All kidding aside, it sure is too bad that they can't figure out that this
newsgroup is not that important to world peace or whatever. I just don't get
it. From the second hand posts, I can see that I'm being accused of all
sorts of things. As is my usual response, I won't confirm nor deny it. Let
them stew in their own fetid juices. It really does bother me, however, that
they're resorting to cross-posting and attempting to get help from those
jerks that tried to really destroy the newsgroup a year or so ago. I just
don't see the justification except in their juvinile minds.

Sorry for the rant.

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www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
thanks Jon, I like you too.

SV

"JG" wrote in message
...
At least Scott is an honest asshole.... unlike Mooron, Neal and
the
others...

JG wrote:

All kidding aside, it sure is too bad that they can't figure out that
this newsgroup is not that important to world peace or whatever.

Quite. It's a source of fun and banter - apres-race ****takes and debate in
the yacht club bar is a good analogy.


I just don't get it.

It's about LP getting back at Katysails over some dumb flame war.


It really does bother me, however, that they're resorting to
cross-posting and attempting to get help from those jerks that tried
to really destroy the newsgroup a year or so ago.

Yup, LP and Katysails have some pathetic hissy fit, so LP calls in a bunch
of boot-boys and has the whole bar trashed.


I just don't see the justification except in their juvinile minds.

That's because there is none beyond that. Neal might play the trolling,
opiniated mouthpiece, but he's often done so with some humour; and LP played
some flirtatious floosie, who I could quite happily take or leave - just a
bit player as far as I was concerned.

I think what we've seen here is a game of "Let's you and him fight", between
Neal and Katy, instigated by LP. LP couldn't give Katy a good enough kicking
on her own, so she got Neal to do it for her, and in such a way as to force
Katy's hand (ie, do the netcop thing), knowing that, as soon as Katy
netcopped, LP would raise the flag for the flonkers to come in and trash the
bar. LP is basically making a big show of giving Katy a kicking because she
couldn't do it on her own, and all been played out on an unimportant virtual
stage where nobody else gives a toss about anything other than getting on
with the fun and banter they come here for. It's a load of pathetic
ego-wank.

I was pleased for Neal that he got some female company while out sailing for
a few days, but both he and LP have gone way down in my estimation after
this. Especially LP - she's gone from a bit-player to being spiteful,
vindictive and more than willing to **** everybody off because she can't
deal with a stupid personal flame war (the justification of 'protecting free
speech' is nothing more than a smokescreen for that - that might be where
the flonkers are at, but it wasn't what LP was using them for). Neal would
do well to step away from this person for a while and consider the results
of his part in this. I don't think the nett gain can be described as
positive.

As I said to LP in another post, all we really have here is personas.
Outside of those we've met in real life, we don't really know the person
behind the poster. In spite of that, I've often wondered who I would go for
a sail with if I ever found myself on the other side of the pond. For all
his invective, Neal was one of them - but not in the present climate.


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Wally
www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm
www.wally.myby.co.uk

"Wally" wrote in message
...
snip
As I said to LP in another post, all we really have here is personas.
Outside of those we've met in real life, we don't really know the person
behind the poster. In spite of that, I've often wondered who I would go
for
a sail with if I ever found myself on the other side of the pond. For all
his invective, Neal was one of them - but not in the present climate.

Good post, Wally.



Regards



Donal
--

Donal wrote:

Good post, Wally.

Cheers. Just trying to see this little episode for what it really is.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm
www.wally.myby.co.uk

No. Excellent post. Get with it Donal.

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www.sailnow.com

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Wally" wrote in message
...
snip
As I said to LP in another post, all we really have here is personas.
Outside of those we've met in real life, we don't really know the person
behind the poster. In spite of that, I've often wondered who I would go
for
a sail with if I ever found myself on the other side of the pond. For all
his invective, Neal was one of them - but not in the present climate.

Good post, Wally.



Regards



Donal
--

"JG" wrote in message
...
No. Excellent post. Get with it Donal.


Jonathan,

Wally posted a well balanced view of the situation.

OTOH, it seems possible that you have indeed made a complaint to Neal's ISP.

I abhor such conduct. I *really* abhor such conduct.

I think that you need to learn the difference between "abuse OF the
internet"(illegal) and "abuse ON the Internet" (legal).

If somebody calls you a "Homo" then you just have to deal with it. It isn't
a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to run to "teacher" screaming
"Please Miss, Please Miss!".


If you want to know how a real heterosexual man deals with accusations of
homosexuality then why don't you accuse me of being a Homo? I'll be quite
happy to give you a demonstration of how you should behave when confronted
with false allegations.



Regards


Donal
--

"Donal" wrote in message ...

"JG" wrote in message
...
No. Excellent post. Get with it Donal.


Jonathan,

Wally posted a well balanced view of the situation.

OTOH, it seems possible that you have indeed made a complaint to Neal's ISP.

I abhor such conduct. I *really* abhor such conduct.

I think that you need to learn the difference between "abuse OF the
internet"(illegal) and "abuse ON the Internet" (legal).

