Subject: DR practice
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/07/2004 14:22 Pacific Standard Time
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pilotAGE, not pilotING. there is a difference, dood.

What I described is NOT piloting,


ROFL Maybe you'd best say what you're talking about then since you're soo hung
up on these definitions.
Obviously you aren't discussing my pay scale........ then again......

Shen

ubject: DR practice
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/07/2004 14:24 Pacific Standard Time
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dood, if you are taking fixes on marker buoys, bottom depth, sounds from
shore,
smells from onshore restaurants, THEN you are usaging pilotAGE, **not**
deduced
reckoning.

this is easy stuff, shen. pay attention.

A fix using marker buoys, it piloting.
Using soundings, sounds from shore or smells from onshore restaurants is part
of DR, as they don't give you a fix, they just aid in narrowing the error in
your DR.
Course, there are times when you can use soundings to get a fix, but as per
usual, that's beyond your understanding.

Your right, this is easy stuff, but obviously beyond your knowledge and
understanding as you're still trying to comprehend the various terms.

Shen

Subject: DR practice
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/07/2004 14:28 Pacific Standard Time
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now, listen up, shen, one more fricken time. **IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE
TO
KNOW WHERE YOU ARE MOVING TO/FROM RELATIVE TO THE WATER AROUND YOU WITHOUT
**OUTSIDE** REFERENCES.

that is a fact of physics, shen. if you personally have so far been lucky to
have not crashed into anything when you were drunkenly, blindly wandering
around in a fog in a rocky channel, that means only that you were lucky.
That
time. you didn't know where you were even if you thought you did. you just
got lucky, that is all.

it is a physics thing, shen. you know, those damned laws of physics as voted
on by corrupt politicians.


FOFLMAO Try to relax, jaxass. I fully agree that "you" should never attempt to
move in any kind of reduced visibility, even with 3-4 DGPS's as you'd probably
run into the same problem as you did rounding Hatteras on a clear night.

Shen

jeffies, you are an idiot. please be quiet.

Hey jaxie, its also physically impossible to know absolutely where you are
even
with outside references. Its all a matter of how much uncertainty you're
willing to accept.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
now, listen up, shen, one more fricken time. **IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE
TO
KNOW WHERE YOU ARE MOVING TO/FROM RELATIVE TO THE WATER AROUND YOU WITHOUT
**OUTSIDE** REFERENCES.

that is a fact of physics, shen. if you personally have so far been lucky
to
have not crashed into anything when you were drunkenly, blindly wandering
around in a fog in a rocky channel, that means only that you were lucky.
That
time. you didn't know where you were even if you thought you did. you
just
got lucky, that is all.

it is a physics thing, shen. you know, those damned laws of physics as
voted
on by corrupt politicians.


it
only involves speed,time, and heading,

shen, that *IS* the definition of ded reckoning. what you describe
"improved"
DR is in fact pilotage, a whole different breed of cat.



No jaxass. That is YOUR limited definition of DR.
What I described is NOT piloting, as piloting involves fixes.
In truth, the two can be and frequently are, used in conjunction, but
that's
beyond you -you're still at the "definition" stage.

Shen

shen, nobody pays you anything to DR anything. knock it off.

pilotAGE, not pilotING. there is a difference, dood.

What I described is NOT piloting,


ROFL Maybe you'd best say what you're talking about then since you're soo
hung
up on these definitions.
Obviously you aren't discussing my pay scale........ then again......

Shen

A fix using marker buoys, it piloting.

no it isn't. you are piloting the boat, but using pilotage for navigation.
there is a hell of a difference.

A fix using marker buoys, it piloting.
Using soundings, sounds from shore or smells from onshore restaurants is part
of DR, as they don't give you a fix,

they sure as hell do.

As per usual, your lack of experience and knowledge of the subject is
showing.
You need to learn more than one definition for the same woids.
Pilotage, is the fee paid a pilot for piloting your boat.
Only a rank amateur with nothing but knowledge gained from reading and
none from doing would come up with some of the junk you do. The terms
are interchangeable, and the fact you can't and don't understand that
tells us how little you know.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
A fix using marker buoys, it piloting.


no it isn't. you are piloting the boat, but using pilotage for navigation.
there is a hell of a difference.

shen, nobody pays you anything to DR anything. knock it off.

LOL obviously, you don't know all the definitions for "pilotage"

Shen

Subject: DR practice
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/07/2004 16:08 Pacific Standard Time
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A fix using marker buoys, it piloting.

no it isn't. you are piloting the boat, but using pilotage for navigation.
there is a hell of a difference.


No difference at all. Sometimes I'm using piloting and others I'm using
pilotage .... them's the same ting.
You just don't know better.

Shen