It's no different with smelly exhaust, noisy generators, loud music, shouting and public drunkenness. It's coming over on the deck of my boat. It's coming *inside* my boat. Are you saying your rights aren't important? Well, I'm saying mine are important. People need to stop being so selfish. That guy asking about wind generators is selfish. You can tell just by reading his posts and his reaction when he didn't get what *he* wanted. The only thing you have to think about is doing unto others as you would have them do to you. Certainly you wouldn't anchor in front of somebody and choke them with diesel exhaust all night long. And only so you could be a little more comfortable. That makes it OK to make them miserable? That's selfish but that's how most people operate these days. It's shameful! It's un-Christian. Cheers, Ellen |
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Scotty wrote:
That reminds me, I must have seen at least a dozen sailboats motoring WITH the wind. Most of them were Big Bendys with matching dodgers, biminis, sailcovers, in mast furling, radar, and all the bells and whistles, yet, they were motoring on a perfect sailing day. What's up with that? -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.ne t... "katy" wrote | Ya know, Chanteuse hasn't got any of the stuff mentioned on board...but | I am not going to sit and criticize someone else because they either | want, need, or just have that equipment. The important thing is that | they have a sailboat and that they sail. When they get to that stage they mostly motor around. If you sail you've seen it happen. They hardly sail at all. They need the motor going all the time to keep all the electrical stuff running. Your other point about their want's or needs, I agree a little. It's all OK if they want to live in a house chock full of as much stuff as they can cram in. But when their stuff spills out into the yard and into their neighbors yard and house then they've gone too far. That's the point about sailboats I was making. Their stuff like noise, exhaust fumes and stealing your space has no business depriving you of your peace and quiet and fresh air and privacy. | There is only one person on | this group who has an ulterior motive for talking about possessions, but | we all know his game. That would be Capt. Rob. :-) Exactly like I'm talking about. But in his case his stuff spills out of the house. It runs down the wires to the internet. It dumps out here in the news group. And here it pollutes the peace and quiet and privacy of many who can't stand it. But here you can delete him. That's the remedy. You can't delete a noisy smelly space hogging house posing as a sailboat. You just have to put up with it or move. Why should you have to move? | Carping about what someone else has just shows | what a mean spirit you have. This is not a group of purists. If you | want purism, go find a group that caters to anachronistic sailing...If | camping out in your boat is what you like, then camp. But don't sit and | judge those that don't suit your style. I don't have a mean bone in my body, Katy. I don't carp. I tell it like it is.... I don't judge people who don't interfere with my rights. If somebody wants to be gay what they do in the privacy of their house doesn't bother me one teeny bit. But when they come over and do it on the deck of my boat they've gone to far. It's no different with smelly exhaust, noisy generators, loud music, shouting and public drunkenness. It's coming over on the deck of my boat. It's coming *inside* my boat. Are you saying your rights aren't important? Well, I'm saying mine are important. People need to stop being so selfish. That guy asking about wind generators is selfish. You can tell just by reading his posts and his reaction when he didn't get what *he* wanted. The only thing you have to think about is doing unto others as you would have them do to you. Certainly you wouldn't anchor in front of somebody and choke them with diesel exhaust all night long. And only so you could be a little more comfortable. That makes it OK to make them miserable? That's selfish but that's how most people operate these days. It's shameful! It's un-Christian. Cheers, Ellen They needed to get somewhere faster? |
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Ellen MacArthur wrote:
A whole lot of carping, complaining, and getting in the way of others rights.... |
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Capt. JG wrote:
Ellen has just slept around. I doubt it.... |
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DSK wrote:
Capt. JG wrote: That's right. Get out the hammer, or better yet go natural and pick up a rock, and smash that compass. Also, smash or remove anything that isn't natural. Take down those Dacron sails and burn them (no matches please), remove the aluminum mast and use something made of wood. No stainless fasteners please. While you're at it, remove all clothing (Scotty will like this) that isn't 100% natural fibers. Don't forget the boat is made out of evil fiberglass. And God hates people with indoor plumbing, too. DSK You finally got that toilet installed? |
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Yeah, I've been known to go fix the problem late at night on some other
