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Designated, as in, must be on the charts, right? Not just a
popular anchorage, like some people assume.

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
If you're in a designated anchorage, you're not *required*
to have a light.
Are you disagreeing with this?

If you're confident in your holding ability, do you need
to keep a watch?
What about in a designated anchorage? What about in any
other place? Sounds
like you're not in a designated anchorage offshore and
you're not confident
of your holding. If true, then I agree, you need a watch
at all times.

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"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com..
..

Capt. JG wrote:
You don't need an anchor light in a designated
anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of
your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.

I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I
mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water
to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I
only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than
getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your
anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in
8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a
platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in
weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with
no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a
cozy cove it's
a totally different story.

Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the
time, depending on
the
conditions.

all the time, awake IMO offshore. Unless you are solo,
and thats a
choice you make and deal with...you just have to accept
the added
danger. Solo I'd say you never sleep you nap.

Joe


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"Joe" wrote in message

ups.com...

Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com..
.

JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that
includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim

Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need
someone on
watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone
needs
to be awake
and on watch.


When you're single handing?

No, when you are single handling you better be sure
you are anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor
light. Single handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range
alaRm set. Or you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will
allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that
will arouse you at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the
sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30
kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is
needed.

jOE

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Why don't you tie up to something on land? Can't you float
in about 1' of water?

SBV


"JimC" wrote in message
...


Capt. JG wrote:

If the holding is good and you're only going to be there
a short time, and
it's during the day, you don't need an anchor light, and
you don't need to
keep a watch. Why two anchors? Is the bottom that lousy
or the wind/current
shifting that much? How did you deploy?


I may want to spend the night on occasion. The reasons for
two anchors
are as follows:

A. There may be traffic in and out, and I want to restrict
the "swing"
so I stay in a relatively small area. I may have to
change to one
anchor if other boats are on a single anchor and I have to
swing with
the crowd, but I don't think that will be the case.

B. Just north of the island is the Houston-Galveston ship
channel, with
lots of traffic of all kinds. Two anchors, even if both
are on the bow,
provide a little better security and backup, particularly
if there is a
change in tide direction that might lead to dragging one
of the anchors.
In particular, I would hate to wake up in the middle of
the night and
find that, due to a change in tidal currents, a single
anchor
(originally set hard with 7:1 scope) was dragging and I
was floating
across the Houston ship channel.

Jim

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Why don't you tie up to something on land? Can't you float
in about 1' of water?



Pretty funny from a guy with a boat that's not floating at all!!!
I'm sailing tomorrow and Monday....
Keep posting, Scotty!



RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

I'm sailing tomorrow and Monday....

Like starting tomorrow and coming back Monday.... or going out on Sunday
for a short sail and doing the same thing on Monday?

Man it must just suck to sail the same area day in and day out... surrounded
by buildings in a dirty harbour. Don't you get tired of it? I mean really.
No matter how much a person loves sailing..... doing the same thing in the
same location day after day must be nauseating after a while.

I'm heading to the Mahone Bay Classic Boat Festival next Thursday. We'll go
to Rogue's Roost and overnight then catch the morning breeze to East
Ironbound and on into Mahone Bay. It's a short trip... about 50 nautical
miles. We'll get some ocean time and pass by Peggy's Cove on the way. I've
done the trip dock to dock in 5 hours during a gale.... but I'm expecting to
take my time, do some fishing enroute and get there in about 8 hours.

CM

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..

"Maxprop" wrote in message
k.net...

"Reverend Crantz" wrote in message
. ..

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

Despite the higher pay, the number of people going into nursing is
dropping rapidly.

Do you have anything to back that up?

It's not a secret, RC. Rather common knowledge, actually, but I'm sure
some school figures could be located, if it really matters.

I seriously doubt that the number of people going into nursing are
dropping rapidly or dropping at all. I'd like to see the figures. Here's
some from NY:

http://www.op.nysed.gov/nursecounts.htm

From 2001 -2005: a 35% increase in RN license issued, a 41% increase in
LPN licenses issued and a 21% drop in nurse practitioners.

Overall, a net increase in the number of nursing licenses issued.

As I said, facts+logic wins every time.

It does only if you eliminate the statistics that defeat your argument,
specifically the attrition of burned-out nurses and those who leave to
raise a family or take other work. Factor in that and you'll have a
different picture. Fact: much is done to attract nurses to jobs (sign-on
bonuses, desirable shift choices, etc.) while almost nothing is done to
retain experienced nurses.

cAN'T REFUTE THAT POINT.

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Capt. JG wrote:
If you're in a designated anchorage, you're not *required* to have a light.
Are you disagreeing with this?

No.

If you're confident in your holding ability,

Thats not the point, holding is just a small part of the package, Tide,
wind, and traffic and on my boat machinery running. If you have more
than one person why not set a watch?

do you need to keep a watch? Yes



What about in a designated anchorage?

