I'm just mentioning Jon, not just noticing!
Scout

"JG" wrote in message
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Bwahahahaaa... you've just noticed this? Neal does this with anyone who
disagrees with him on anything.

Get with it Scout.

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"Scout" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in message
news

"Scout" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

Spark Notes (similar to Cliff's):

Summary - Act II, scene viii
Le Bret argues that Cyrano is ruining his chances of becoming a
successful
man or a famous poet. Cyrano says he will live according to his ideals
and
that he has no interest in making friends with unworthy men. Suddenly,
Christian enters.


Your interpretation is a bit different. Where does the difference come
from?

Just an observation. Have you noticed how people automatically condemn
things that challenge them rather than risking failure by accepting the
challenge? Students do this routinely, claiming things they haven't
mastered (read as: fear they cannot master), are stupid or unworthy.
Cyrano and Captain Neal both exhibit this behavior. In the case of the
latter, CN condemns me as unworthy because I have challenged his
political point of view. He doesn't appreciate my opinion regarding our
president's education reform initiatives, so he attacks everything from
my writing style to my manhood. Whether either is lacking is irrelevant
to the point of discussion. That, and only that, is my point in
challenging CN.
I've shared some of what I've experienced in America's public schools.
Let CN bring what he knows to the table. That is where this branch of the
discussion broke away.
Kurt Vonnegut said once that he wished to tell a story without using any
profanity. He said he had an important message to give, and he knew that
many people would not want to hear the message. He said he also knew that
if he used vulgarity of any sort, he would be giving those people the
justification they needed to turn away from what was important. I haven't
used any profanity either ~ so those who don't want to hear my testimony
will have to find or fabricate some other reason to turn a deaf ear. I
suppose a poorly focused paragraph works for CN.
Scout

Ah well. The meek inherit the earth: the rest float to the top...

Scout wrote:
Yes, a shame, that is.
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
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Too bad they'll be on the bottom of the harbour...

Scout wrote:

Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their
good names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
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Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
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"Flying Tadpole" wrote


Scout wrote:


you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout




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Flying Tadpole

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http://music.download.com/timfatchen
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

Scout, sometimes living in a megalopolis can have strange effects
on the mind and understanding and behaviour. Being aware of
this, there is much those of us far from the madding crowd can
indeed accept from you. But please, for your own health and
sanity, not to mention those young minds for whom you are
responsible, see your fantasy for what it truly is--Capt Neal
just CAN'T BE Bobsprit!

Scout wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote

Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!


So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?


He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

You can do better than that.


How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.


He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose

monogram

is a paper thin mask of civility.


Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?


Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster here
who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to expose
his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout



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Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

ironic eh? what with the floating scum and all.


"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
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Ah well. The meek inherit the earth: the rest float to the top...

Scout wrote:
Yes, a shame, that is.
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...

Too bad they'll be on the bottom of the harbour...

Scout wrote:

Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their
good names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
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Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...


"Flying Tadpole" wrote


Scout wrote:


you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout




--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm




--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/timfatchen
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

So once I've moved out to the country, with its radon and emf radiation and
coliform, my mind will unfog and I'll awaken from this horrid dream?


"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
Scout, sometimes living in a megalopolis can have strange effects on the
mind and understanding and behaviour. Being aware of this, there is much
those of us far from the madding crowd can indeed accept from you. But
please, for your own health and sanity, not to mention those young minds
for whom you are responsible, see your fantasy for what it truly is--Capt
Neal just CAN'T BE Bobsprit!

Scout wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote

Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!


So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?


He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

You can do better than that.


How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.


He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose

monogram

is a paper thin mask of civility.


Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?


Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout

--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

Well, perhaps the outlook isn't wholly optimistic: it depends on
the level of physiological and psychological damage you've
suffered. But never mind! Just remember that humans evolved in a
high-radiation environment! It made us what we are! And you'll
feel much better if you keep firmly in mind that planets are the
unsafest places to live in space! (your problems are nothing the
next asteroid impact can't cure).

Flying Tadpole (poring over all the circular structures
discernible in the South Oz outback, each with their scatter of
pretty stones, and checking real estate around Mt Gambier, which
blew up a few years prior to Pompei. Ah the joys of country life).

Scout wrote:
So once I've moved out to the country, with its radon and emf radiation and
coliform, my mind will unfog and I'll awaken from this horrid dream?


"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...

Scout, sometimes living in a megalopolis can have strange effects on the
mind and understanding and behaviour. Being aware of this, there is much
those of us far from the madding crowd can indeed accept from you. But
please, for your own health and sanity, not to mention those young minds
for whom you are responsible, see your fantasy for what it truly is--Capt
Neal just CAN'T BE Bobsprit!

Scout wrote:

"Gilligan" wrote


Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!


So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?



He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

You can do better than that.


How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.



He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose

monogram


is a paper thin mask of civility.


Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?


Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout

--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

Great! for a second there I thought I was in trouble.
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
Well, perhaps the outlook isn't wholly optimistic: it depends on the level
of physiological and psychological damage you've suffered. But never
mind! Just remember that humans evolved in a high-radiation environment!
It made us what we are! And you'll feel much better if you keep firmly in
mind that planets are the unsafest places to live in space! (your problems
are nothing the next asteroid impact can't cure).