If somebody calls you a "Homo" then you just have to deal with it. It isn't
a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to run to "teacher" screaming
"Please Miss, Please Miss!".


If you want to know how a real heterosexual man deals with accusations of
homosexuality then why don't you accuse me of being a Homo? I'll be quite
happy to give you a demonstration of how you should behave when confronted
with false allegations.



Regards


Donal

Donal,

Ganz did, indeed, netcop me. He has done so several times in the past as well.
Both Ganz and Haight have done so. Katy admitted it here and I can send you
confidential proof that Ganz has done so. I even posted one of his netKKKop
e-mails from a previous ISP here several years ago. It can probably still be
found in the archives at Google.

Thanks for realizing the seriousness of any attempt to deny another
individual's rights to free speech.

CN

Donal,

Of course it's "possible." However, I will neither confirm nor deny it. So,
you're left with either believing Neal, who is a known liar or with
accepting the fact that you'll never know for sure. Assuming for a moment
that I did actually contact his ISP (and we're not talking recently here),
then is it possible for you to imagine a situation that would make it ok to
do so... I mean beyond reacting to his foul language and odd views of the
world? What would be an acceptable reason in your view for protesting to an
ISP? Neal seems to have no problem supposedly bragging about reporting me to
supernews. I don't see you decrying that. Why the double standard,
especially w.r.t. Neal?

I will say this about that... :-) For someone to call me a homo is not an
issue that would cause me to "report someone to his ISP." I'm sure it would
be viewed as a stupid complaint with no merit, since filtering is available.
And, in fact, I have filtered Neal pretty effectively. The only time I see
his posts are when someone copies them in theirs.

You've claimed in the past that I had no sense of humor and yet it seems you
don't. Wally's post was right on. You said it was a good post and a chided
you by saying that it was a great post. Obviously, you're humor impaired not
to see the humor in that.

I'm truly sorry for you.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"JG" wrote in message
...
No. Excellent post. Get with it Donal.


Jonathan,

Wally posted a well balanced view of the situation.

OTOH, it seems possible that you have indeed made a complaint to Neal's
ISP.

I abhor such conduct. I *really* abhor such conduct.

I think that you need to learn the difference between "abuse OF the
internet"(illegal) and "abuse ON the Internet" (legal).

If somebody calls you a "Homo" then you just have to deal with it. It
isn't
a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to run to "teacher" screaming
"Please Miss, Please Miss!".


If you want to know how a real heterosexual man deals with accusations of
homosexuality then why don't you accuse me of being a Homo? I'll be
quite
happy to give you a demonstration of how you should behave when confronted
with false allegations.



Regards


Donal
--

"JG" wrote in message ...
Donal,

Of course it's "possible." However, I will neither confirm nor deny it. So,
you're left with either believing Neal, who is a known liar or with
accepting the fact that you'll never know for sure.

Never know for sure? lol

What about believing Gary Burnore who wrote about Ganz's netcop
abuse complaints, and I quote, "He's made several. Four to be exact.
The first one was laughed at. The rest ignored."

CN



Assuming for a moment
that I did actually contact his ISP (and we're not talking recently here),
then is it possible for you to imagine a situation that would make it ok to
do so... I mean beyond reacting to his foul language and odd views of the
world? What would be an acceptable reason in your view for protesting to an
ISP? Neal seems to have no problem supposedly bragging about reporting me to
supernews. I don't see you decrying that. Why the double standard,
especially w.r.t. Neal?

I will say this about that... :-) For someone to call me a homo is not an
issue that would cause me to "report someone to his ISP." I'm sure it would
be viewed as a stupid complaint with no merit, since filtering is available.
And, in fact, I have filtered Neal pretty effectively. The only time I see
his posts are when someone copies them in theirs.

You've claimed in the past that I had no sense of humor and yet it seems you
don't. Wally's post was right on. You said it was a good post and a chided
you by saying that it was a great post. Obviously, you're humor impaired not
to see the humor in that.

I'm truly sorry for you.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"JG" wrote in message
...
No. Excellent post. Get with it Donal.


Jonathan,

Wally posted a well balanced view of the situation.

OTOH, it seems possible that you have indeed made a complaint to Neal's
ISP.

I abhor such conduct. I *really* abhor such conduct.

I think that you need to learn the difference between "abuse OF the
internet"(illegal) and "abuse ON the Internet" (legal).

If somebody calls you a "Homo" then you just have to deal with it. It
isn't
a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to run to "teacher" screaming
"Please Miss, Please Miss!".


If you want to know how a real heterosexual man deals with accusations of
homosexuality then why don't you accuse me of being a Homo? I'll be
quite
happy to give you a demonstration of how you should behave when confronted
with false allegations.



Regards


Donal
--

"JG" wrote:
Donal,

Of course it's "possible." However, I will neither confirm nor deny it.

You don't need to "confirm nor deny" it Ganzy! I've seen proof!
Why do you add your home and cell numbers to the abuse reports, loser?

I'm truly sorry for you.

Too bad most in this newsgroup, except Scotty and Katywails of course, can
sympathize with your abhorrent behavior!

LP