Subject: DR practice
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 05:46 Pacific Standard Time
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Sometimes I'm using piloting and others I'm using
pilotage .

*you*, shen, don't use either one, ever. go crawl back in your hole.



Actually I use both, even by your definitions, all the time, which is one
reason I'm not hung up on some limited usage of the terms.

Shen

Subject: DR practice
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 05:54 Pacific Standard Time
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No difference at all. Sometimes I'm using piloting and others I'm using
pilotage .... them's the same ting.

Shen

here ya go, shen. be enlightened.

pilotage

\Pi"lot*age\, n. [Cf. F. pilotage.] 1. The pilot's skill or knowledge, as of
coasts, rocks, bars, and channels

tr.v. pi·lot·ed, pi·lot·ing, pi·lots

1. To serve as the pilot of.
2. To steer or control the course of.

"piloting" means control of, steering if you will.

"pilotage" means navigation by landmarks.


Gee, I guess all the pilots of the world need to update their definition base
to conform to yours........... nah.

Shen

Subject: DR practice
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 07:59 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

sounds like jeffies be miffed that I repeated the thought that catamarans are
the fake tits of the sailing world. All hard edges and sharp corner, overly
large for the sake of being overly large, without additional function but
with
reduced sensitivity.

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 8/8/2004 10:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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Google? I just pull a copy of Bowditch off the rack. (You didn't notice I
used
the '62 edition, not the online 2002 edition.) You're the one who cites
his
online Webster every other post.


Sounds like Jaxass doesn't know what "Bowditch" is.

Shen

You're just insanely jealous that I have a boat that's faster, bigger, and
better made than anything you'll ever own.

Its also pretty clear you've never sailed on a cat, or you'd realize that
they're a lot more seaworthy than you think.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
sounds like jeffies be miffed that I repeated the thought that catamarans are
the fake tits of the sailing world. All hard edges and sharp corner, overly
large for the sake of being overly large, without additional function but with
reduced sensitivity.

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 8/8/2004 10:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Google? I just pull a copy of Bowditch off the rack. (You didn't notice I
used
the '62 edition, not the online 2002 edition.) You're the one who cites his
online Webster every other post.

Speaking of piloting, have you figured out yet which light you were looking
for
at Hatteras when you wanted to turn back? Three GPS's and a clear night, and
you couldn't find your way! And you still can't tell us where you were?
What
a Putz!




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, "piloting" means the steering of the craft, while "pilotage" means
the
navigation of the craft by use of landmarks.

google to your heart's content but that is the reality of the situation, IF
*you* were to ever in your lifetime talk to someone who has done both.

jeffies? are you trying again to prove to the world how limited you are in
native candle power?

Only a landlubber would use a "dictionary" definition for a nautical term.
It
figures that all of jaxie's nautical knowlege is from Webster's.

The rest of us, however, use a proper reference, such as Bowditch.

From the 1962 edition:
"Piloting (or pilotage) is navigation involving frequent or continuous
determination of position or a line of position relative to geographic
points, to a high order of accuracy. It is practiced in the vicinity of
land, dangers, aids to navigation, etc. and requires good judgment and
almost constant attention and alertness on the part of the navigator."





"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
No difference at all. Sometimes I'm using piloting and others I'm using
pilotage .... them's the same ting.

Shen

here ya go, shen. be enlightened.

pilotage

\Pi"lot*age\, n. [Cf. F. pilotage.] 1. The pilot's skill or knowledge,
as
of
coasts, rocks, bars, and channels

tr.v. pi·lot·ed, pi·lot·ing, pi·lots

1. To serve as the pilot of.
2. To steer or control the course of.

"piloting" means control of, steering if you will.

"pilotage" means navigation by landmarks.

shen, nobody who knows what the terms mean uses them incorrectly. if you did
use them around people who know what they mean, they would correct you at least
by the third time you misused them. Drunken talk in a neighborhood bar doesn't
count as "using them all the time".

Sometimes I'm using piloting and others I'm using
pilotage .

*you*, shen, don't use either one, ever. go crawl back in your hole.



Actually I use both, even by your definitions, all the time, which is one
reason I'm not hung up on some limited usage of the terms.

Shen

Gee, I guess all the pilots of the world need to update their definition base
to conform to yours

nah, they long ago knew the meaning of the terms.


Shen

You're just insanely jealous that I have a boat that's faster, bigger, and
better made than anything you'll ever own.

I now own, and have owned for well more than a decade, a boat longer and more
seaworthy than yours. It is narrower, though, for I am not afraid my boat
might tip over if I sail out near the edge of the Earth.

Its also pretty clear you've never sailed on a cat, or you'd realize that
they're a lot more seaworthy than you think.

I sailed one offshore last weekend. catamarans don't like quartering seas.
lots of space, though. hard to dock in a cross wind. a bit jerky of motion in
cross seas.

Subject: DR practice
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 14:06 Pacific Standard Time
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Gee, I guess all the pilots of the world need to update their definition
base
to conform to yours

nah, they long ago knew the meaning of the terms.


Shen



BG I'm glad you finally realize that.
Now we just need to correct your erroneous interpretations and you can start
learning.

Shen

Right jaxie, how far "offshore" did you get in the 48 hours between your posts?
And what kind of cat was it?

Quartering seas are no problem at all for most cats, anyone who makes that claim
probably never has been on one, or has a very weak stomach indeed. Beam seas
are the worst, because they will raise one hull and dip the other. Certainly
cats will have a "herky-jerky" motion compared to a heavy monohull, but after a
while you don't notice it at all. I won't claim that all conditions are handled
perfectly by a cat, but we've yet to encounter a situation that we think would
be handled better by a monohull.

I suppose if you don't know how to use a twin engine docking can be difficult,
but most cats are far easier to dock than monohulls. You must have very little
experience docking if this was a problem for you.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Its also pretty clear you've never sailed on a cat, or you'd realize that
they're a lot more seaworthy than you think.

I sailed one offshore last weekend. catamarans don't like quartering seas.
lots of space, though. hard to dock in a cross wind. a bit jerky of motion
in
cross seas.