Well, that was going to be my point, you *don't have to* spend
your own money. Seems like the better teachers do. Lisa is
constantly buying stuff for 'her kids', and yes, I complain about
it, though not strongly.
But for standard school supplies, she has a budget from the
school.

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Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scotty,
I'm not complaining, just clarifying: I usually drop a couple
of grand a
year on my students. This year, for instance, I've purchased 70
copies of
"To Kill A Mockingbird" I don't "have to" do it but I wanted
each kid to
have his or her own copy. Some will treasure it, some will
trash it. I've
purchased everything from mousetrap car kits to DVDs. My wife
does it too. I
print my own handouts at home, on my paper with my ink; to the
tune of many
thousands of copies per year.
I have about $500 sunk into the Mississippi trip, which is
really about
teaching our kids about community service. Most teachers I know
get their
supplies from a number of different sources, including their
own wallets.
When my wife worked in Trenton, in the urban schools, she
brought in
shopping bags full of food every week because the kids were
hungry, real
hungry. They were eating all the science experiments.
Interesting thread. I agree with some of it. I took a major cut
in pay to
teach but I've never been happier. I'd like to see more people
teach after
spending a career in business and industry. I work with a whole
building
full of folks like that.
There are a lot of folks here in asa who would make great
teachers.
Scout

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
Not here they don't.


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Actually, they do to a large extent. Many teachers spend
their
own money on
supplies that the schools should, but don't supply.

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www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Yes, it will work. You have to give people a living wage
that's
somewhere
close to the value they contribute to society. Teachers
should
not have to
pay for their own supplies, for example.


They don't.

People make choices. Scott's wife and Scout both
made the choice to teach. From what I've picked
up about both of them, they would probably both
continue for next to nothing.
I made the choice to teach sailing. I do it for
next to nothing. In my experience of hiring and
managing instructors, the ones who make more
demands (wages, benefits, working conditions, etc)
are also the least effective instructors. And if
I meet one of those demands, there's always
another.
S.

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
:
: "Capt. JG" wrote i
:
: Care to translate your "bandwidth" analogy
into English?
:
: Not having to have three jobs to make ends
meet, so that they
: actually have
: time to spend with the kids.
:
:
: Three jobs? Why would they need 3 jobs? When
we planned to have
: kids we decided that Mom would not work till the
kids were at
: least 14 YO. Sure this meant sailing a Mac
instead of a Swan,
: driving a Dodge van instead of a Beemer, but
you've got to get
: your priorities straight.
: Too many have it the wrong way today.
:
:
: --
: Scott Vernon
: Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_
:
:

Dave wrote:
Doug, despite the fact I generally disagree with you I respect you ability
to make a reasonably well-reasoned argument in many cases. Same with Max.
But Max is right on this point. The ad hominem attacks detract from
otherwise well-articulated arguments, rather than contributing to them.

Baloney.

You and Max are always calling names because you can't
summon any facts or logic to support your statements.

Perhaps you believe that my pointing out your errors is the
same as insulting you? You simply have repeated this
"ad-hominem" stuff so often that you believe it yourself.
Now let's see the proof: quote at least three of my insults
to you in the past month. Last time I challenged you to do
so, you were rather quiet for a few days.

DSK

Now let's see the proof: quote at least three of my insults
to you in the past month.


Dave wrote:
My observation was not directed solely, or even primarily, to insults to me,
though I could certainly go back and pick out a few if I thought it worth
the effort.

Translation: Doug doesn't insult people nearly as much as
he's accused of, but the people accusing him love to blather
on & on & on about it as a distraction from their losing
arguments

DSK

In article ,
Scotty wrote:

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Well, I said close. Besides, a major league pitcher is much
more valued than
a doctor, and that says a whole lot about the society.

I don't think relative rarity is a good measure either. If that
were the
case, buggy whip makers would be billionaires. Some of them
could make
extraordinary buggy whips. Of course Bill Gates can make
extraordinarily
buggy software...


There are a lot of buggy whip shops in my area, Some are quite
good at it.

Exception noted, but they're not billionaires either.

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www.sailnow.com

In article ,
Scotty wrote:

"Capt. JG" wrote i

Care to translate your "bandwidth" analogy into English?

Not having to have three jobs to make ends meet, so that they
actually have
time to spend with the kids.


Three jobs? Why would they need 3 jobs? When we planned to have
kids we decided that Mom would not work till the kids were at
least 14 YO. Sure this meant sailing a Mac instead of a Swan,
driving a Dodge van instead of a Beemer, but you've got to get
your priorities straight.
Too many have it the wrong way today.

Some people are less fortunate than you by having a job that pays less
well than yours. I know a guy with five kids. Both parents work at
least two jobs, with my friend having sometimes worked three when his
youngest had leukemia and he and his wife had inadequate health
insurance.



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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

There are a lot of buggy whip shops in my area, Some are quite
good at it.


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Exception noted, but they're not billionaires either.


Of course not. What's the point of whipping a buggy? To get
anywhere, you should whip the *horse*.

DSK

Dave wrote:
Nah. Translation: I feel no need to scurry about trying to deal with such
stuff and nonsense.

Agreed. Your accusation that I have been insulting & making
ad-hominem attacks is nonsense.

DSK

Hey Steve, please email me. Might have an offer you can't
refuse.



DSK

I just want to add that I was outraged when I heard that there was a
memorial service for that murderer in LA after he was executed.

I may be morally opposed to the death penalty, but to honor a
convicted murderer who showed no remorse whatsoever, and who was the
leader of huge criminal organization, was disrespectful to the people
who lost loved ones due to his actions.

I find it hard to believe that those doing the memorializing couldn't
find a more worthy person in or out of prison.

It was an absolutely disgusting display.

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