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In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

"Ringmaster" wrote in message
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Did you get a Colt or a Bushmaster? I bought a shortie cabine from
Bushmaster because of the chrome lined
barrel. What length barrel? Do you have a flash supressor? what
stock? what top?

I bought a Bushmaster 16" carbine "Patrolman" model with the A3 top,
collapsible stock. Yes it has a flash supressor.

..... which makes it longer than an 18" barrelled shotgun. Good choice.

I didn't like the
idea of a pinned and welded supressor on the 14" "shorty" model. I'm
looking at optics at the moment.

Yep, just what you need for home defence, optics.....

I liked Bushmaster for the chrome
lined barrel, ability to shoot 5.56 and it's known quality
construction. I didn't like the fact Colt uses non standard pins which
would make swapping stuff impossible. I got a hellava deal from a
kitchen table FFL dealer in Virginia. $860. MSRP was $1230.

I paid only $140 some years back for a new-in-the-box, Russian-made 7.62x39
SSK. It's got a pivoting bayonet, and I bought five 30-round magazines for
it, plus a case of Wolf (Russian) ammo--Berdan-primed, so picking up brass
is a non-issue.

As a defense piece, it blows your AR-15 away in all respects, excepting
compactness. However I can obtain an aftermarket collapsible stock for it,
if I really felt it were a necessity, which I don't.

Been there, too, Max. I have memories of shooting feral goats thru the
chest at less than 50m with one of those, using FMJ ex-mil ammo. Waste
of time, you needed to hit them multiple times before they fell over. I
bought it to play with and traded it when I got tired of it. Ditto with
a toy M1 carbine. A SAFN 30-06 was somewhat more effective.

I assume you have more sense than to use FMJ on humans.

OTOH the Ruger 44Mag carbine with 240gr JHP was a one shot drop every
time, as was a 6mm Rem with 85gr Sierra SP at 3300 fps for the longer
ranges. We used to shoot the crap out of mobs of feral goats at close
range until the survivors learnt better, then snipe them across the
ridges until they decided it was healthier back in the national park.

Where I live I dont' expect to ever need to shoot at people, and don't
plan on spending any time thinkng about it. However I know what guns
I'd be using and they'd be those that most efficiently killed animals
of approx the same size/weight.

PDW

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"DSK" wrote
Understood. But there is no disaster so bad that the
lawyers
will be permanently gone.

Rats!




Besides, if you have a big dog, he'll not only defend your
home but can help you hide the bodies. "Why no officer, I
never saw any looters at all in this neighborhood."


We have a small dog and she's afraid of her own shadow.

SV

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"katy" wrote
heh...Vito and me on the same boat...would be a matter of who would
kill who first....

Naw, being old I have strong opinions but always seek new information with which
to modify or reinforce them. Thats why I like the discussions here. Didn't you
say you read/spoke Hebrew?

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Seahag wrote:
"katy" wrote:
Ringmaster wrote:
So...just what East Coast disaster are you waiting for?
The mammoth
tsunami?

Earthquake, riots, massive power outs, zombies.

Got news for you...the zombies are already here..I saw a
group of them at Food Lion this afternoon....

Try the Piggly Wiggly.

Seahag


Too close to Smithfield for that! No pigs are left to wiggle around
here! They all turn into Virginia hams...

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Scotty wrote:
"DSK" wrote
Understood. But there is no disaster so bad that the
lawyers
will be permanently gone.

Rats!



Besides, if you have a big dog, he'll not only defend your
home but can help you hide the bodies. "Why no officer, I
never saw any looters at all in this neighborhood."


We have a small dog and she's afraid of her own shadow.

SV


It's been proven over and over again, that it doesn't make any
difference what size dog as long as it makes noise when people try
to break in. Can be the most friendly dog int he world, barking in
glee over company, but the noise still tips people off that
somethings wrong. Who wants to make the mistake of crawling through
the window of a house where the dog is frantically rollicking only
to be met with the barrel of a gun in their face? Dogs of any kind
are a deterrent...as long as they bark. On the other hand, there's
my daughters rottweiler who is as quiet as a shadow. If someone
crawled through a window, they would immediately lose bladder
control when they found the first limb ensconced in his jaws.

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"Peter Wiley" wrote
My picks if I didn't care much about collateral damage:

1. flamethrower. Bit difficult to get hold of, tho.

2. pump action shotgun loaded with buckshot.

3. Any decent semiauto .308 loaded with 150 gr JHP

4. Any decent semiauto .223 loaded with 50gr JHP.

Factor one more item into it - police both before and after the action. If
y'all have a 'vigilante weapon' they are likely to freak out and take it away
from you to avoid you killing somebody. By the same token, if you do have to
shoot, they're likely to be more understanding if you use a 'hunting' or
'target' gun. So the only one on the list I'd pick is the guage.

