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Capt. JG wrote:
You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.

I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.

Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the time, depending on the
conditions.

all the time, awake IMO offshore. Unless you are solo, and thats a
choice you make and deal with...you just have to accept the added
danger. Solo I'd say you never sleep you nap.

Joe


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"Joe" wrote in message
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Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
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JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim

Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone on
watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs
to be awake
and on watch.


When you're single handing?

No, when you are single handling you better be sure you are anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor light. Single handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range alaRm set. Or you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that will arouse you at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30 kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is needed.

jOE

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I've never had great success with GPS alarms. If it's rough enough for me to
be concerned, we do an anchor watch, sometimes a continuous one.

Recently we anchored on the lee of Angel Isl. for the night. The bottom is
exceptional there for holding, and the wind tends to mellow at night.
Beautiful evening, slept greatly. I happened to wake up about 4:30 just
before dawn. Came up on deck, everything was perfect, just where we left it,
the bay was like glass and the sky dark but getting lighter. A tanker was
slowly making it's way down the channel toward Richmond, causing gentle
swells as she passed. Since this isn't a designated anchorage, we had the
light on of course.

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:50:40 -0700, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:

You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow. Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the time, depending on the
conditions.

Nope, you need an anchor watch on GPS and sounder.
If it's bumpy, you'll wake often enough to keep safe.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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If the holding is good and you're only going to be there a short time, and
it's during the day, you don't need an anchor light, and you don't need to
keep a watch. Why two anchors? Is the bottom that lousy or the wind/current
shifting that much? How did you deploy?

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"JimC" wrote in message
. com...
I wasn't thinking of using it at sea. What I had in mind was anchoring
behind Red Fish Island, with two anchors, and taking a nap. I have one on
my Garmin chartplotter, but I think I need a backup.

Jim


Joe wrote:
JimC wrote:

What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes an anchor alarm?

Jim


Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone on watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs to be awake
and on watch.

Joe







Joe wrote:


BB wrote:



Most new doctors get their REAL training amd mentoring from Registered
Nurses. If your wife is an RN and works in a hospital setting, I'm
sure she can verify that for you. Rob is correct that many MD's are
not as capable in emergency situations as many nurses.


So that would be like "Capt Rob" learning from a real cabin boy..right?


That doesn't


make them incompetent as Doctors. They just have different strengths
or areas of expertise. Some plumbers may also have carpentry skills,
and some anesthesiologists may have skills in orthopedics. Critical
care and emergency room nurses tend to be generalists, and are used to
making very quick and correct decisions on life and death matters
under pressure.


Indeed they do...not a job I'd wan't to deal with. Pays pretty good.
High burnout average and turnover. I bet it's high stress if you have
passion towards the people you are treating. Top that off with the
million plus people killed in Hospitals from medical mistakes a career
wrought with stress.

IMO Rob should publish that best seller, or direct a block buster and
provide Suzy with a less stressfull life.

Joe




BB

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500 yards? We anchor within 50 feet of shore on the swing, sometimes much
closer.. at 500 yrds, you could put out the entire 200 feet, which would
pretty much ensure good holding except under the most extreme conditions,
which I doubt would come up.

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 29 Jul 2006 06:20:56 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:


That unit and other Chartplotter/GPS combos can also used to make sure
you are
not dragging in another way that is often more useful than the anchor
alarm,
visual checking and RADAR combined.


I've also got a way-to-heavy CQR with 20 feet of chain and 200
line....I sleep really well at anchor. Sometimes it's within 500 yards
of shore, which too close for Scotty Potty even when he's heading home.
Oh....I forgot....Scotty doesn't sail anymore!


RB
35s5
NY

At present, Scott's entire boat is effectively a firmly set anchor. Lets
hope it
doesn't fall over!

Meanwhile, even your oversized setup "could" drag, and there is an easy
and
accurate way to monitor that. For an anchor alarm to sound, you must drag
pretty
far, as the setting has to account for a swinging circle all the way
around the
anchor. On 100 feet of scope, you need to set the drag alarm for over 200
feet.

In addition to that, you can simply observe the breadcrumb route track
that the
GPS can generate. As you swing back and forth at anchor, it will keep
retracing
a fairly tight arc which, because it is not exact, will create a thick
black
"smile". As long as the smile doesn't start getting really elongated
relative to
the pivot point you are not dragging. Simple enough.

CWM

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You need at least three. :-)

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Krusty" wrote in message
...
NY

At present, Scott's entire boat is effectively a firmly
set anchor. Lets hope it
doesn't fall over!


You think I need more stands?

SV

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

Scotty wrote:
Why two anchors?

At redfish there is not a whole lotta room to swing in the protected
area. It's sorta cresant shaped , we drop the fisherman off the stern
about 200 ft off the beach then drop the danforth and I usually carry
it to land and dig it in, then we center up.

Joe


"JimC" wrote in message
. com...
I wasn't thinking of using it at sea. What I had in mind
was anchoring
behind Red Fish Island, with two anchors, and taking a
nap. I have one
on my Garmin chartplotter, but I think I need a backup.