Flying Tadpole (poring over all the circular structures discernible in the
South Oz outback, each with their scatter of pretty stones, and checking
real estate around Mt Gambier, which blew up a few years prior to Pompei.
Ah the joys of country life).

Scout wrote:
So once I've moved out to the country, with its radon and emf radiation
and coliform, my mind will unfog and I'll awaken from this horrid dream?


"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...

Scout, sometimes living in a megalopolis can have strange effects on the
mind and understanding and behaviour. Being aware of this, there is much
those of us far from the madding crowd can indeed accept from you. But
please, for your own health and sanity, not to mention those young minds
for whom you are responsible, see your fantasy for what it truly is--Capt
Neal just CAN'T BE Bobsprit!

Scout wrote:

"Gilligan" wrote


Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!


So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?



He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

You can do better than that.


How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering
bully. He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him
as a tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.



He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose

monogram


is a paper thin mask of civility.


Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or
do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?


Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout

--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

But aren't you mixing your metaphorical characters a bit too freely? I
mean, Cyrano ne'er tilted any windbagmills no matter slow or fine they
grind.


Gilligan wrote:
DE GUICHE (who has controlled himself--smiling):
Have you read 'Don Quixote'?

CYRANO:
I have!
And doff my hat at th' mad knight-errant's name.

DE GUICHE:
I counsel you to study. . .

A PORTER (appearing at back):
My lord's chair!

DE GUICHE:
. . .The windmill chapter!

CYRANO (bowing):
Chapter the Thirteenth.

DE GUICHE:
For when one tilts 'gainst windmills--it may chance. . .

CYRANO:
Tilt I 'gainst those who change with every breeze?

DE GUICHE:
. . .That windmill sails may sweep you with their arm
Down--in the mire!. . .

CYRANO:
Or upward--to the stars!


I remembered that part... one of my favorite pieces of literature... BTW
aren't you afraid of invoking the Crapton's ire, quoting something
that's not only "Theatah" but so blatantly French?

Observe the above dialogue. Cyrano was not tilting at windmills, nor was
he planning to. He was pointing oout De Guiche's error in assuming that
Don Quixote's madness would inevitably lead to failure & humiliation...
a veiled threat against Cyrano.

DSK

The windmills are acknowledged in the death scene as Cyrano sums up his
life:

CYRANO:
Why, I well believe
He dares to mock my nose? Ho! insolent!
(He raises his sword):
What say you? It is useless? Ay, I know
But who fights ever hoping for success?
------------------------Right here and the next line
I fought for lost cause, and for fruitless quest!
You there, who are you!--You are thousands!
Ah!
I know you now, old enemies of mine!
Falsehood!
(He strikes in air with his sword):
Have at you! Ha! and Compromise!
Prejudice, Treachery!. . .
(He strikes):
Surrender, I?
Parley? No, never! You too, Folly,--you?
I know that you will lay me low at last;
Let be! Yet I fall fighting, fighting still!
(He makes passes in the air, and stops, breathless):
You strip from me the laurel and the rose!
Take all! Despite you there is yet one thing
I hold against you all, and when, to-night,
I enter Christ's fair courts, and, lowly bowed,
Sweep with doffed casque the heavens' threshold blue,
One thing is left, that, void of stain or smutch,
I bear away despite you.

(He springs forward, his sword raised; it falls from his hand; he staggers,
falls back into the arms of Le Bret and Ragueneau.)

ROXANE (bending and kissing his forehead):
'Tis?. . .

CYRANO (opening his eyes, recognizing her, and smiling):
MY PANACHE.


Curtain.


"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
But aren't you mixing your metaphorical characters a bit too freely? I
mean, Cyrano ne'er tilted any windbagmills no matter slow or fine they
grind.


Gilligan wrote:
DE GUICHE (who has controlled himself--smiling):
Have you read 'Don Quixote'?

CYRANO:
I have!
And doff my hat at th' mad knight-errant's name.

DE GUICHE:
I counsel you to study. . .

A PORTER (appearing at back):
My lord's chair!

DE GUICHE:
. . .The windmill chapter!

CYRANO (bowing):
Chapter the Thirteenth.

DE GUICHE:
For when one tilts 'gainst windmills--it may chance. . .

CYRANO:
Tilt I 'gainst those who change with every breeze?

DE GUICHE:
. . .That windmill sails may sweep you with their arm
Down--in the mire!. . .

CYRANO:
Or upward--to the stars!


I remembered that part... one of my favorite pieces of literature... BTW
aren't you afraid of invoking the Crapton's ire, quoting something
that's not only "Theatah" but so blatantly French?

Observe the above dialogue. Cyrano was not tilting at windmills, nor was
he planning to. He was pointing oout De Guiche's error in assuming that
Don Quixote's madness would inevitably lead to failure & humiliation...
a veiled threat against Cyrano.

DSK

What a crucible we've become...and who will sit in judgment?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their good
names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Flying Tadpole" wrote
Scout wrote:
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout