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"Ringmaster" wrote in message
oups.com...
Did you get a Colt or a Bushmaster? I bought a shortie cabine from
Bushmaster because of the chrome lined
barrel. What length barrel? Do you have a flash supressor? what
stock? what top?

I bought a Bushmaster 16" carbine "Patrolman" model with the A3 top,
collapsible stock. Yes it has a flash supressor. I didn't like the
idea of a pinned and welded supressor on the 14" "shorty" model. I'm
looking at optics at the moment. I liked Bushmaster for the chrome
lined barrel, ability to shoot 5.56 and it's known quality
construction. I didn't like the fact Colt uses non standard pins which
would make swapping stuff impossible. I got a hellava deal from a
kitchen table FFL dealer in Virginia. $860. MSRP was $1230.

I paid only $140 some years back for a new-in-the-box, Russian-made 7.62x39
SSK. It's got a pivoting bayonet, and I bought five 30-round magazines for
it, plus a case of Wolf (Russian) ammo--Berdan-primed, so picking up brass
is a non-issue.

As a defense piece, it blows your AR-15 away in all respects, excepting
compactness. However I can obtain an aftermarket collapsible stock for it,
if I really felt it were a necessity, which I don't.

Max

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DSK wrote:
Being sane is a handicap in a crazy country.


Scotty wrote:
In the SHTF situation that Loco is talking about, I'd worry
about staying alive first and lawsuits much later.


Understood. But there is no disaster so bad that the lawyers will be
permanently gone.

If you save your home from looters during a disaster, and lose it to a
lawsuit soon after, what good did you do?

Besides, if you have a big dog, he'll not only defend your home but can
help you hide the bodies. "Why no officer, I never saw any looters at
all in this neighborhood."

DSK

You'll have to get a way different dog.....

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"katy" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:
katy wrote:
heh...Vito and me on the same boat...would be a matter of who would kill
who first....

Well, Vito probably wouldn't be very good no matter how much BBQ sauce
you put on him....

DSK

Too many chemicals....bet he'd make good bait, though.

Fishing for what? Croakers?

Max

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Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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Ringmaster wrote:
Anybody who does not own a weapon after seeing what happened in New
Orleans when cops are not available is a fool. I purchased an AR15 for
my "when the **** hits the fan" weapon. I also bought enough magazines
and ammo to hold off the criminal element for days until law
enforcement gets back on line. They will move on to easier pickins
after only a minute of trying to get into my house.

So...just what East Coast disaster are you waiting for? The mammoth
tsunami?

You must have seen "CSI: Miami" last night.

Max


No...National Geographic station has been playing this life scenario
thing of one day disasters that would do us in....that was the
fiorst one...then they went on to super tornadoes, particle
reactors, etc.

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In article , DSK
wrote:

Why wait at all Peter?
Chuck a grenade in the water and scoop them up immediately :-)


Peter Wiley wrote:
BTDT with gelignite. Wrecks the environment and kills a lot of by-catch
you aren't interested in. Works wonders on nosy crocs, tho.


I bet so, especially if you can get them to swallow it first.

At one point in my life I spent a great deal of time
splashing around in the swamps of northern Florida, and
toted a .357 revolver (a Ruger Security Six to be specific).
I kept it loaded with 3 rounds of snake shot and 3 rounds of
varying hard shot.

Yeah, used to carry a Security Six with 4" bbl when I worked in the
Northern Territory. My Ruger 44Mag semiauto carbine was a lot more use.
Main use for the revolver was shooting at salvaged fishing floats from
the back deck. Or beer cans.

Come to think of it, the 44Mag carbine would make a *great* home
defence gun. A hit from a 240gr JHP is gonna really ruin your day.

Alligators were very common and as long as I wasn't in the
water with them, never minded them much. But one afternoon I
felt it desirable to shoot a larger specimen, about 7' or
so. He was close enough to poke with the canoe paddle, if
I'd been minded to. Rotated the chamber to a solid shot
(Winchester Silvertip IIRC), stood up, and plugged Mr Gator
right between the eyes.

He kicked around a bit in agitation, then swam away.

Very tough critters. I hear the crocs are even tougher.

Dunno about tougher, but they get a *lot* bigger, and their girth
increases disproportionately with increase in length. A 4' long croc is
quite slim, a 10' one is bulking up and a 14' one is - substantial. We
were barramundi fishing in the Wessels Is group off of Arnhem Land,
wading up a creek, some 20 plus years ago. This was pretty stupid but
we were a fair way out in the island chain, figured we'd be ok. Spotted
a croc, 4 people did a standing leap from waist deep water into the
dinghy in an eyeblink. Being young & stupid was a wonderful thing, for
those of us who survived it.