boats in the marina. I put a nice knot in them (something they can undo easily) but something obvious in the hope they'll get the message. No one is ever there when I go by, so that means they put it away and left. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:57:02 -0400, katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... This post is absolutely brilliant. In life one should always strive to simplify, to reduce to the essentials. Wind generators. Solar generators. Diesel generators. Shore power cords. Fridges. Freezers. Air conditioners. Water heaters. Microwave ovens. Propellers. What do all these have to do with sailboats? I think the answer is people like that don't want a sailboat. They want to put their house inside a boat. That's OK if they just stayed far far away from people who don't want to be hassled by all their commotion. And out of sight of people who don't want houses navigating around. Not to mention their air pollution. Why do anchorages these days have to smell like an airport or a truck stop? All the crap they must haul around with them is a form of denial. They "enjoy" life through possessing material objects. Why does the biggest smelliest noisiest boat always anchor right upwind of the fleet? They can't seem to stay away. They get as close to you as they can. It's as if they really want to bother you. The one thing all boats need is a decibel meter. If it gets higher than normal speech then it explodes and sinks the boat.... YES! And they need a diesel fume detector. If it goes off it empties the holding tank into the bilge. I always thought sailors were a quiet, uncomplicated group. I've discovered there's way too many selfish people who aren't sailors. They're Winnebago drivers lost on the water.... They're confused. They think Spock said "the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the few or the many." Cheers, Ellen This post is so excellent, I feel have almost ruined it by the addition of my comments. When things become "commercialized" (that is, money to be made) the entry bar is lowered. Things are made comfortable, easy, "safe" and "fun". There are some things this will never happen to. Things that require great physical expenditure and suffering. Things that only pay in contentment and are not fun. Ya know, Chanteuse hasn't got any of the stuff mentioned on board...but I am not going to sit and criticize someone else because they either want, need, or just have that equipment. ............. I certainly will depending on the noise and smell. I've been anchored in a protected cove with opening ports, hatches and windscoop my method of cooling and had boats come up running generators so they could have AC and TV and/or loud music devices. Generally they are the same idiots who will not tie off their halyards, let them slap against their masts all night since, with their boats closed up, and the drone of the genset and AC, they can't hear them. Frank |
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That's right. Even Joe's boat wouldn't qualify. Neal was right... only cedar
buckets allowed aboard. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "DSK" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: That's right. Get out the hammer, or better yet go natural and pick up a rock, and smash that compass. Also, smash or remove anything that isn't natural. Take down those Dacron sails and burn them (no matches please), remove the aluminum mast and use something made of wood. No stainless fasteners please. While you're at it, remove all clothing (Scotty will like this) that isn't 100% natural fibers. Don't forget the boat is made out of evil fiberglass. And God hates people with indoor plumbing, too. DSK |
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Ellen is guy. So, no. I wouldn't enjoy it.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message . .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... That's right. Get out the hammer, or better yet go natural and pick up a rock, and smash that compass. Also, smash or remove anything that isn't natural. Take down those Dacron sails and burn them (no matches please), remove the aluminum mast and use something made of wood. No stainless fasteners please. While you're at it, remove all clothing (Scotty will like this) and you won't? |
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"Frank Boettcher" wrote | I've been anchored in a protected cove with opening ports, hatches and | windscoop my method of cooling and had boats come up running | generators so they could have AC and TV and/or loud music devices. | Generally they are the same idiots who will not tie off their | halyards, let them slap against their masts all night since, with | their boats closed up, and the drone of the genset and AC, they can't | hear them. Can you beat this one? Me and a friend anchored in an out of the way little cove one afternoon. We wanted to watch the sunset sip some wine and have a quiet night. It was great. We were the only boat in there. About ten minutes before sunset this big ugly motor boat comes in on a plane. He wakes us then turns and anchors about fifty feet from us. (The cove was big enough that he could have anchored a hundred yards away easy.) Right smack dab in the exact spot where we can't see the sunset. He totally blocked the view. He plays loud music. He cooks some burgers on his barbeque. He has two dogs running around barking. Thank God he left about a half hour after sunset. Can you get any more rude and selfish than that? Hey, does Capt. Rob have a motorboat too? Cheers, Ellen |
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"Capt. JG" wrote | Ellen is guy. So, no. I wouldn't enjoy it. Uh huh! http://www.badongo.com/pic/295524 Cheers, Ellen |