Same thing and more, what if a ship anchoring hits you, swings into
you, ect

What about in any other place? Sounds
like you're not in a designated anchorage offshore and you're not confident
of your holding.

Unless you are going to be able to rule the anchorage here you dont
want to even think of designated anchorages. They are full of ships
that would crunch you in a heart beat.

Anywhere in the gulf of mexico, no matter how confident I'm of the
anchor holding, or even tied to a rig, someone is going to be awake in
the wheelhouse on watch. We have fast storms, fast boats and ships,
currents, tides, shrimpers, siesmic, water spouts, and a hundred other
things you need to be on your toes to deal with. You wanna sleep
offshore go ahead...good riddence.

Around 0300 early one morn I missed a guy sleeping in a sailboat by
about 16 inches on a moonless night in the Gulf. I had 300+ tons moving
13 kts and because I have superior night vision and have been trained
how to stand watch on a pitch black night I picked him out just in time
to miss him. This asshole had a coleman type pump up gas lantern for an
anchor light and it had run out of pressure to burn. I'm not
****ting... I was dead on him at 200 ft and had to counter swing the
stern to keep it from hitting him. I came about fired up the
searchlights got on the PA and called him everything nasty I could
think of as he pumped up his cheap**** lantern. His boat was about 30
ft and I wipped a wicked 8ft 13 kt wake on his ass. I bet that dickhead
never slept offshore again without a watch.

You do as you please. Ignorance leads to a blissful happy deep sleep.

Joe




If true, then I agree, you need a watch at all times.

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.

I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.

Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the time, depending on
the
conditions.

all the time, awake IMO offshore. Unless you are solo, and thats a
choice you make and deal with...you just have to accept the added
danger. Solo I'd say you never sleep you nap.

Joe


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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
.

JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim

Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone on
watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs
to be awake
and on watch.


When you're single handing?

No, when you are single handling you better be sure you are anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor light. Single handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range alaRm set. Or you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that will arouse you at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30 kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is needed.

jOE

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

Scotty wrote:
Designated, as in, must be on the charts, right? Not just a
popular anchorage, like some people assume.

Scotty

Right. Here we have no pleasure boat designated anchorages, unless you
want to anchor with 10-20 600ft+ plus ships swinging and shifting and
coming and going all the time. We have the Bolivar designated anchorage
here near the galveston jetties, and a couple near the shipping lane
junctions about 10 miles out.

Joe




"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
If you're in a designated anchorage, you're not *required*
to have a light.
Are you disagreeing with this?

If you're confident in your holding ability, do you need
to keep a watch?
What about in a designated anchorage? What about in any
other place? Sounds
like you're not in a designated anchorage offshore and
you're not confident
of your holding. If true, then I agree, you need a watch
at all times.

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"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com..
.

Capt. JG wrote:
You don't need an anchor light in a designated
anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of
your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.

I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I
mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water
to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I
only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than
getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your
anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in
8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a
platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in
weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with
no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a
cozy cove it's
a totally different story.

Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the
time, depending on
the
conditions.

all the time, awake IMO offshore. Unless you are solo,
and thats a
choice you make and deal with...you just have to accept
the added
danger. Solo I'd say you never sleep you nap.

Joe


--
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"Joe" wrote in message

ups.com...

Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com..
.

JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that
includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim

Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need
someone on
watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone
needs
to be awake
and on watch.


When you're single handing?

No, when you are single handling you better be sure
you are anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor
light. Single handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range
alaRm set. Or you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will
allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that
will arouse you at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the
sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30
kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is
needed.

jOE

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
If you're in a designated anchorage, you're not *required* to have a
light.
Are you disagreeing with this?

No.

Good. :-)


If you're confident in your holding ability,

Thats not the point, holding is just a small part of the package, Tide,
wind, and traffic and on my boat machinery running. If you have more
than one person why not set a watch?

Actually, that is the point. If you're confident with your situation, tide,
etc., then there's no reason to keep a watch.

do you need to keep a watch? Yes



What about in a designated anchorage?

Same thing and more, what if a ship anchoring hits you, swings into
you, ect

Well, there's always what if... but there is the issue of practicality. The
BVIs are a good example. If I'm moored, I'm not going to set a watch. If I'm
anchored in a good spot, I'm not going to set a watch. If I'm not in a good
spot, which has happened, then I for sure set a watch.

What about in any other place? Sounds
like you're not in a designated anchorage offshore and you're not
confident
of your holding.

Unless you are going to be able to rule the anchorage here you dont
want to even think of designated anchorages. They are full of ships
that would crunch you in a heart beat.

No, but I can be reasonably confident to the point of knowing that the
chances of something happening are quite low.

