Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"
Date: 12/19/2004 6:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: .com


CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Bob Crantz"
Date: 12/16/2004 11:50 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: t


A Master's license does not make one a Master Mariner. Not even an
unlimited
Master's license does that.



That all depends on who defines "Master"

According to the USCG you are a "master of"

But according to the Sea....no one will master her.... ever....


You sign your post as Capt. Are you a licenced Capt, or just another
Bobspirt like Capt?

Joe


The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a USCG term.
I'm licensed, but do not sign my post because of that, rather, because I've
sailed as that.
The term of address - Captain - applies to any Master of a vessel. However, the
term Master Mariner, only applies to those with unlimited licenses and there
are some variations within the industry as to it's use even for them.

Capt.

CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"
Date: 12/19/2004 6:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: .com


CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Bob Crantz"
Date: 12/16/2004 11:50 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: t


A Master's license does not make one a Master Mariner. Not even an
unlimited
Master's license does that.



That all depends on who defines "Master"

According to the USCG you are a "master of"

But according to the Sea....no one will master her.... ever....


You sign your post as Capt. Are you a licenced Capt, or just another
Bobspirt like Capt?

Joe


The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a USCG term.
I'm licensed, but do not sign my post because of that, rather,
because I've
sailed as that.
The term of address - Captain - applies to any Master of a vessel.
However, the
term Master Mariner, only applies to those with unlimited licenses
and there
are some variations within the industry as to it's use even for them.



WOW thats very strange...My USCG Licences calls me a "Master of Freight
and Towing Vessels of not more than 1,600 ton upon oceans not more than
200 miles offshore".

The CG call me one.... and it is a limited license.

So you sir..... are full of ****! Another Bobspirt Capt.
Joe



Capt.

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"


WOW thats very strange...My USCG Licences calls me a "Master of Freight
and Towing Vessels of not more than 1,600 ton upon oceans not more than
200 miles offshore".

The CG call me one.... and it is a limited license.

So you sir..... are full of ****! Another Bobspirt Capt.
Joe


The term being discussed, is "Master Mariner" not "Master".
I'm glad for you that the CG now calls you a Master, but that has nothing to do
with your being called a Master Mariner, which you're not and with your
license, never will be.



Capt

Forget Joey. He can barely read.

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"CaptMMA" wrote in message
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Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"


WOW thats very strange...My USCG Licences calls me a "Master of Freight
and Towing Vessels of not more than 1,600 ton upon oceans not more than
200 miles offshore".

The CG call me one.... and it is a limited license.

So you sir..... are full of ****! Another Bobspirt Capt.
Joe


The term being discussed, is "Master Mariner" not "Master".
I'm glad for you that the CG now calls you a Master, but that has nothing
to do
with your being called a Master Mariner, which you're not and with your
license, never will be.



Capt

Oh...Let me guess... your a Master Mariner.

And you may be one if it is defined as a once in a while weekend
warrior sailing a gay, cheap, throw away quality Cal 20 ....while
wearing a Capt Stubing style Capt. Cap. and white jacket with gold bars
and tassels on the sholder.

Guess you have your student saluting you, and piping you aboard.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Oh...Let me guess... your a Master Mariner.

And you may be one if it is defined as a once in a while weekend
warrior sailing a gay, cheap, throw away quality Cal 20 ....while
wearing a Capt Stubing style Capt. Cap. and white jacket with gold bars
and tassels on the sholder.

Guess you have your student saluting you, and piping you aboard.

Joe

Wow, finally a Gaynz reply that's not gayed up.

Scotty


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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Oh...Let me guess... your a Master Mariner.

And you may be one if it is defined as a once in a while weekend
warrior sailing a gay, cheap, throw away quality Cal 20 ....while
wearing a Capt Stubing style Capt. Cap. and white jacket with gold
bars
and tassels on the sholder.

Guess you have your student saluting you, and piping you aboard.

Joe

So who defines the term Master Mariner?

In what profession is the term used, and who defines who deserves such
a high ranking?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Joe

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"
Date: 12/20/2004 6:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: .com

So who defines the term Master Mariner?

In what profession is the term used, and who defines who deserves such
a high ranking?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Joe

The term is a Merchant Marine one, that has been around since long before you
or I ever started getting licenses.
I have never done a study as to exactly where and when this term started (maybe
someday) and don't doubt that it was used long before the issuance of licenses
as we now know them.
However, within the time frame of licenses, this term has been used to describe
those with unlimited licenses, be they sail or power (some say the reqirement
is both) who have sailed in that position on a vessel requiring that license.
This is a Merchant Marine industry standard which you should be aware is not
based on some governing body or formal organization's input. Instead it comes
from those license holders in the past and possibly some societies/groups
consisting of licensed individuals within the industry.
If you look at some of the older USMM licenses issued by the CG, you'll note
that they did not use the present form headlining the term Master. Many of the
limited license were listed as "Operator".

Capt.

You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term".

Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ?

And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators "
licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my Masters.


And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is.

I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to get
a masters degree at the USMM academy.


Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do not
understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use.

Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that
conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls himself
Capt.

But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM / USCG
sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals legally
found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task.

Joe