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--
"Swab Rob" wrote

In addition, if I'm heading home on a port tack, about to
come around
an obstacle,

like a charted rock ?



I'm sitting there, like a truck driver, holding the big
wheel, little
Thomas at my side. I'd like to just hold my course, HIT
the obstacle
and keep on sailing.

Oiy!

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"Jeff" wrote

You wanted the perfect light air, flat water day
sailor with a 7 foot bunk that you'll take on two
overnights a year,


A Mac 26 X would be perfect for that!

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--
"Swab Rob" wrote

I wouldn't marry an ugly woman


That sums up the ****head rather nicely, eh?


--
Scotty.....''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot,
with any degree of
credibility, comment on the courage of fellow sailors''

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Jeff wrote:
No, I'm chastising you for using your ignorance as a platform for
criticizing other boats.


But it's the only basis he has to work from.


You choose to
foot off for better speed, while some will hand off speed to pinch. You
talk like footing off is the only way to sail.


No, Jeff talks about choosing which of the two is better for
a given situation; and knowing the difference between the
components of VMG and VMG.


Being able to gain VMG while footing off is a blessing only some boats
enjoy.

No, there's a range in which any boat will gain VMG by
bearing away: any time the bow is pointed above optimum VMG
for the conditions. There's the key, knowing how the given
boat responds to conditions.


Just like Doug thinks
his trawler is the only way to sail.

When did I say that? Quote please!


Right. Just like you define upwind performance by how high a boat can
point rather than how well it actually goes upwind.

Well, that's an improvement. Bubles used to define "upwind
performance" by what it said in the advertising brochure.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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and knowing the difference between the
components of VMG and VMG.


Well said, Doug. You sure know what you're talking about.
My boat outpoints Jeffs. Period. And it's better in the light suff of
the LIS. Perior. And it's more fun to sail. Period.
And Jeff actually agrees with all of this. So without being critical of
how I sail, what exactly is your point???
Uh oh!


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt" Rob wrote:
Well said, Doug. You sure know what you're talking about.

Of course.

My boat outpoints Jeffs. Period.

But when does it make better VMG?

And Jeff actually agrees with all of this.

Really?

.... So without being critical of
how I sail

Oh, I don't criticise *how* you sail, just doubtful that you
actually know diddley-squat about boats or sailing.

... what exactly is your point???

That you're nuts, Bubbles.

DSK

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But when does it make better VMG?


In light air. We already established this. Jeff then claimed he could
foot off and get there faster, but that is not what we're talking
about. My VMG at 35% in 16 knots his better than his. Period.


Oh, I don't criticise *how* you sail, just doubtful that you
actually know diddley-squat about boats or sailing.

Well...I think you're actually lying, but okay.


That you're nuts, Bubbles.

This is news?


RB
35s5
NY

Jeff won on all counts!
 

Its not even worth addressing your stupidity point by point.

But a few things:
I only mentioned my friend who doesn't like Bennys to mock the
stupidity of saying "I have a friend who doesn't like cats." That has
to rank as one of the lamest thing ever posted here, by anyone other
than jaxie.

You're trying to claim that I changed this from a "sailing discussion"
to an attack on boating styles, but the record is very clear that I
was merely criticizing your use of pointing ability rather than VMG to
measure upwind performance. When you realized your blunder, you
started in with the personal attacks. You lost it on technical
grounds, then you lost it on personal grounds.

You can rant and rave about how your boat "looks better to you" but I
think its one ugly sailboat, compared to most other monohulls. And
most catamaran lovers think the PDQ 36 is one of the prettiest cats
ever built. And you can rant and rave about your boat being fast, but
mine is faster on all points of sail, including upwind, in over 10
knots. So if you can find some comfort that your boat is faster in a
a drifter, be my guest. And if you think you're beating another boat
just because you can pinch to 30 true, you're entitled to your delusions.

As for my small fleet that we carry with us, you're just making it
abundantly clear to everyone that you know nothing of cruising. But
in a few days we'll be anchored in a beautiful cove and a couple of
kids will be having a blast on our small boats.

Capt. Rob wrote:
Jeff, few people here are as dumb as you....perhaps Scotty has tripped
up more. So here we go!



No you don't. I made money on the water, for longer than you've been
sailing. You sell a few tired boats and scrap gear.

Make stuff up till you turn blue. I do in fact make money on the water.
You don't, at least not any more.

most serious sailors, he has no interest in Cats.
So? I have a friend who has no interest in Beneteaus.

Notice how Jeff is carefull to say Beneteau and not monohuls as his
buddies here sail real boats. I'm not condemming PDQ, just Cats in
general for being boring.


That's why they're the fastest growing segment of the boating industry.

Yep, PDQ, Mac26x and FAST FOOD are all popular. The PDQ sails flat and
with little fuss. The sails can be handled by older, weaker arms. And
you don't have to do much work to sail it. Sadly, that's what many
Americans want these days.


Jeff, you were the kid who watched others play and thought they were
"doing it wrong." I know your type quite well. If you were at peace
with your boat, you'd be able to accept how happy with are with her.
But the fact is that my boat upsets you.

Jeff ignores the above. It draws attention to the fact that he's trying
to make this debate about how I use my boat. But I'm not letting him.
This is about the BOAT and Jeff's cat is a dull one. Nothing will
change that.

Yes, I'm sure it is. However, when I want fast and fun I'd rather
take a 470.

With 6 people on a 5 hour dinner sail? The point is that many of the
monohulls here can give "fast and fun" and still lay back for some nice
BBQ on the back rail. Your PDQ can only BBQ. AND YOU JUST ADMITTED IT
BY SAYING FOR FAST AND FUN YOU LOOK TO ANOTHER BOAT. JEFF, YOU JUST
LOST.


Must I? You must know I keep a sailing dinghy hanging in davits and a
kayak on the rail.

Jeff, you're one dopey guy. Now your telling is that you CARRY a fast
and fun boat on the back of your Cat!!! So we can now see how dull a
ride the cat really is. You've made my case. JEFF, YOU JUST LOST.



that's true. Yup, that what I wanted, the perfect cruising boat. And
that's what we got.


Yeah, but perfect for you meant you need to carry a second boat for
fun. Others here seem to have found ONE boat for that!


You wanted the perfect light air, flat water day
sailor with a 7 foot bunk


Does Jeff really think a 35s5 can't handle real weather or is he just
attacking ME again?


I didn't know you were so religious.


It isn't about religion. It's about lines and character. Your boat is
about as nautically appealing as a food processor. And after owning a
Nonsuch, I think you're well aware of that fact.


Our cat has taken us from the Great Lakes to Maine to the Florida Keys
and back, in comfort and safety. Now we're only doing about 7-8 weeks
a summer on board, but in a few years we'll head out again. You're
right, that doesn't sound like fun.


Golly!!! We're all impressed with your voyages! But we're talking
BOATS, Jeff.


What's going on here is that you can't stand the fact that someone
else in the group has a bigger, faster, prettier, more comfortable,
and just plain better boat than you.


There is a C&C 36XL at my club. It's faster and prettier and more
comfortable. Your boat is as far from mine as Doug's trawler. Because
we enjoy sailing there is just no way a cat would be considered so long
as we have our health.


And it actually gets used to go
cruising, something that seems to scare the crap out of of you.


Boo!


Frankly, I think that Scotty, DSK, and all the others have more fun on
their boats than you can ever understand, and it shows in the raw
jealousy that drips out of everyone of your posts.

Frankly, you don't know them or me! I actually assume that we ALL have
fun on our boats. But you've proven me wrong by letting us all know
that for fast and fun you CARRY a SECOND boat.

You can only dream about cruising, everyone else here actually does it.

Uh, Jeff. I don't dream of cruising. I like daysailing and short
cruises with friends and family best. It does seem that YOU are
dreaming of me dreaming of cruising. And that's disturbing!


Wherever the
wind takes us.

Don't forget the fast and fun dinghy!


RB
35s5
NY

Jeff won on all counts!
 

only mentioned my friend who doesn't like Bennys to mock the
stupidity of saying "I have a friend who doesn't like cats."


You invented a friend. Not even a bad surveyor would make a sweeping
comment about Beneteau when they build such a range of boats at all
levels over so many years. Anyone could see that lie a mile away.

You're trying to claim that I changed this from a "sailing
discussion"
to an attack on boating styles, but the record is very clear

Sorry, Jeff, but some people CAN READ. After we discussed sculling and
moving a boat with no air, you wrote this:

So you are admitting you have an under powered motor sailor?
That you motor when no wind is around...Tisk...tisk.....tisk..

It was out of the blue and the trolling began in earnest. Busted AGAIN,
Jeff. Clearly you're very threatened.


When you realized your blunder, you
started in with the personal attacks. You lost it on technical
grounds, then you lost it on personal grounds.

The 1st personal attack on my sailing is above and I made no blunder as
I merely typed what is on the polars. VMG and knots are listed
seperately, Jeff....of do you really even have the polars for your
boat?


You can rant and rave about how your boat "looks better to you"


Bwahahahahha! Now this one is pretty funny. The number one thing people
don't like about cats is how they look; comes up in any discussion
about them!

most catamaran lovers think the PDQ 36 is one of the prettiest
cats


Hey, and amongst the Mole People, Danny Devito is a real hunk!


but mine is faster on all points of sail, including upwind, in over
10
knots.

But on the LIS under 10 knots is common, so your boat is a dog here.
It's also ugly, fat, requires TWO engines, has no AC and is a total
dull ride by your own admission. I don't care if you sail it beneath
the planet of the apes, it's still a borrrriiing boat.


As for my small fleet that we carry with us, you're just making it
abundantly clear to everyone that you know nothing of cruising.

There are quite a few cruising boats at City Island. Most don't need to
lug second sailboat to fill in for their dull cruisers.

Can someone order a second pooch for Joe to screw??? BWAHAHAHAHHAHA!


RB
35s5
NY

Jeff flies off the handle in under 10 knots!
 

You can rant and rave



Oh the humanity!



RB
35s5
NY