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Or, you could get someone from the yard to stand there. :-)

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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Okay, I'll buy one more.

SV

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You need at least three. :-)

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Krusty" wrote in message
...
NY

At present, Scott's entire boat is effectively a firmly
set anchor. Lets hope it
doesn't fall over!


You think I need more stands?

SV

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Joe wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:

You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.


I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.


Joe, are you saying you tie up to one of the oil platforms, and if so,
how do you keep your boat from swinging into parts of the platform when
currents change? (Might be hard on the mast.) Or, do you only do this
when you maintain a watch to monitor the situation continuously?
Somehow I don't think my little boat would fare as well in that kind of
situation as Red Cloud, built of reinforced stainless steel of course.

Jim

Jim

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

"JimC" wrote in message
y.com...


Joe wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:

You don't need an anchor light in a designated
anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of
your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.


I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I
mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water
to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I
only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than
getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your
anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in
8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a
platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in
weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with
no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a
cozy cove it's
a totally different story.


Joe, are you saying you tie up to one of the oil
platforms, and if so,
how do you keep your boat from swinging into parts of the
platform when
currents change? (Might be hard on the mast.) Or, do you
only do this
when you maintain a watch to monitor the situation
continuously?
Somehow I don't think my little boat would fare as well in
that kind of
situation as Red Cloud, built of reinforced stainless
steel of course.


''stainless steel''? that's a good one, Jim.


SV

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

JimC wrote:
Joe wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:

You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.


I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.


Joe, are you saying you tie up to one of the oil platforms, and if so,
how do you keep your boat from swinging into parts of the platform when
currents change?

Yes we do. Thats why someone is awake all the time in the wheelhouse.
You hang off relying on wind and, or current to hold you off the rig.
Not many production platforms have back down bouys to hold you off.

(Might be hard on the mast.) Or, do you only do this
when you maintain a watch to monitor the situation continuously?

Yes

Somehow I don't think my little boat would fare as well in that kind of
situation as Red Cloud, built of reinforced stainless steel of course.

I've seen 1 " thick steel torn open like a sardine can just bumping up
against a Jack-up's legs teeth. Not only do you FU the boat, the oil
company will fire you, they get scared when you start rocking and
bumping them.

Joe

Jim

Jim

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

I don't know, I'm not a ''Capt. ''.

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Isn't that related to size of vessel? I can't remember and
it's late here.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Technically you should show an anchor ball, right?

SV

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
If the holding is good and you're only going to be
there a
short time, and
it's during the day, you don't need an anchor light,
and
you don't need to
keep a watch. Why two anchors? Is the bottom that lousy
or
the wind/current
shifting that much? How did you deploy?

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"JimC" wrote in message

. com...
I wasn't thinking of using it at sea. What I had in
mind
was anchoring
behind Red Fish Island, with two anchors, and taking a
nap. I have one on
my Garmin chartplotter, but I think I need a backup.

Jim


Joe wrote:
JimC wrote:

What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that
includes an anchor alarm?

Jim


Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need
someone
on watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone
needs to be awake
and on watch.

Joe







Joe wrote:


BB wrote:



Most new doctors get their REAL training amd
mentoring from Registered
Nurses. If your wife is an RN and works in a
hospital
setting, I'm
sure she can verify that for you. Rob is correct
that
many MD's are
not as capable in emergency situations as many
nurses.


So that would be like "Capt Rob" learning from a
real
cabin boy..right?


That doesn't


make them incompetent as Doctors. They just have
different strengths
or areas of expertise. Some plumbers may also have
carpentry skills,
and some anesthesiologists may have skills in
orthopedics. Critical
care and emergency room nurses tend to be
generalists, and are used to
making very quick and correct decisions on life
and
death matters
under pressure.


Indeed they do...not a job I'd wan't to deal with.
Pays pretty good.
High burnout average and turnover. I bet it's high
stress if you have
passion towards the people you are treating. Top
that
off with the
million plus people killed in Hospitals from
medical
mistakes a career
wrought with stress.

IMO Rob should publish that best seller, or direct
a
block buster and
provide Suzy with a less stressfull life.