The 308 loaded with FMJ is going to go thru the bad guy, his buddy
behind him, the house behind *him* and maybe a few other items .....

..... including the little old lady on the next block. Great military weapon
tells police & prosecutors that y'all must be a vigilante looking for an excuse
to kill. Avoid that appearance. Don't forget to shriek "Don't hurt me! Please
don't hurt me!" while shooting them in order to support a self defense plea
later.

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"Ringmaster" wrote in message
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You must have seen "CSI: Miami" last night..

Awsome show in HD.

Question: do you find that such digital broadcasts have weird sound
quality? My background music is so loud that occasionally the dialog is
hard to hear. I love the HD, but the sound is unacceptable. All three TVs
have the same sound problems: a rear-projection, and two LCDs, all HD.

Max

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Vito wrote:
"katy" wrote
heh...Vito and me on the same boat...would be a matter of who would
kill who first....

Naw, being old I have strong opinions but always seek new information with which
to modify or reinforce them. Thats why I like the discussions here. Didn't you
say you read/spoke Hebrew?


No, I never made that claim. A bit of Spanish is all I lay claim
too..and that's just tourist Spanish.

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"DSK" wrote
Scotty wrote:
In the SHTF situation that Loco is talking about, I'd worry
about staying alive first and lawsuits much later.

Understood. But there is no disaster so bad that the lawyers
will be permanently gone.

If you save your home from looters during a disaster, and
lose it to a lawsuit soon after, what good did you do?


That's a point that cannot be overemphasized. Massad Ayoob has written several
books on the subject and I harp on it whenever I teach a firearms class.
Remember, the only LEGAL reason for using deadly force is that you *believe*
that your (or a loved one's) life is endangered and that you will have to prove
that. Simple robbery is not enough. So make it easy to prove - to police,
prosecutors and a jury if necessary. Make sure any/all witnesses believe that
you acted out of justifiable fear. Tell police "that murderer forced me to
shoot him. I was so scared". That's hard to pull off if you just happened to
whack him, and the kid in the next block, with a military style weapon. A pump
shotgun suitable for skeet shooting or a lever action 30-30, is alot easier to
explain than a military rifle.

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

I paid only $140 some years back for a new-in-the-box, Russian-made
7.62x39
SSK. It's got a pivoting bayonet, and I bought five 30-round magazines
for
it, plus a case of Wolf (Russian) ammo--Berdan-primed, so picking up
brass
is a non-issue.

As a defense piece, it blows your AR-15 away in all respects, excepting
compactness. However I can obtain an aftermarket collapsible stock for
it,
if I really felt it were a necessity, which I don't.

Been there, too, Max. I have memories of shooting feral goats thru the
chest at less than 50m with one of those, using FMJ ex-mil ammo. Waste
of time, you needed to hit them multiple times before they fell over. I
bought it to play with and traded it when I got tired of it. Ditto with
a toy M1 carbine. A SAFN 30-06 was somewhat more effective.

Duh. Obviously the 30-06 is a far more potent cartrige than the 7.62x39.
And why would you use a FMJ bullet for shooting goats??? Someone drilled a
tiny hole in the nose of those things in order to pass them off as "hunting
ammo" but they are still non-expanding FMJs and worthless. My Wolf ammo is
jacketed soft-point, and far more effective for hunting, despite the fact
that I didn't buy the gun to be a hunter. I have a Sako .308 and a
Winchester Model 94 in .30-30 for that purpose. What the SSK does is
provide a play weapon for little money and cheap ammo costs. Great for
plinking, shooting rats, and just making noise. Alexander Kalashnikov
designed a very reliable, gas-operated, semi-auto action, and the rifle is
well-balanced and light enough to carry around for a day of plinking. No
other purpose for it, IMO. As an aside, the 7.62x39, at .30 caliber, is a
more reliable military round than the .223 Nato, which will deflect and
tumble if it hits tree leaves between the gun and the target.

OTOH the Ruger 44Mag carbine with 240gr JHP was a one shot drop every
time, as was a 6mm Rem with 85gr Sierra SP at 3300 fps for the longer
ranges. We used to shoot the crap out of mobs of feral goats at close
range until the survivors learnt better, then snipe them across the
ridges until they decided it was healthier back in the national park.

Where I live I dont' expect to ever need to shoot at people, and don't
plan on spending any time thinkng about it. However I know what guns
I'd be using and they'd be those that most efficiently killed animals
of approx the same size/weight.

I'm betting you've never used an 18" shotgun with 4 buck on those goats,
right? Well, I can assure you it's an excellent defense load within 50
feet. I have one because I replicated what several police officers have
told me is what they've used with literally 100% success.

Max