Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Not one Mac in sight anywhere near Kemah at 1700.

Still we had a nice sail, And I will go ahead and treat my crew to
dinner at the Aquarium and pay Jim's bill.

I knew he was a fake from his first post, but since he claimed to be
a Texas I gave him the benifit of the doubt.

Oh well, It would not of been a challenge anyway.

Joe

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

were the winds above 7 knots? is gasoline more than $3 at the dock? either
could be why jim couldn't show up.

yeah.

Not one Mac in sight anywhere near Kemah at 1700.

Still we had a nice sail, And I will go ahead and treat my crew to
dinner at the Aquarium and pay Jim's bill.

I knew he was a fake from his first post, but since he claimed to be
a Texas I gave him the benifit of the doubt.

Oh well, It would not of been a challenge anyway.

Joe

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Joe wrote:

Not one Mac in sight anywhere near Kemah at 1700.

Still we had a nice sail, And I will go ahead and treat my crew to
dinner at the Aquarium and pay Jim's bill.

I knew he was a fake from his first post, but since he claimed to be
a Texas I gave him the benifit of the doubt.

Oh well, It would not of been a challenge anyway.

Joe

My boat may not be as fast as yours, and I may not be as salty as you,
but I'm not a fake.

I'm curious, Joe. How do you earn a living, get the money to pay dock
fees and maintenance on your boat, and still have all that free time to
spend sailing around the bay, plus the time you spend following this ng?

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

My boat may not be as fast as yours, and I may not be as salty as you,

agreed.

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

oxxy, how come you identify so completely with the mentally ill so as to add
thus to your tag line?

I welcome you to crackerbox

and post

You escaped?

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jim Cate wrote in message ...
Joe wrote:

Not one Mac in sight anywhere near Kemah at 1700.

Still we had a nice sail, And I will go ahead and treat my crew to
dinner at the Aquarium and pay Jim's bill.

I knew he was a fake from his first post, but since he claimed to be
a Texas I gave him the benifit of the doubt.

Oh well, It would not of been a challenge anyway.

Joe

My boat may not be as fast as yours, and I may not be as salty as you,
but I'm not a fake.

I'm curious, Joe. How do you earn a living, get the money to pay dock
fees and maintenance on your boat, and still have all that free time to
spend sailing around the bay, plus the time you spend following this ng?

Jim

Daddy left me 4 oil wells

Joe

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

oxxy gives us an insider's perspective thusly:

I like nutters, they have the ability to make sense of a crazy world.

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Joe wrote:

Jim Cate wrote in message ...

Joe wrote:


Not one Mac in sight anywhere near Kemah at 1700.

Still we had a nice sail, And I will go ahead and treat my crew to
dinner at the Aquarium and pay Jim's bill.

I knew he was a fake from his first post, but since he claimed to be
a Texas I gave him the benifit of the doubt.

Oh well, It would not of been a challenge anyway.

Joe

My boat may not be as fast as yours, and I may not be as salty as you,
but I'm not a fake.

I'm curious, Joe. How do you earn a living, get the money to pay dock
fees and maintenance on your boat, and still have all that free time to
spend sailing around the bay, plus the time you spend following this ng?

Jim


Daddy left me 4 oil wells

Joe

Good for you Joe. But I don't have even one oil well, and I have lots of
deadlines and responsibilities at work and home that take precedence
over sailing. My wife and I did get out today, for an afternoon of sailing.

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jim Cate wrote in message ...
Joe wrote:

Jim Cate wrote in message ...



Good for you Joe. But I don't have even one oil well,


Well you must not have been born a Texan. Were you from?

All real Texans have at least 1 all well partner.

Joe

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Joe wrote:
Not one Mac in sight anywhere near Kemah at 1700.

Still we had a nice sail, And I will go ahead and treat my crew to
dinner at the Aquarium and pay Jim's bill.

I knew he was a fake from his first post, but since he claimed to be
a Texas I gave him the benifit of the doubt.

Oh well, It would not of been a challenge anyway.

Joe

Sure Joe. Of course, I didn't even see your challenge, much less
respond to it. [Is this sort of like Newt Gingrich's "contract with
America"? - The one he put out after walking into the hospital to tell
his wife, dying of cancer, that he wanted a divorce? - He signed the
"contract" with America, but he somehow forgot to get America's
signature on it.]