It wasn't even a big croc, but we weren't waiting for mommy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sal****er_Crocodile

PDW

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Do everyone a favour. DO NOT own a gun until you learn something
(more)
about them.

Another expert? Read on boy.

1. Using a rifle inside a house is plain stupid. A short barrelled

shotgun is far more useful.

I already said that's a problem with the law


2. Using heavy FMJ bullets is also stupid. Use hollowpoints or
soft
nose rounds. The object is to transfer the kinetic energy into the
target, not the wall, next house, etc etc.

When did I ever say I would be using FMJ for home protection? So
aparently you are stupid since you can't read or your mind make things
up.


3. There is NO DIFFERENCE between 5.56 NATO and .223 except the
labels
on the boxes. Go look up the SAAMI ammo spec if you don't believe me.


And here is where you prove that you don't know **** about what you
speak. You should read the SAAMI specs. Rifles that are chambered for
223 only can possibly go kaboom and mess up your face if an attempt is
made to fire 5.56. Yes the two rounds have basicly the same exterior
dimensions BUT the 5.56 is usually loaded to produce higher velocity
and chamber pressures. The difference comes in the chambering of the
rifle and that difference is in "leade". It may LOOK the same but a
5.56 round has a slightly longer lead than a 223. SAMMI considers the
use of 5.56 ammo in a rifle that is chambered for 223 only as AN UNSAFE
AMMUNITION COMBINATION. There are also a couple of additional minor
measurement differences. You do a web search and check it out. Now
you check out the SAAMI website and get an education.

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Read if you don't want your rifle to go KABOOM.

http://www.winchester.com/lawenforce...spx?storyid=11

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"katy" wrote:
Ringmaster wrote:
So...just what East Coast disaster are you waiting for?
The mammoth
tsunami?

Earthquake, riots, massive power outs, zombies.

Got news for you...the zombies are already here..I saw a
group of them at Food Lion this afternoon....

Try the Piggly Wiggly.

Seahag

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You must have seen "CSI: Miami" last night..

Awsome show in HD.

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In article .com,
Ringmaster wrote:

Do everyone a favour. DO NOT own a gun until you learn something
(more)
about them.

Another expert? Read on boy.

Hey, I've only been an active hunter, reloader and target shooter for
30+ years so far. I'm far from an expert. OTOH you admit you're a
newbie.

1. Using a rifle inside a house is plain stupid. A short barrelled

shotgun is far more useful.

I already said that's a problem with the law

Riiiight. So a rifle with a 16.01" bbl length is less unwieldy than a
pistol gripped shotgun with a 18.01" bbl length. Suuure. If you think
so.



2. Using heavy FMJ bullets is also stupid. Use hollowpoints or
soft
nose rounds. The object is to transfer the kinetic energy into the
target, not the wall, next house, etc etc.

When did I ever say I would be using FMJ for home protection? So
aparently you are stupid since you can't read or your mind make things
up.

Good, you've learnt something without having to ask. Your neighbours
may live to be pleased, even if you aren't.



3. There is NO DIFFERENCE between 5.56 NATO and .223 except the
labels
on the boxes. Go look up the SAAMI ammo spec if you don't believe me.


And here is where you prove that you don't know **** about what you
speak. You should read the SAAMI specs. Rifles that are chambered for
223 only can possibly go kaboom and mess up your face if an attempt is
made to fire 5.56.

Shrug. My memory is out about the chambers & pressures, but I'm right
about the case sizes. I've reloaded *heaps* of boxer primed ex military
brass, used to buy it for peanuts at gun shows, fired it
interchangeably with commercial brass in both a Rem 700 Varmint and a
Ruger Mini-14. However, it's quite safe to fire 223 Rem ammo in a
military 5.56 NATO chamber. Ruger Mini-14's have been chambered for
both and I used to use one regularly with ex mil 5.56 NATO ammo without
any noticeable ill effects. Maybe because the Rem 700 was a high
quality rifle not a cheap POS.

http://www.thegunzone.com/556v223.html has some interesting comments.

The most likely effect of an over pressure round is a backed out primer
and a possibly binding action, not a rifle going 'kaboom and messing up
your face'. Not desirable, but not the end of the world either. Ask any
serious handloader who's worked up 'hot' loads a bit at a time.

Still, you learn something new every day, hey? No need to thank me for
expanding your knowledge base. If I get bored I'll dig out my reloading
manuals and compare bullet weights & velocities. I assume you do
understand the TANSTAAFL concept insofar as it's pretty hard to get
higher MV with the same bullet weight and less chamber pressure. Of
course that depends somewhat on the powder you've used, but frankly,
I'm not that interested these days and if all you want to do is
endanger your neighbours, you don't need to reload your own ammo.

PDW