Anywhere in the gulf of mexico, no matter how confident I'm of the
anchor holding, or even tied to a rig, someone is going to be awake in
the wheelhouse on watch. We have fast storms, fast boats and ships,
currents, tides, shrimpers, siesmic, water spouts, and a hundred other
things you need to be on your toes to deal with. You wanna sleep
offshore go ahead...good riddence.

Don't sail there, so I can't comment. Out here, there are good places and
bad places and stupid places.

Around 0300 early one morn I missed a guy sleeping in a sailboat by
about 16 inches on a moonless night in the Gulf. I had 300+ tons moving
13 kts and because I have superior night vision and have been trained
how to stand watch on a pitch black night I picked him out just in time
to miss him. This asshole had a coleman type pump up gas lantern for an
anchor light and it had run out of pressure to burn. I'm not
****ting... I was dead on him at 200 ft and had to counter swing the
stern to keep it from hitting him. I came about fired up the
searchlights got on the PA and called him everything nasty I could
think of as he pumped up his cheap**** lantern. His boat was about 30
ft and I wipped a wicked 8ft 13 kt wake on his ass. I bet that dickhead
never slept offshore again without a watch.

Sounds about right. :-)

You do as you please. Ignorance leads to a blissful happy deep sleep.

Fortunately, I'm not ignorant. :-)

Joe




If true, then I agree, you need a watch at all times.

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although
it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring
and
conditions are mellow.

I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.

Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the time, depending on
the
conditions.

all the time, awake IMO offshore. Unless you are solo, and thats a
choice you make and deal with...you just have to accept the added
danger. Solo I'd say you never sleep you nap.

Joe


--
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www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
.

JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim

Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone on
watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs
to be awake
and on watch.


When you're single handing?

No, when you are single handling you better be sure you are
anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor light. Single
handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range alaRm set. Or
you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that will arouse you
at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30 kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is needed.

jOE

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Umm... well, the first person in the anchorage typically decides the number
of anchors. Of course, there are exceptions.

Sounds like some good reasons for two.

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"JimC" wrote in message
...


Capt. JG wrote:

If the holding is good and you're only going to be there a short time,
and it's during the day, you don't need an anchor light, and you don't
need to keep a watch. Why two anchors? Is the bottom that lousy or the
wind/current shifting that much? How did you deploy?


I may want to spend the night on occasion. The reasons for two anchors are
as follows:

A. There may be traffic in and out, and I want to restrict the "swing" so
I stay in a relatively small area. I may have to change to one anchor if
other boats are on a single anchor and I have to swing with the crowd, but
I don't think that will be the case.

B. Just north of the island is the Houston-Galveston ship channel, with
lots of traffic of all kinds. Two anchors, even if both are on the bow,
provide a little better security and backup, particularly if there is a
change in tide direction that might lead to dragging one of the anchors.
In particular, I would hate to wake up in the middle of the night and find
that, due to a change in tidal currents, a single anchor (originally set
hard with 7:1 scope) was dragging and I was floating across the Houston
ship channel.

Jim

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Isn't that related to size of vessel? I can't remember and it's late here.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Technically you should show an anchor ball, right?

SV

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
If the holding is good and you're only going to be there a
short time, and
it's during the day, you don't need an anchor light, and
you don't need to
keep a watch. Why two anchors? Is the bottom that lousy or
the wind/current
shifting that much? How did you deploy?

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"JimC" wrote in message
. com...
I wasn't thinking of using it at sea. What I had in mind
was anchoring
behind Red Fish Island, with two anchors, and taking a
nap. I have one on
my Garmin chartplotter, but I think I need a backup.

Jim


Joe wrote:
JimC wrote:

What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that
includes an anchor alarm?

Jim


Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone
on watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone
needs to be awake
and on watch.

Joe







Joe wrote:


BB wrote:



Most new doctors get their REAL training amd
mentoring from Registered
Nurses. If your wife is an RN and works in a hospital
setting, I'm
sure she can verify that for you. Rob is correct that
many MD's are
not as capable in emergency situations as many
nurses.


So that would be like "Capt Rob" learning from a real
cabin boy..right?


That doesn't


make them incompetent as Doctors. They just have
different strengths
or areas of expertise. Some plumbers may also have
carpentry skills,
and some anesthesiologists may have skills in
orthopedics. Critical
care and emergency room nurses tend to be
generalists, and are used to
making very quick and correct decisions on life and
death matters
under pressure.


Indeed they do...not a job I'd wan't to deal with.
Pays pretty good.
High burnout average and turnover. I bet it's high
stress if you have
passion towards the people you are treating. Top that
off with the
million plus people killed in Hospitals from medical
mistakes a career
wrought with stress.

IMO Rob should publish that best seller, or direct a
block buster and
provide Suzy with a less stressfull life.

Joe




BB