The facts are that I have lots of deadlines and pending cases to take
care of at work and have only been able to get the boat out one time. -
I'm impressed with its handling, but I'm not at all ready for races to
Redfish Island.

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Not much of a sailor either.

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
Jim Cate wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:

Jim Cate wrote in message
...



Good for you Joe. But I don't have even one oil well,


Well you must not have been born a Texan. Were you from?

All real Texans have at least 1 all well partner.

Joe

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

Good for you Joe. But I don't have even one oil well, and I have lots of
deadlines and responsibilities at work and home that take precedence
over sailing. My wife and I did get out today, for an afternoon of
sailing.


Jim,
Don't defend yourself against lame attacks from Redneck powerboaters like
Joe.


Are you enjoying your new boat? Tell us about it!




Regards


Donal
--

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Donal wrote:
"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

Good for you Joe. But I don't have even one oil well, and I have lots of
deadlines and responsibilities at work and home that take precedence
over sailing. My wife and I did get out today, for an afternoon of

sailing.


Jim,
Don't defend yourself against lame attacks from Redneck powerboaters like
Joe.


Are you enjoying your new boat? Tell us about it!



Regards

Donal
--

Donal,

As I noted above, I have been occupied by a number of issues at work,
and I haven't had much time on the boat yet. - Our two initial trips
were in fairly breezy weather, with chop and whitecaps from the winds
and wakes from power boats going in and out of Galveston Bay. (I
understand that the Kemah area is one of the busiest in the country and
is one of the top three as far as the number of boats docked in the
area.) The Mac 26M handles such conditions quite well, and seems to have
lots of stiffness when under sail.

I haven't had time to become proficient with most of the boat's
features. I do note that, compared with some of the other, larger boats
that I have sailed, the Mac is more complicated and more versatile as
far as choices of controls, options for sailing, motoring, etc. For
example, the boat provides a choice of motoring with or without the
extra 1,100 pounds of water ballast. In light wind conditions, the boat
can be powered at greater speed without the ballast. With the water
ballast, the 50-hp motor can still keep the boat on a plane. Another
option is that the helm can utilize one, or both, or neither (when under
power) of the retractable rudders. The motor can be tilted out of the
water when under sail to reduce drag. Another choice is the depth of
the dagger board, which can be extended for reaching and partially
retracted when on a reach, or running. My Mac has roller furling, and
three choices of reefing in the main, which provides further versatility
for the particular conditions. The main is on a traveler, and the jib
sheet blocks can be adjusted fore and aft for tuning the sails.

Again, I haven't had time to use most of these various features, and I
can't give a comprehensive report on its handling, pointing ability,
etc. Another aspect is that my wife served as crew on our shakedown
cruise this week, and I didn't want to push the boat too much on her
first trip out. All in all, however, it has a nice sweet "feel" under
sail, which is what I'm primarily interested in.

Jim

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jim Cate wrote:
.... Our two initial trips
were in fairly breezy weather, with chop and whitecaps from the winds
and wakes from power boats going in and out of Galveston Bay.

Wow! You went sailing in whitecaps? That means the wind might have been
as much as ten or twelve knots! What a manly sailor dude you are!


... The Mac 26M handles such conditions quite well, and seems to have
lots of stiffness when under sail.

Of course. It's shaped like a box, naturally it's going have a lot of
initial stability.


I haven't had time to become proficient with most of the boat's
features.

What, like all the ropes and stuff?

... All in all, however, it has a nice sweet "feel" under
sail, which is what I'm primarily interested in.

Oh yeah, I bet. Sporty, just like a 505 or an Etchells!

Fresh Breezes (or something)- Doug King

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

DSK wrote:
Jim Cate wrote:

.... Our two initial trips were in fairly breezy weather, with chop
and whitecaps from the winds and wakes from power boats going in and
out of Galveston Bay.


Wow! You went sailing in whitecaps? That means the wind might have been
as much as ten or twelve knots! What a manly sailor dude you are!

More like 20 knots.


... The Mac 26M handles such conditions quite well, and seems to have
lots of stiffness when under sail.


Of course. It's shaped like a box, naturally it's going have a lot of
initial stability.

Just the opposite, actually. It becomes increasingly stiff when heeled.


I haven't had time to become proficient with most of the boat's features.