Joe




BB

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be
seen:

(i) in the fore part, an all-round white light or one
ball;



(e) A vessel of less than 7 meters in length, when at anchor
not in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other
vessels normally navigate, shall not be required to exhibit
the shape prescribed in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this Rule.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...g/colregs.html



"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Isn't that related to size of vessel? I can't remember and
it's late here.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Technically you should show an anchor ball, right?

SV

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
If the holding is good and you're only going to be
there a
short time, and
it's during the day, you don't need an anchor light,
and
you don't need to
keep a watch. Why two anchors? Is the bottom that lousy
or
the wind/current
shifting that much? How did you deploy?

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"JimC" wrote in message

. com...
I wasn't thinking of using it at sea. What I had in
mind
was anchoring
behind Red Fish Island, with two anchors, and taking a
nap. I have one on
my Garmin chartplotter, but I think I need a backup.

Jim


Joe wrote:
JimC wrote:

What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that
includes an anchor alarm?

Jim


Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need
someone
on watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone
needs to be awake
and on watch.

Joe







Joe wrote:


BB wrote:



Most new doctors get their REAL training amd
mentoring from Registered
Nurses. If your wife is an RN and works in a
hospital
setting, I'm
sure she can verify that for you. Rob is correct
that
many MD's are
not as capable in emergency situations as many
nurses.


So that would be like "Capt Rob" learning from a
real
cabin boy..right?


That doesn't


make them incompetent as Doctors. They just have
different strengths
or areas of expertise. Some plumbers may also have
carpentry skills,
and some anesthesiologists may have skills in
orthopedics. Critical
care and emergency room nurses tend to be
generalists, and are used to
making very quick and correct decisions on life
and
death matters
under pressure.


Indeed they do...not a job I'd wan't to deal with.
Pays pretty good.
High burnout average and turnover. I bet it's high
stress if you have
passion towards the people you are treating. Top
that
off with the
million plus people killed in Hospitals from
medical
mistakes a career
wrought with stress.

IMO Rob should publish that best seller, or direct
a
block buster and
provide Suzy with a less stressfull life.

Joe




BB

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

Jim, Joe has a steel boat. He doesn't have to worry about a stinkin oil rig.
:-)

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"JimC" wrote in message
y.com...


Joe wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:

You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.


I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.


Joe, are you saying you tie up to one of the oil platforms, and if so, how
do you keep your boat from swinging into parts of the platform when
currents change? (Might be hard on the mast.) Or, do you only do this when
you maintain a watch to monitor the situation continuously? Somehow I
don't think my little boat would fare as well in that kind of situation as
Red Cloud, built of reinforced stainless steel of course.

Jim

Jim

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

That's international... I think we're concerned (well, I am) with inland,
which is:

RULE 30

Anchored Vessels and Vessels Aground


a.. (a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen:


1.. (i) in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball; and


2.. (ii) at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light
prescribed in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light.


b.. (b) A vessel of less than 50 meters in length may exhibit an all-round
white light where it can best be seen instead of the lights prescribed in
paragraph (a) of this Rule.


c.. (c) A vessel at anchor may, and a vessel of 100 meters or more in
length shall, also use the available working or equivalent lights to
illuminate her decks.


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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be
seen:

(i) in the fore part, an all-round white light or one
ball;



(e) A vessel of less than 7 meters in length, when at anchor
not in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other
vessels normally navigate, shall not be required to exhibit
the shape prescribed in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this Rule.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...g/colregs.html



"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Isn't that related to size of vessel? I can't remember and
it's late here.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Technically you should show an anchor ball, right?

SV

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
If the holding is good and you're only going to be
there a
short time, and
it's during the day, you don't need an anchor light,
and
you don't need to
keep a watch. Why two anchors? Is the bottom that lousy
or
the wind/current
shifting that much? How did you deploy?

--
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www.sailnow.com

"JimC" wrote in message

. com...
I wasn't thinking of using it at sea. What I had in
mind
was anchoring
behind Red Fish Island, with two anchors, and taking a
nap. I have one on
my Garmin chartplotter, but I think I need a backup.

Jim


Joe wrote:
JimC wrote:

What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that
includes an anchor alarm?

Jim


Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need
someone
on watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone
needs to be awake
and on watch.

