"Scotty" wrote in message
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: "Capt. JG" wrote in ...

: We need to pay teachers more, since this will
attract better
: teachers. We
: need to test kids, but not put the emphasis of
teaching to the
: test.
:
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: I agree, double their salaries NOW!
:

Paying teachers more won't work. In the past, we
paid top wages to sailing instructors. We still
ended up with some lazy, crappy instructors. The
good instructors would work for less.
Same with teachers. The really good ones don't
teach for the money. Most that I know would
continue even if you cut their pay in half. I
think you know some like that.
S.



:
: Of course, all this smacks of socialism, but
actually it makes
: good business
: sense.
:
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: Socialism or liberalism? Same-same.
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: Scotty
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in ...
I think it starts, as you said, with instilling the desire to
learn in kids
from their parents. So, part of it is to try and keep families
together,


Right, there should be laws against single parenting, and homo's
rearing kids.

But wait... you're telling me that gays are responsible for criminals in
prison and hurricanes? How is that possible?


We need to pay teachers more, since this will attract better
teachers. We
need to test kids, but not put the emphasis of teaching to the
test.


I agree, double their salaries NOW!

That would be a good start. I have a friend who would love to teach, but
just can't afford the 1/3 of her current salary. Even if it was 50% of her
current salary, she'd probably do it.


Of course, all this smacks of socialism, but actually it makes
good business
sense.


Socialism or liberalism? Same-same.

good business sense. same-same

"DSK" wrote in message
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We need to pay teachers more, since this will attract better
teachers. We
need to test kids, but not put the emphasis of teaching to the
test.


How would you avoid this?

Putting more control into the hand of the local educators and the state vs.
the fed.

It's all communism, comrade.

Why do you think a baby's first words are invariably "Da Da"?

Yes, it will work. You have to give people a living wage that's somewhere
close to the value they contribute to society. Teachers should not have to
pay for their own supplies, for example.


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"NotPony" wrote in message
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Paying teachers more won't work. In the past, we
paid top wages to sailing instructors. We still
ended up with some lazy, crappy instructors. The
good instructors would work for less.
Same with teachers. The really good ones don't
teach for the money. Most that I know would
continue even if you cut their pay in half. I
think you know some like that.
S.

Most have. But, teachers are under pressure to go elsewhere.

... We
need to test kids, but not put the emphasis of teaching to the
test.


How would you avoid this?


Capt. JG wrote:
Putting more control into the hand of the local educators and the state vs.
the fed.


Agreed. I am flabbergasted that there are "conservatives"
who are in favor of more Federal oversight of schools.

OTOH uniform testing standards are a good idea, as is merit
pay for teachers.

One of the biggest problems America faces is that the
schools are turning out lots and lots of MBAs and lawyers,
but fewer engineers & doctors (and I don't mean Ph.D's in
Recreational Science).


It's all communism, comrade.


Why do you think a baby's first words are invariably "Da Da"?



Because of the flouride in the water. It's a plot, I tell you!

DSK

Putting more control into the hand of the local educators


Dave wrote:
In NYC, at least, that means the teachers' union.

Is this from the same folks who champion putting control of the chicken coop
into the hand of the foxes?

It certainly does, if you start out with the assumption that
teachers are all stupid & lazy & corrupt louts who became
teachers for the sole purpose of gleefully defrauding the
public.

Maybe your experiences in school led you to have these
prejudices against teachers?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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One of the biggest problems America faces is that the schools are turning
out lots and lots of MBAs and lawyers, but fewer engineers & doctors

Hey, watch it buster... g

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Yes, it will work. You have to give people a living wage that's
somewhere
close to the value they contribute to society. Teachers should
not have to
pay for their own supplies, for example.


They don't.

"NotPony" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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:
: "Capt. JG" wrote in ...

: We need to pay teachers more, since this will
attract better
: teachers. We
: need to test kids, but not put the emphasis of
teaching to the
: test.
:
:
: I agree, double their salaries NOW!
:

Paying teachers more won't work.


Couldn't we at least try it for a decade and see what happens?


In the past, we
paid top wages to sailing instructors. We still
ended up with some lazy, crappy instructors. The
good instructors would work for less.
Same with teachers. The really good ones don't
teach for the money. Most that I know would
continue even if you cut their pay in half. I
think you know some like that.


Shhhhhhh, keep that under your hat.


Scotty

Where's Scout when ya need him?



"Dave" wrote this bull****....

It certainly does, if you start out with the assumption that
teachers are all stupid & lazy & corrupt louts who became
teachers for the sole purpose of gleefully defrauding the
public.

Maybe your experiences in school led you to have these
prejudices against teachers?

My conclusions about today's unionized teachers do indeed
derive in part
from my own experiences in school, and the contrast I later
observed. You
see, my school days were before teachers became unionized, and
my father was
for a number of years the president of the local school board.
I had a
chance to see at close range the results of good school
management. Those
teachers who performed got good raises and stayed around. Those
who didn't
perform didn't last more than a year or two. They either moved
on or got out
of the profession. The ones who remained where genuinely
capable in their
fields and interested in their students.

Fast forward 20 years and the teachers in the public schools
are almost
without exception drawn from the ranks of those who can't
master any
substantive field and so study "education." Unionized. No
merit pay. No
work beyond the minimum required in the union contract.
Impossible to fire
if they're incompetent. And it's 30 years and out.

Make no mistake, I have seen many capable teachers in NYC. But
with one or
two exceptions they're non-union and working in the private
schools, not in
the unionized public schools.