Jon,

I gave an example of how I am being ripped off. Now let me give an
example of "Life in the Good Ole US of A" I just had my Flu Shot
Thursday, at my doctor's office, free of charge because of my age and
the drugs I take, which are immune suppressants including Mestinon. Your
government has given us top priority. That government Admin. by
G.W.Bush.

Ole Thom

In article ,
Thom Stewart wrote:
Jon,

I gave an example of how I am being ripped off. Now let me give an
example of "Life in the Good Ole US of A" I just had my Flu Shot
Thursday, at my doctor's office, free of charge because of my age and
the drugs I take, which are immune suppressants including Mestinon. Your
government has given us top priority. That government Admin. by
G.W.Bush.

Nice example. Glad you got your shot. Unfortunately, there are lots of
people in your situation that may not be able to get one free or
otherwise. Bush failed to think ahead (nothing new), and as a result,
some seniors have to wait in long lines. One woman died in line.

We spend something like 15% of GDP on healthcare in the US, but we
don't cover 41 million. Bush's "plan" would decrease that number by
about 2.5 million. Kerry's plan would decrease that number by about 27
million (not enough, but good progress). While Kerry's plan isn't
cheap, it would cover ALL children. I think that's the least we can do
for our citizens.





--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

that's my point. Is there anybody who deserves it more than Crazy
Charlie? It's costing us $$$ to keep him alive. He shoulda been
injected, then hung , shot and burned.

Scotty

"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Why didn't they hang Charlie Manson?

Big difference, Charlie's never going to leave jail alive. AFAIK, he
did
receive the death penalty, the Supreme Court declared the death
penalty
unconstitutional, threw out the penalty. BTW, he would have gotten
the
chair, IIRC.
John Cairns

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
that's my point. Is there anybody who deserves it more than Crazy
Charlie? It's costing us $$$ to keep him alive. He shoulda been
injected, then hung , shot and burned.

I have no sympathy at all for Charlie. However, I don't support his
execution. Although, I have to say that in his case, he seems to be
enjoying his stay behind bars.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Thom, how often must you take a tablet?

Scotty

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Katie,

I, have a very different Mind set, having Myasthania Gravis. We
have
to take a drug called Mestinon. What I have to pay for a Hundred
tablets
($100.00) can be purchased overseas for ($8.00

When the Gov. held hearing and decided US drug manufactures were
over
charging and put a ceiling on the profiteering, the Drug companies
licensed companies outside the US to manufacture the drug. It is no
longer manufacture in this country.

We pay &100 and my web friend in Spain pays $8. Made by the same
company.

I know this isn't the Flu Vaccine and I'm sorry to be venting but it
is
kind of related

Ole Thom

NY is among safest cities on the world..

Yea, in parts of Manhattan. Anyplace else it's a hell hole.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

correction; ''rat infested hell hole''.


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
NY is among safest cities on the world..

Yea, in parts of Manhattan. Anyplace else it's a hell hole.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 29 Oct 2004 10:19:36 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

One of the problems with this debate is the absolute certainty on the part
of each side that no other position is morally defensible. As I've suggested
before, when there is such a gulf in beliefs, the best course is for the law
to stay out of the decision process, leaving such matters to other controls
such as individual conscience, the socialization process and religious
beliefs. People have come to ignore these non-legal restraints and insist
that their own views in such matters must in all cases be enforced by the
power of the state. Society is the poorer for it.

I would agree except that the states have a poor history of doing what
you suggest. Therefore, Federal action is required.

Again I ask, Jon--you think the State legislators will ignore their
constituents if, as you say, and vast majority favor your position? I don't
think so. And if they do, the remedy is to replace them.

Could it be that you have doubts about whether that vast majority is such a
vast majority?

More fundamentally, I think it's short-sighted, and a serious mistake, to
base Constitutional principle solely on whether it yields your desired
result in a particular case.

So, you would advocate the repeal of all civil rights legislation that
has taken place at the Federal level in favor of the legislation being
put to the individual states? Talk about short-sighted!!

From your last paragraph, should we infer that the Bill of Rights
should also be eliminated, since it was designed to specifically
address a desired result?

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

You pay $100 per prescription..What is your net worth (assets value)? Your
friend in Spain pays $8.00 per prescription. Do you really think his asset
value is the same as yours? (or is he one of the markedly few in Europe who
have as high a standard of living as we do?) Would you like to trade and
pay what they pay for fuel...even though we've seen increases, so have they,
and on a scale much greater than we...
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Katie,

I, have a very different Mind set, having Myasthania Gravis. We have
to take a drug called Mestinon. What I have to pay for a Hundred tablets
($100.00) can be purchased overseas for ($8.00

When the Gov. held hearing and decided US drug manufactures were over
charging and put a ceiling on the profiteering, the Drug companies
licensed companies outside the US to manufacture the drug. It is no
longer manufacture in this country.

We pay &100 and my web friend in Spain pays $8. Made by the same
company.

I know this isn't the Flu Vaccine and I'm sorry to be venting but it is
kind of related

Ole Thom

Get off it and go read the CDC reports for the last two weeks....vaccine ahs
been made avaialbe...in the millions of doses and has been allocated for
those who trult NEED it....both of our facilities have been immunized, as
have all the toher geriatric facilities in this area...and the county has
been offering vaccine at the local clinics as long as you fit the parameters
of NEED...problem is, many people think they NEED it when they do not....
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Thom Stewart wrote:
Jon,

I gave an example of how I am being ripped off. Now let me give an
example of "Life in the Good Ole US of A" I just had my Flu Shot
Thursday, at my doctor's office, free of charge because of my age and
the drugs I take, which are immune suppressants including Mestinon. Your
government has given us top priority. That government Admin. by
G.W.Bush.

Nice example. Glad you got your shot. Unfortunately, there are lots of
people in your situation that may not be able to get one free or
otherwise. Bush failed to think ahead (nothing new), and as a result,
some seniors have to wait in long lines. One woman died in line.

We spend something like 15% of GDP on healthcare in the US, but we
don't cover 41 million. Bush's "plan" would decrease that number by
about 2.5 million. Kerry's plan would decrease that number by about 27
million (not enough, but good progress). While Kerry's plan isn't
cheap, it would cover ALL children. I think that's the least we can do
for our citizens.





--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."