Joe







Joe wrote:


BB wrote:



Most new doctors get their REAL training amd
mentoring from Registered
Nurses. If your wife is an RN and works in a
hospital
setting, I'm
sure she can verify that for you. Rob is correct
that
many MD's are
not as capable in emergency situations as many
nurses.


So that would be like "Capt Rob" learning from a
real
cabin boy..right?


That doesn't


make them incompetent as Doctors. They just have
different strengths
or areas of expertise. Some plumbers may also have
carpentry skills,
and some anesthesiologists may have skills in
orthopedics. Critical
care and emergency room nurses tend to be
generalists, and are used to
making very quick and correct decisions on life
and
death matters
under pressure.


Indeed they do...not a job I'd wan't to deal with.
Pays pretty good.
High burnout average and turnover. I bet it's high
stress if you have
passion towards the people you are treating. Top
that
off with the
million plus people killed in Hospitals from
medical
mistakes a career
wrought with stress.

IMO Rob should publish that best seller, or direct
a
block buster and
provide Suzy with a less stressfull life.

Joe




BB

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

FYI, here's the PDF (not PFD). :-)

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/mwv_f...s/navrules.pdf

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be
seen:

(i) in the fore part, an all-round white light or one
ball;



(e) A vessel of less than 7 meters in length, when at anchor
not in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other
vessels normally navigate, shall not be required to exhibit
the shape prescribed in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this Rule.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...g/colregs.html



"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Isn't that related to size of vessel? I can't remember and
it's late here.

--
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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Technically you should show an anchor ball, right?

SV

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
If the holding is good and you're only going to be
there a
short time, and
it's during the day, you don't need an anchor light,
and
you don't need to
keep a watch. Why two anchors? Is the bottom that lousy
or
the wind/current
shifting that much? How did you deploy?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JimC" wrote in message

. com...
I wasn't thinking of using it at sea. What I had in
mind
was anchoring
behind Red Fish Island, with two anchors, and taking a
nap. I have one on
my Garmin chartplotter, but I think I need a backup.

Jim


Joe wrote:
JimC wrote:

What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that
includes an anchor alarm?

Jim


Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need
someone
on watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone
needs to be awake
and on watch.

Joe







Joe wrote:


BB wrote:



Most new doctors get their REAL training amd
mentoring from Registered
Nurses. If your wife is an RN and works in a
hospital
setting, I'm
sure she can verify that for you. Rob is correct
that
many MD's are
not as capable in emergency situations as many
nurses.


So that would be like "Capt Rob" learning from a
real
cabin boy..right?


That doesn't


make them incompetent as Doctors. They just have
different strengths
or areas of expertise. Some plumbers may also have
carpentry skills,
and some anesthesiologists may have skills in
orthopedics. Critical
care and emergency room nurses tend to be
generalists, and are used to
making very quick and correct decisions on life
and
death matters
under pressure.


Indeed they do...not a job I'd wan't to deal with.
Pays pretty good.
High burnout average and turnover. I bet it's high
stress if you have
passion towards the people you are treating. Top
that
off with the
million plus people killed in Hospitals from
medical
mistakes a career
wrought with stress.

IMO Rob should publish that best seller, or direct
a
block buster and
provide Suzy with a less stressfull life.

Joe




BB

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

Capt. JG wrote:
Jim, Joe has a steel boat. He doesn't have to worry about a stinkin oil rig.
:-)


Jim's seen my boat Jon. Even left a bunch of Corona:0)

But it's easy to tear and punch holes in anything when you just brush
against the corners of a jack -up Rig. Aluminum crewboat's cut-up like
butter. You do not tie to jack-up's or and rig to pleasure fish, you
tie to production platforms.

This is a small jack-up but it show the corner of the legs and the
dreaded jacking teeth.
They just launched 3-4 500 ft Jack-up buildt in Singapore this year.
http://www.ocsbbs.com/AOC%20Offshore...0Collapse2.jpg

Joe


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"JimC" wrote in message
y.com...


Joe wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:

You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.


I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.


Joe, are you saying you tie up to one of the oil platforms, and if so, how
do you keep your boat from swinging into parts of the platform when
currents change? (Might be hard on the mast.) Or, do you only do this when
you maintain a watch to monitor the situation continuously? Somehow I
don't think my little boat would fare as well in that kind of situation as
Red Cloud, built of reinforced stainless steel of course.

Jim

Jim