In article ,
katysails wrote:

[huge snip]

No. I want us to follow the rule of law and respect the majority view.

Ah, but what about those minority rights? You seem to have forgotten about
them quite conveniently.

Since Jon wants people to follow the rule of law and respect the
majority view, Jon supports capital punishment.

PDW

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article
,
katysails wrote:

[huge snip]

No. I want us to follow the rule of law and respect the majority
view.

Ah, but what about those minority rights? You seem to have
forgotten about
them quite conveniently.

Since Jon wants people to follow the rule of law and respect the
majority view, Jon supports capital punishment.

And President Bush !

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
Since Jon wants people to follow the rule of law and respect the
majority view, Jon supports capital punishment.

And President Bush !

Are you advocating violence? I hope not.




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Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Peter Wiley wrote:
In article ,
katysails wrote:

[huge snip]

No. I want us to follow the rule of law and respect the majority view.

Ah, but what about those minority rights? You seem to have forgotten about
them quite conveniently.

Since Jon wants people to follow the rule of law and respect the
majority view, Jon supports capital punishment.

I used to, but now I don't. I think it's much more cruel to force
someone to live in a tiny cell for the rest of their life.



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

In article ,
Peter Wiley wrote:
In article ,
katysails wrote:

[huge snip]

No. I want us to follow the rule of law and respect the majority view.

Ah, but what about those minority rights? You seem to have forgotten
about
them quite conveniently.

Since Jon wants people to follow the rule of law and respect the
majority view, Jon supports capital punishment.

I used to, but now I don't. I think it's much more cruel to force
someone to live in a tiny cell for the rest of their life.

Actually I agree with you but the risk is that someone will let them
out again. Aren't you guys about to repeal the 'three strikes' law? I
know it's resulted in jailing a lot of people who are plain stupid
rather than dangerous but the idea, applied to people who commit crimes
of violence, has a lot of merit IMO. I recall seeing stats somewhere
(and we all know what they say about stats...) indicating the majority
of crime was committed by the same small group of the population.

PDW

In article ,
Peter Wiley wrote:
Actually I agree with you but the risk is that someone will let them
out again. Aren't you guys about to repeal the 'three strikes' law? I
know it's resulted in jailing a lot of people who are plain stupid
rather than dangerous but the idea, applied to people who commit crimes
of violence, has a lot of merit IMO. I recall seeing stats somewhere
(and we all know what they say about stats...) indicating the majority
of crime was committed by the same small group of the population.

The risk is minimal. Do you really expect anyone to let a serial
killer out... ooops... well, let's not use that example. g But,
mostly, life in prison without the possibility of parole, means
exactly that. Also, if for example, DNA evidence turns up that
exonerates someone, you don't have to dig them up.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

In article ,
Peter Wiley wrote:
Actually I agree with you but the risk is that someone will let them
out again. Aren't you guys about to repeal the 'three strikes' law? I
know it's resulted in jailing a lot of people who are plain stupid
rather than dangerous but the idea, applied to people who commit crimes
of violence, has a lot of merit IMO. I recall seeing stats somewhere
(and we all know what they say about stats...) indicating the majority
of crime was committed by the same small group of the population.

The risk is minimal. Do you really expect anyone to let a serial
killer out... ooops... well, let's not use that example. g But,
mostly, life in prison without the possibility of parole, means
exactly that. Also, if for example, DNA evidence turns up that
exonerates someone, you don't have to dig them up.

Yeah as I said I agree with you. And given the sloppy evidence used to
convict people I'd be real hesitant about capital punishment. As you
say DNA evidence has shown that certain people couldn't have commited
the crimes they were convicted of. Makes me wonder about the others too
- be interesting to look at the % proven wrong.

PDW

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

Actually I agree with you but the risk is that someone will let them
out again. Aren't you guys about to repeal the 'three strikes' law? I
know it's resulted in jailing a lot of people who are plain stupid
rather than dangerous but the idea, applied to people who commit crimes
of violence, has a lot of merit IMO. I recall seeing stats somewhere
(and we all know what they say about stats...) indicating the majority
of crime was committed by the same small group of the population.

PDW

In most states judges have some discretion sentencing defendants, which is a
good thing, after all, they are judges. We have a case here in Michigan
where a confessed serial killer is due to be released from a Texas jail-a
long convoluted story-and he has vowed to come back to these parts and do
some more killing. The authorities in these parts are scrambling to build
cases against him in Michigan, where if he goes to jail he'll never see the
light of day as a free man. The ironic thing is that Texas is a death
penalty state, has been for a while, this criminal's story is a good example
of the unfairness of capital punishment, if there ever was a good candidate
for killing, this is the guy, but he never got the death penalty.

http://www.detnews.com/2002/metro/02...a01-563796.htm

John Cairns

Maybe the same thing will happen to him as what happened to Heffry
Dommer....

"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com...

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

Actually I agree with you but the risk is that someone will let them
out again. Aren't you guys about to repeal the 'three strikes' law? I
know it's resulted in jailing a lot of people who are plain stupid
rather than dangerous but the idea, applied to people who commit crimes
of violence, has a lot of merit IMO. I recall seeing stats somewhere
(and we all know what they say about stats...) indicating the majority
of crime was committed by the same small group of the population.

PDW

In most states judges have some discretion sentencing defendants, which is
a good thing, after all, they are judges. We have a case here in Michigan
where a confessed serial killer is due to be released from a Texas jail-a
long convoluted story-and he has vowed to come back to these parts and do
some more killing. The authorities in these parts are scrambling to build
cases against him in Michigan, where if he goes to jail he'll never see
the light of day as a free man. The ironic thing is that Texas is a death
penalty state, has been for a while, this criminal's story is a good
example of the unfairness of capital punishment, if there ever was a good
candidate for killing, this is the guy, but he never got the death
penalty.

http://www.detnews.com/2002/metro/02...a01-563796.htm

John Cairns

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Maybe the same thing will happen to him as what happened to Heffry
Dommer....


One can only hope.................hasn't happened yet, though he's been in
prison for a long time.
John Cairns
"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com...

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

Actually I agree with you but the risk is that someone will let them
out again. Aren't you guys about to repeal the 'three strikes' law? I
know it's resulted in jailing a lot of people who are plain stupid
rather than dangerous but the idea, applied to people who commit crimes
of violence, has a lot of merit IMO. I recall seeing stats somewhere
(and we all know what they say about stats...) indicating the majority
of crime was committed by the same small group of the population.

PDW

In most states judges have some discretion sentencing defendants, which
is a good thing, after all, they are judges. We have a case here in
Michigan where a confessed serial killer is due to be released from a
Texas jail-a long convoluted story-and he has vowed to come back to these
parts and do some more killing. The authorities in these parts are
scrambling to build cases against him in Michigan, where if he goes to
jail he'll never see the light of day as a free man. The ironic thing is
that Texas is a death penalty state, has been for a while, this
criminal's story is a good example of the unfairness of capital
punishment, if there ever was a good candidate for killing, this is the
guy, but he never got the death penalty.

http://www.detnews.com/2002/metro/02...a01-563796.htm

John Cairns