Capt. Rob wrote:
Jeff wrote....


I remember a day when it was absolutely dead calm and we motored.
Winds picked up and still we motored.
....

Wow, that's really funny, Bob. Perhaps your most creative yet.

But seriously, what are you going to do now that you know that your
new boat is such a dog in light air it needs and extra 24 seconds/mile
handicap to stay with the Catalinas and Hunters? It sure looks like
this "stepping stone" was a step backwards in performance.

Good research, there, Bob. At least you have A/C so it won't be so
horrific sitting at the dock.

But seriously, what are you going to do now that you know that your
new boat is such a dog in light air it needs and extra 24 seconds/mile
handicap to stay with the Catalinas and Hunters?


Are you suggesting that a Catalina 36 or 34 will sail faster in light
air??? Do tell.


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
But seriously, what are you going to do now that you know that your
new boat is such a dog in light air it needs and extra 24 seconds/mile
handicap to stay with the Catalinas and Hunters?


Are you suggesting that a Catalina 36 or 34 will sail faster in light
air??? Do tell.


I only have the numbers to go by - there are several Catalinas whose
ratings are only about a dozen seconds slower than your boat. The
bendy, however, needs a huge handicap to catch up - 12 to 14 seconds
more than various Catalinas. What its saying is that the rating of
the 35s5 is really about the same as the Catalina 34 and 36 in light
air.

This isn't my "opinion," these are the facts. For opinions, you can
find numerous people who say that the bendy is hard to sail to its
potential, and requires high skills of both helm and crew. You're the
one who claimed the rating is actually too low and "average" skippers
have trouble winning because of that.

Further, your mylar sails doesn't count for much - you could add those
to any boat. Can you point to your long experience winning races with
fractional rigs? The light air difference between the bendy and your
old C&C with you at the helm may be too small to measure.

Now if you really wanted a light air cruiser, you could have had this
for $64,000:
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/classi...p40_bquest.jpg
PHRF of about 42, with a light air adjustment of -26, for a net rating
of 16.

It's looking more and more like the Boob made the wrong decision. I
like that Trip 40 by the way.

This isn't my "opinion," these are the facts. For opinions, you can
find numerous people who say that the bendy is hard to sail to its
potential, and requires high skills of both helm and crew. You're the
one who claimed the rating is actually too low and "average" skippers
have trouble winning because of that.


Here are some "facts" for you, Jeff. Do with them as you wish.
The Catalina has less sail area than the 35s5 and displaces 2000 lbs
more. The 1st series hull has less wetted surface as well. I have a
nice Catalina 34 here that I've sailed plenty of times and I sailed
Catalina 36's on a few occasions. Catalina 36 SA/D is 16.99. They are
not terrible in light air...maybe a bit worse than my Pearson 30 was.
Unlike you I've sailed the boats being discussed. It was a light air
sail on the 35s5 near Oyster Bay that sealed the deal. Keep in mind
that we also sailed the J34c, which we found comparable in light
air...and rated the same. If you think a Catalina 36 can outrun a 35s5
or J34c there's simply no hope for you, dude. Hey, but if warms your
heart any, the Catalina backs up better!
You can crunch numbers until you turn blue, read comments and race
committee evaluations. None of that effects the truth of the matter as
indicated by owners and someone who's actually SAILED the boats...which
I have posted warts and all. I'm not surprised that a performance boat
has to be sailed well to achieve it's potential, but I could see how it
would worry you!
Let us know when you get some real experience with any of these boats.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
This isn't my "opinion," these are the facts. For opinions, you can
find numerous people who say that the bendy is hard to sail to its
potential, and requires high skills of both helm and crew. You're the
one who claimed the rating is actually too low and "average" skippers
have trouble winning because of that.


Here are some "facts" for you, Jeff. Do with them as you wish.
The Catalina has less sail area than the 35s5 and displaces 2000 lbs
more. The 1st series hull has less wetted surface as well. I have a
nice Catalina 34 here that I've sailed plenty of times and I sailed
Catalina 36's on a few occasions. Catalina 36 SA/D is 16.99. They are
not terrible in light air...maybe a bit worse than my Pearson 30 was.
Unlike you I've sailed the boats being discussed. It was a light air
sail on the 35s5 near Oyster Bay that sealed the deal. Keep in mind
that we also sailed the J34c, which we found comparable in light
air...and rated the same. If you think a Catalina 36 can outrun a 35s5
or J34c there's simply no hope for you, dude. Hey, but if warms your
heart any, the Catalina backs up better!

More of your typical BS, BS. You're claiming the bendy is "just as
fast" as a J34c. The fact is that J34c rates about 111. I don't have
the Americap adjustment, but it probably isn't very large one way or
another. Meanwhile, the Bendy's rating, adjusted for light air, is
well over 150. So Bob is claiming that his new dog is "just as fast"
is a boat the rates more the 40 seconds faster per mile. You're soft
as puppy ****, bubbles!

Then he spouts number to show how much he knows, but all he did was
show that the Cat 36 has a higher SA/Disp then his bendy! (He hasn't
figured out the the numbers sometimes given for the bendy are wrong!)

You can crunch numbers until you turn blue, read comments and race
committee evaluations. None of that effects the truth of the matter as
indicated by owners

Oh - the owners ... they're always the ones with the most unbiased
opinions. Except maybe the salesmen.

and someone who's actually SAILED the boats...which
I have posted warts and all.

And obviously we should believe a pathological liar who insists that a
boat is just as fast as one that rates 40 seconds faster.

Now if you really wanted a light air cruiser, you could have had this
for $64,000:
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/classi...p40_bquest.jpg
PHRF of about 42, with a light air adjustment of -26, for a net rating



Uh, yeah Jeff...good pick for a family boat! You sure know boats!

RB
35s5
NY

Wow, that's really funny, Bob.


Humor and truth...a great combo!
I just wish my boat was faster than a catalina 36 in light air!


RB
35s5
NY