What, like all the ropes and stuff?

Sure thing. - Lots of ropes and other stuff.


... All in all, however, it has a nice sweet "feel" under
sail, which is what I'm primarily interested in.


Oh yeah, I bet. Sporty, just like a 505 or an Etchells!

Fresh Breezes (or something)- Doug King

Thanks Doug. - And the same to you!

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

More like 20 knots.
Jim

http://www.havencraft.com/n26m.asp

http://www.gatewaysailing.com/newboa...onsPricing.htm

http://www.a1sailboats.com/newboatprint.htm

http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/ma...t-pricing.html

Never thought the mac was much of a SAILBOAT because I noticed fairly early
that none of these hucksters offer something that most 21st century sailors
consider indispensable, WIND instruments. If your boat doesn't have WIND
INSTRUMENTS, how did you determine the wind was blowing 20KTS?

John Cairns

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
My Mac has roller furling, and
three choices of reefing in the main, which provides further versatility
for the particular conditions.
Jim


Little hint, most sailors would use a term like "three reefing points",
"three choices of reefing" will sound particularly lubberly in a
conversation with a sailor, but you could probably run it by the average
powerboater and they won't bat an eye.
John Cairns

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Not true! His reefing points are the good, the bad, and the ugly,
except that on a Mac, he's really only got the last two.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
My Mac has roller furling, and
three choices of reefing in the main, which provides further versatility
for the particular conditions.
Jim


Little hint, most sailors would use a term like "three reefing points",
"three choices of reefing" will sound particularly lubberly in a
conversation with a sailor, but you could probably run it by the average
powerboater and they won't bat an eye.
John Cairns

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Interesting. - Doug said that the wind speed might have been as much as
10-12 knots. Why do you criticize my estimate of the wind speed but not
his, when he wasn't even there?

I was basing my estimate on observations relative to the Beaufort Scale
and past experience, plus the observations of an experienced captain who
was with me at the time, along with weather reports.- This is a new
boat, and I am in the process of equipping it, and it's going to take a
little time. - Also, I don't plan on making any extended ocean passages.

Jim

John Cairns wrote:
"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

More like 20 knots.
Jim


http://www.havencraft.com/n26m.asp

http://www.gatewaysailing.com/newboa...onsPricing.htm

http://www.a1sailboats.com/newboatprint.htm

http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/ma...t-pricing.html

Never thought the mac was much of a SAILBOAT because I noticed fairly early
that none of these hucksters offer something that most 21st century sailors
consider indispensable, WIND instruments. If your boat doesn't have WIND
INSTRUMENTS, how did you determine the wind was blowing 20KTS?

John Cairns

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

how did you determine the wind was blowing 20KTS?

He licked his finger and stuck it up in the air....if the spit blows off,
it's 20 knots....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Also, I don't plan on making any extended ocean passages.

What does that have to do about whether you have instruments or not????

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jim Cate wrote:

Interesting. - Doug said that the wind speed might have been as much as
10-12 knots. Why do you criticize my estimate of the wind speed but not
his, when he wasn't even there?

Because whitecaps usually begin forming around 8 knots and are regular
at 10. If a doofus like you notices them then it might be blowing as
much as twelve, but it still could only have been eight.

If motorboat wakes are bigger than the chop, then the wind wasn't
anywhere near 20.

DSK

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Because whitecaps usually begin forming around 8 knots and are regular
at 10.

Doug, this is not always the case. We had 15-20 knots as conditions built and
it was quite a while before whitecaps developed.
Worse, you know this can be the case. Stop acting like a Scotty Potty for once.
You weren't there so you don't know the conditions. The pic tells only tells us
so much and only in that moment. You're some idiotic weatherman.

RB

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jim, remember...Doug "sails" a Trawler!


RB

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Bobsprit wrote:
Jim, remember...Doug "sails" a Trawler!

And has covered more miles in just the past year than you'll ever travel
by water. Anchored more times than you ever will. Sailed & raced a wide
variety of one designs & keelboats over the past 4 decades, often
bringing home silver.

You've got the edge on me in sock puppets, though.

DSK

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jim, remember...Doug "sails" a Trawler!

And has covered more miles in just the past year than you'll ever travel
by water.

