And what kind of boat is that, Jaxie? RB claimed it was an Irwin, but I don't
think you'd have anything that nice.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
You're just insanely jealous that I have a boat that's faster, bigger, and
better made than anything you'll ever own.

I now own, and have owned for well more than a decade, a boat longer and more
seaworthy than yours. It is narrower, though, for I am not afraid my boat
might tip over if I sail out near the edge of the Earth.

bject: DR practice
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 14:05 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

shen, nobody who knows what the terms mean uses them incorrectly. if you did
use them around people who know what they mean, they would correct you at
least
by the third time you misused them. Drunken talk in a neighborhood bar
doesn't
count as "using them all the time".

Sometimes I'm using piloting and others I'm using
pilotage .

*you*, shen, don't use either one, ever. go crawl back in your hole.



Actually I use both, even by your definitions, all the time, which is one
reason I'm not hung up on some limited usage of the terms.

ZING! Went right over your head, didn't it.

Shen

shen, my use of the terms matches the informed use, and has for several
decades.

Gee, I guess all the pilots of the world need to update their definition
base
to conform to yours

nah, they long ago knew the meaning of the terms.


Shen



BG I'm glad you finally realize that.
Now we just need to correct your erroneous interpretations and you can start
learning.

Shen

Right jaxie, how far "offshore" did you get in the 48 hours between your
posts?

not far, an over nighter.

Quartering seas are no problem at all for most cats,

really? a sea that hits first one hull and shortly after the other hull is "no
problem at all for most cats"? mono's sure as hell don't move around like that
and the seas we saw were light.

has a very weak stomach indeed

I wasn't talking seasickness. I was talking about the yawing of the craft as
quartering seas passed.

Beam seas
are the worst, because they will raise one hull and dip the other.

maybe for seasickness. but cats don't want to track straight in quartering
seas. can't use the autopilot because of it.

cats will have a "herky-jerky" motion compared to a heavy monohull, but after
a
while you don't notice it at all.

like the heat in Arizona? I suppose.

we've yet to encounter a situation that we think would
be handled better by a monohull.

try quartering seas.

I suppose if you don't know how to use a twin engine docking can be
difficult,
but most cats are far easier to dock than monohulls.

in 20 knot cross winds? the long term _owner_ of the boat couldn't do it, and
we had help from five people on the fuel dock to get away.

You must have very little
experience docking if this was a problem for you.

it wasn't me trying to dock the boat, it was the long term owner, who btw
showed himself to be a fine sailor at sea. He didn't seem to lack any
experience or judgement.

And what kind of boat is that, Jaxie? RB claimed it was an Irwin, but I
don't
think you'd have anything that nice.


a boat that when I sailed it offshore in 25 knots and 4 to 6 foot seas I did
not feel was unduely stressed.

Subject: DR practice
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 15:56 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

shen, my use of the terms matches the informed use, and has for several
decades.

Zing. Informed what? Novice sailors?

Shen

Gee, I guess all the pilots of the world need to update their definition
base
to conform to yours

nah, they long ago knew the meaning of the terms.


Shen



BG I'm glad you finally realize that.
Now we just need to correct your erroneous interpretations and you can start
learning.

Shen

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
And what kind of boat is that, Jaxie? RB claimed it was an Irwin, but I
don't
think you'd have anything that nice.


a boat that when I sailed it offshore in 25 knots and 4 to 6 foot seas I did
not feel was unduely stressed.

Why would anyone feel unduly stressed in those conditions? You must have a
very low tolerance. But then, you were so stressed by a calm on Long Island
Sound that you called the Coast Guard for help.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Quartering seas are no problem at all for most cats,

really? a sea that hits first one hull and shortly after the other hull is
"no
problem at all for most cats"? mono's sure as hell don't move around like
that
and the seas we saw were light.

If you had a problem, you don't know how to steer a boat. Properly handled, a
cat can be rock stead in a quartering sea.

Of course, you don't even know what type of cat it was.


has a very weak stomach indeed

I wasn't talking seasickness. I was talking about the yawing of the craft as
quartering seas passed.

Yaw? You had yaw problems? In a 4 foot sea? I'll admit my cat yaws a bit
sliding down 10 foot following seas at 13 knots. If you had yaw problems you
definitely don't know how to steer a boat!



Beam seas
are the worst, because they will raise one hull and dip the other.

maybe for seasickness. but cats don't want to track straight in quartering
seas. can't use the autopilot because of it.

In a 4 foot sea? You don't know how to use an autopilot! What type was it?
What was the boat?



cats will have a "herky-jerky" motion compared to a heavy monohull, but after
a
while you don't notice it at all.

like the heat in Arizona? I suppose.

we've yet to encounter a situation that we think would
be handled better by a monohull.

try quartering seas.

I've done it many times. I have put about 10,000 miles on my cat, more than
half in the open water. You took one trip (so you claim) in a boat where you
don't know that type it was.




I suppose if you don't know how to use a twin engine docking can be
difficult,
but most cats are far easier to dock than monohulls.

in 20 knot cross winds? the long term _owner_ of the boat couldn't do it, and
we had help from five people on the fuel dock to get away.

What? Then you had a boat full of incompetant fools! Getting into a tight
face dock can be a pain without help, but getting off a dock, even pinned by a
strong wind, is no problem with twin engines. Maybe you don't know about
spring lines.



You must have very little
experience docking if this was a problem for you.

it wasn't me trying to dock the boat, it was the long term owner, who btw
showed himself to be a fine sailor at sea. He didn't seem to lack any
experience or judgement.

Except he couldn't get off the dock and he couldn't handle a quartering sea.
And you don't know what type of boat it was. Sounds like another one of your
bull**** stories, jaxie.

a boat that when I sailed it offshore in 25 knots and 4 to 6 foot seas I
did
not feel was unduely stressed.

Why would anyone feel unduly stressed in those conditions?

if they were in a catamaran, maybe?