Sail Report-35s5 meets it's match!
 

While you all posted we TRIED to sail....

Well....the header sounds exciting, but we had a very dull sail. Late
in the morning I sewed some threads through my baton pockets.
Previously one had been thrown, so I wanted to nip that. My new main
won't be ready until Mid September. Working on the main, the sun was
nasty, but I could see a fair amount of boats out enjoying some wind.
Back at home I checked the weather. Everything said 10 knots or so
online and on the radio and as we recrossed the bridge there were still
a lot of boats out.
30 minutes later we were sitting in a steaming pond with absolutely no
wind. Everyone's sails were hanging limp. Dead. Calm. Yuk.
"Don't worry" I told everyone, "We'll get something as the sun sets."
Well, we usually do, but not this time. I mean nothing, zilch, nada.
Back at our slip we set up our new dinghy, "Thom's Turtle" and 8 HP
Yamaha, played with that for a while. We'll use it next weekend when we
go to Oyster Bay to meet two other boats.
So, the great 35s5 cannot sail without wind. You heard it here first.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Swab Rob" wrote ...
While you all posted we TRIED to sail....

keep trying, maybe one day you'll figure it out.

SBV

Sail Report-35s5 meets it's match!
 

Capt. Rob wrote:

Late
in the morning I sewed some threads through my baton pockets.

You must be one of those wild, animated conductors. Do you break many during
a performance?


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Capt Scumbalino

Sail Report-35s5 meets it's match!
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
While you all posted we TRIED to sail....



.. Late
in the morning I sewed some threads through my baton pockets.
Previously one had been thrown, so I wanted to nip that.

Thats nothing, here three are thrown at once!
http://www.juggle.org/archives/jw/im...-3/39-3,p6.jpg

Joe


RB
35s5
NY

Sail Report-35s5 meets it's match!
 

I'm disappointed Bob. Just a few days ago you were chastising
everyone for not getting out there in light air and drizzle and
practicing.

Back when I was learning the fine points of light air racing, if a
regatta was postponed because of no air, we would go out and practice
kinetic racing. The first skill to be mastered is sculling the
rudder. Every dinghy sailor knows how to do this vigorously, but a
gentle motion will also propel the boat, and is not as noticeable.
Then one learns the fast jibe, which done properly will shoot a boat
forward a boatlength or more. And finally, one has to master the roll
tack for going upwind. This is the most advanced basic skill, done
done properly by a co-ordinated crew, can get a small boat up to a few
knots. Combining all of these, we would attempt to "continue" the
regatta, much to the horror of the race committee. (Frankly this was
a good education for them, because many had learned to sail in the
'30s before such techniques were well understood.)

But, you say, isn't this just for small boats? Not really, I've used
all of them on keel boats, including propelling my Nonsuch downwind by
repeated jibing. I'm sure that you could have approached hull speed
by roll tacking your Benny.

Capt. Rob wrote:
While you all posted we TRIED to sail....

Well....the header sounds exciting, but we had a very dull sail. Late
in the morning I sewed some threads through my baton pockets.
Previously one had been thrown, so I wanted to nip that. My new main
won't be ready until Mid September. Working on the main, the sun was
nasty, but I could see a fair amount of boats out enjoying some wind.
Back at home I checked the weather. Everything said 10 knots or so
online and on the radio and as we recrossed the bridge there were still
a lot of boats out.
30 minutes later we were sitting in a steaming pond with absolutely no
wind. Everyone's sails were hanging limp. Dead. Calm. Yuk.
"Don't worry" I told everyone, "We'll get something as the sun sets."
Well, we usually do, but not this time. I mean nothing, zilch, nada.
Back at our slip we set up our new dinghy, "Thom's Turtle" and 8 HP
Yamaha, played with that for a while. We'll use it next weekend when we
go to Oyster Bay to meet two other boats.
So, the great 35s5 cannot sail without wind. You heard it here first.


RB
35s5
NY

Sail Report-35s5 meets it's match!
 

I'm sure that you could have approached hull speed
by roll tacking your Benny.


Ya know...funny you should say that...we used to pull those moves on a
J24 that had no outboard. I never really thought of it with a bigger
boat. My engines have generally worked if we couldn't sail.

RB
35s5
NY

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Cabin boy. Rob wrote:
My engines have generally worked if we couldn't sail.

So you are admitting you have an under powered motor sailor?
That you motor when no wind is around...Tisk...tisk.....tisk..

Buy a trawler!

Capt. Joe



RB
35s5
NY

Sail Report-35s5 meets it's match!
 

So you are admitting you have an under powered motor sailor?
That you motor when no wind is around...Tisk...tisk.....tisk..


Yup...we motored yesterday for 20 minutes or so. That may be as muich
as an hour of motoring all season so far.
I don't think you really know the difference between a sailboat and a
motorsailor, Joe.



RB
35s5
NY

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"Swab Rob" wrote

My engines have generally worked so we don't sail.

RB
35s5
NY


Oiy!

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Charlie Morgan wrote:
Jeff,

He's not reporting light wind, he's reporting NO wind. How successfull were you
at propelling your Nonesuch in no wind by roll tacking when single handing?
The techniques I described work best when there's no wind. After all,
you can go infinitely faster!

And I never said I rolled tacked the Nonsuch. But we were able to
move it by jibing vigorously.


What is the minimum wind you need to move your PDQ at a reasonalble speed? Does
roll tacking help?

The PDQ is not a speed demon in light air. I'm sure RB's boat could
beat me in 6 knots. However, not by much. The Polar says at 6 knots
of true wind, she'll do 4.6 at 51 degrees (for a VMG of 2.9) and 6.3
knots with the chute up at 90 degrees. Over 10 knots a PDQ 36 setup
for racing (i.e. not mine) would walk away from from a 35s5, even upwind.

And she doesn't seem to respond well to my roll tacking efforts. I
guess I've lost a few pounds.