Jim


Joe wrote:
JimC wrote:

What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim


Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone
on watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs
to be awake
and on watch.

Joe







Joe wrote:


BB wrote:



Most new doctors get their REAL training amd mentoring
from Registered
Nurses. If your wife is an RN and works in a hospital
setting, I'm
sure she can verify that for you. Rob is correct that
many MD's are
not as capable in emergency situations as many nurses.


So that would be like "Capt Rob" learning from a real
cabin boy..right?


That doesn't


make them incompetent as Doctors. They just have
different strengths
or areas of expertise. Some plumbers may also have
carpentry skills,
and some anesthesiologists may have skills in
orthopedics. Critical
care and emergency room nurses tend to be generalists,
and are used to
making very quick and correct decisions on life and
death matters
under pressure.


Indeed they do...not a job I'd wan't to deal with. Pays
pretty good.
High burnout average and turnover. I bet it's high
stress if you have
passion towards the people you are treating. Top that
off with the
million plus people killed in Hospitals from medical
mistakes a career
wrought with stress.

IMO Rob should publish that best seller, or direct a
block buster and
provide Suzy with a less stressfull life.

Joe




BB

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

If you're in a designated anchorage, you're not *required* to have a light.
Are you disagreeing with this?

If you're confident in your holding ability, do you need to keep a watch?
What about in a designated anchorage? What about in any other place? Sounds
like you're not in a designated anchorage offshore and you're not confident
of your holding. If true, then I agree, you need a watch at all times.

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.

I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.

Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the time, depending on
the
conditions.

all the time, awake IMO offshore. Unless you are solo, and thats a
choice you make and deal with...you just have to accept the added
danger. Solo I'd say you never sleep you nap.

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
.

JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim

Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone on
watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs
to be awake
and on watch.


When you're single handing?

No, when you are single handling you better be sure you are anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor light. Single handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range alaRm set. Or you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that will arouse you at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30 kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is needed.

jOE

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

Capt. JG wrote:

If the holding is good and you're only going to be there a short time, and
it's during the day, you don't need an anchor light, and you don't need to
keep a watch. Why two anchors? Is the bottom that lousy or the wind/current
shifting that much? How did you deploy?


I may want to spend the night on occasion. The reasons for two anchors
are as follows:

A. There may be traffic in and out, and I want to restrict the "swing"
so I stay in a relatively small area. I may have to change to one
anchor if other boats are on a single anchor and I have to swing with
the crowd, but I don't think that will be the case.

B. Just north of the island is the Houston-Galveston ship channel, with
lots of traffic of all kinds. Two anchors, even if both are on the bow,
provide a little better security and backup, particularly if there is a
change in tide direction that might lead to dragging one of the anchors.
In particular, I would hate to wake up in the middle of the night and
find that, due to a change in tidal currents, a single anchor
(originally set hard with 7:1 scope) was dragging and I was floating
across the Houston ship channel.

Jim

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Technically you should show an anchor ball, right?

SV

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
If the holding is good and you're only going to be there a
short time, and
it's during the day, you don't need an anchor light, and
you don't need to
keep a watch. Why two anchors? Is the bottom that lousy or
the wind/current
shifting that much? How did you deploy?

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www.sailnow.com

"JimC" wrote in message
. com...
I wasn't thinking of using it at sea. What I had in mind
was anchoring
behind Red Fish Island, with two anchors, and taking a
nap. I have one on
my Garmin chartplotter, but I think I need a backup.

Jim


Joe wrote:
JimC wrote:

What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that
includes an anchor alarm?

Jim


Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone
on watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone
needs to be awake
and on watch.

Joe







Joe wrote:


BB wrote:



Most new doctors get their REAL training amd
mentoring from Registered
Nurses. If your wife is an RN and works in a hospital
setting, I'm
sure she can verify that for you. Rob is correct that
many MD's are
not as capable in emergency situations as many
nurses.


So that would be like "Capt Rob" learning from a real
cabin boy..right?


That doesn't


make them incompetent as Doctors. They just have
different strengths
or areas of expertise. Some plumbers may also have
carpentry skills,
and some anesthesiologists may have skills in
orthopedics. Critical
care and emergency room nurses tend to be
generalists, and are used to
making very quick and correct decisions on life and
death matters
under pressure.


Indeed they do...not a job I'd wan't to deal with.
Pays pretty good.
High burnout average and turnover. I bet it's high
stress if you have
passion towards the people you are treating. Top that
off with the
million plus people killed in Hospitals from medical
mistakes a career
wrought with stress.

IMO Rob should publish that best seller, or direct a
block buster and
provide Suzy with a less stressfull life.

Joe




BB

Basic Safety Gear-You can't do better!
 

Okay, I'll buy one more.

SV

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You need at least three. :-)

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Krusty" wrote in message
...
NY

At present, Scott's entire boat is effectively a firmly
set anchor. Lets hope it
doesn't fall over!


You think I need more stands?

SV