Flying Tadpole wrote:


OzOne wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:45:12 +0930, Flying Tadpole
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OzOne wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:


I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran....

On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are
pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to
stop it tripping over the boards.


And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that
that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those
conditions.

Whhhh oooeeee Baby...now that would take some balls!


I suspect that it would take some balls-up to begin with: it's
for survival conditions, eg in a SydneyHobart weather bomb, and
any sane centreboarder would either have been close to shelter or
heading north I would have thought. This is why i don't see Lady
Kate as a large-ocean-crosser. :^|

Anyway, never having been in survival conditions:

Then again pulling it partially up would work.

It does. This I've done on beats in aprticularly bad chop and

30knot winds on the Murray Lakes (remember, no wave5') to stop tripping and knocking down. But in those conditions, the hard chine to leeward is dug right in (and can be dug harder if the traveller is brought up a bit) so leeway isn't too bad at all.


But the thought of slithering sideways on a breaking wave in a
storm off Wedge Island just doesn't appeal, somehow.


That'll be Jesus talking to you...

Cheers

OzOne wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:44:50 +1200, Nav
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What do tugs do on the Murray Lakes?

Cheers


Tug stuff, what else!

Jeez, I thought you were smart....

You did? What stuff?

Cheers

Locally as in Port of Adelaide, which is only 50nm away. Though
to take your question seriously:
One tug is ex-canefields, and used to push a barge set up as an
artists studio around. Other tugs are used to take punts up to
the dockyard at Morgan for servicing, 'cause the punts' cables
don't quite reach there.

Both the river trade and heavy construction (locks, bridges,
barrages etc) all used paddleboat/barge combinations.

Nav wrote:

What do tugs do on the Murray Lakes?

Cheers

Flying Tadpole wrote:

Gives you fair warning. Locally we had tugs with names like
"Tusker".

FT

Scott Vernon wrote:

There is a stinkpotter named 'Frankly my dear'' in the Balt. area. Stupid
name, eh?

Scotty

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Seahag wrote:

"Flying Tadpole" wrote:

Frank wrote:

#1 - CENTERBOARDS COMPROMISE SEAWORTHINESS
#2 - THE LOWER THE FREEBOARD THE FASTER THE SAILBOAT
#3 - A FAST SAILBOAT CAN NOT ALSO MOTOR FAST
#4 - OCEAN CRUISING SAILBOATS MUST BE LARGER THAN 60 FEET
#5 - KEELED SAILBOATS ARE THE MOST SEAWORTHY OCEAN CRUISERS
#6 WATER BALLAST IS INFERIOR TO OTHER BALLAST
#7 A KEELED SAIL BOAT WILL POINT INTO THE WIND BETTER THAN A CENTER

BOARDER

#8 A TALL RIDGED MAST IS BETTER THAN A SHORT BENDING MAST
#9 MAC26X BOAT OWNERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RACING
#10 MAC26X BOATS ARE SPARTAN
#11 MAC26X BOATS ARE NOT FOR OCEAN PASSAGES

All these myths are scotched here

http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm

Come on alt.sailing.asa'ers, let's discuss!

You mean, let's ALL be Frank?
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Nav wrote:

Flying Tadpole wrote:


Nav wrote:

Flying Tadpole wrote:


OzOne wrote:


On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:



I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran....

On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are
pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to
stop it tripping over the boards.



And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that
that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those
conditions.

God talks to you?


Yes, but not recently.

That'll be because you've not been off shore recently?


That's right. I haven't even made it offshore by Bobsprit's
definition. no, wait! I tell a lie! I drove across to Phillip
Island the other week! That's an offshore island!

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Nav wrote:

Flying Tadpole wrote:


OzOne wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:45:12 +0930, Flying Tadpole
scribbled thusly:



OzOne wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:


I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran....

On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are
pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to
stop it tripping over the boards.


And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that
that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those
conditions.

Whhhh oooeeee Baby...now that would take some balls!


I suspect that it would take some balls-up to begin with: it's
for survival conditions, eg in a SydneyHobart weather bomb, and
any sane centreboarder would either have been close to shelter or
heading north I would have thought. This is why i don't see Lady
Kate as a large-ocean-crosser. :^|

Anyway, never having been in survival conditions:

Then again pulling it partially up would work.

It does. This I've done on beats in aprticularly bad chop and

30knot winds on the Murray Lakes (remember, no wave5') to stop tripping and knocking down. But in those conditions, the hard chine to leeward is dug right in (and can be dug harder if the traveller is brought up a bit) so leeway isn't too bad at all.


But the thought of slithering sideways on a breaking wave in a
storm off Wedge Island just doesn't appeal, somehow.


That'll be Jesus talking to you...


....what would Jesus do...

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Nav wrote:

OzOne wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:45:12 +0930, Flying Tadpole
scribbled thusly:



OzOne wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:


I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran....

On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are
pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to
stop it tripping over the boards.


And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that
that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those
conditions.


Whhhh oooeeee Baby...now that would take some balls!


Then again pulling it partially up would work.



I'd suggest a bolger box design will likely trip over the chine anyway
caught broadside so a little bit of plate down won't make much
difference and certainly help keep some direction...


I'd suggest you're suggesting partly incorrectly. The deep-dug
chine is probably only drawing a couple of feet, bit more, at
most, ie very near surface and in the water (breaking wave) which
is actually moving bodily, so there's not going to be much trip.
The full board OTOH would be drawing ?5 feet or so, with the
potential dire consequences that Oz originally raised, and in
relatively stationary water, so readily trippable. A bit of board
down ends up like the chine, a non-tripper (or not much) because
it's in the surface, moving water. Yes, it'll help the direction
but everything will still slither away from the breaking wave
rather than knock over and break the board.

I have tripped Lady Kate badly, in the early days, but in that
case hit a mudbank with the board fully down and hard on the
wind. No structural damage. Lots of cleanup. I don't plan to do
it again.

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Taddy claimed: Sooo much better than falling of the stern
while contemplating...

For shame...you could at least use a cedar bucket....

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You know Taddy, I really do have a soft spot on my head....
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Flying Tadpole wrote:

Both the river trade and heavy construction (locks, bridges,
barrages etc) all used paddleboat/barge combinations.

Should have added: new heavy constuction, eg the fmed Hindmarsh
Island Bridge, had a baby tug for pushing pontoons etc around.

The dredges at the Murray Mouth (useless devices) are small
self-propelled barge-mounted suction dredges, no tug needed.
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katysails wrote:

Taddy claimed: Sooo much better than falling of the stern
while contemplating...

For shame...you could at least use a cedar bucket....

MY cedar bucket's stainless steel!
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