Doug, you're a lot older than me and have been sailing longer.
BUT. You're STILL an asshole who sails a trawler and you talk a lot of ****. I
know your type, Doug. Like Scotty Potty, you're a bitter creep. Enjoy the
trawler!

Bwahahahaha. Aint it the truth??!!!

RB

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

You've got the edge on me in sock puppets, though.


Correct. I'll never end up in a trawler. I like sailing too much.

RB

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Bobsprit wrote:

... I'll never end up in a trawler.

Because you can't afford one, and nobody would invite you.

Anyway, since you're too stupid to get this point I'll remind you one
more time... I still have two sailboats, still sail often, still
occasionally have front row seats in races. You claim to sail a lot but
onviously know little and you avoid racing because you know you'd get
dusted.


... I like sailing too much.

Then why don't you actually go sailing? So far you seem to spend all
your time auctioning junk on E-Bay and playing with your sock puppets.

It's been said before... Bubbles, you're nuts!

DSK

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Bobsprit wrote:

... I'll never end up in a trawler.

Because you can't afford one, and nobody would invite you.


Trawlers are expensive, Doug? Are they more expensive than my next boat? I
doubt it!

RB

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Anyway, since you're too stupid to get this point I'll remind you one
more time... I still have two sailboats

Do you cruise them?

RB

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

You claim to sail a lot but
onviously know little and you avoid racing because you know you'd get
dusted.

Claim? I post pics of my sailing every week. Only bitter old fools like you are
upset by them! I spent the last three days sailing and will sail again today on
a Sea Pearl.
Enjoy your trawler, Doug!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Then why don't you actually go sailing? So far you seem to spend all
your time auctioning junk on E-Bay and playing with your sock puppets.

Doug, the fact that you think I operate under different identities here only
outlines what a dumbass you are!
NEVER have I used a sockpuppet. Neal, Gilligan and a few others have...I think
Gilligan does several.

RB

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

John Cairns wrote:
"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

More like 20 knots.
Jim


http://www.havencraft.com/n26m.asp

http://www.gatewaysailing.com/newboa...onsPricing.htm

http://www.a1sailboats.com/newboatprint.htm

http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/ma...t-pricing.html

Never thought the mac was much of a SAILBOAT because I noticed fairly early
that none of these hucksters offer something that most 21st century sailors
consider indispensable, WIND instruments. If your boat doesn't have WIND
INSTRUMENTS, how did you determine the wind was blowing 20KTS?

John Cairns

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


Considering your comments about the Mac 26 dealers, I have chartered and
observed a number of sailboats of various types, makes, and sizes over
the past 25 years. From my experience and observations, few boats of
similar size, and few under 28-feet or so, have anemometers. - Would
your observations regarding the Mac 26 apply equally to owners of Cats,
O'Days, etc., in the under 28-foot category who also don't have
anemometers? Do your observations regarding anmometers suggest that
these boats aren't real SAILBOATS, and that their owners are not real
SAILORS? Or is this just a Mac-bashing thing?

Also, how did you arrive at the conclusion that the Mac dealers you
listed are "hucksters?" - I'm sure some are, and I'm sure some of them
exaggerate the capabilities of the Mac to their customers (as do some
dealers selling other boats), but running a Mac dealership doesn't seem
like the best "get rich scheme" to me. - It involves selling new boats
for around $27K equipped with motor and trailer; outfitting the boats;
providing instructions and demos, handling the gripes, questions, etc.-
It just doesn't cut it as an easy rip-off. My own experience is that one
can get anything installed that he wants to pay for.

Incidentally, I do have a hand-held anemometer but wasn't using it on
the occasion mentioned. By way of perspective, my boat was delivered and
(partially) outfitted a few weeks ago, and because of a number of other
obligations, I have only been able to take it out two times. Not an
excuse, but it's where I'm at.

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"DSK" wrote ...
Jim, remember...Doug "sails" a Trawler!

as do a lot of 'older' sailors.


And has covered more miles in just the past year than you'll ever travel
by water.

You only went 30 miles?


SV

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Also, how did you arrive at the conclusion that the Mac dealers you
listed are "hucksters?" - I'm sure some are, and I'm sure some of them
exaggerate the capabilities of the Mac to their customers (as do some
dealers selling other boats), but running a Mac dealership doesn't seem
like the best "get rich scheme" to me. - It involves selling new boats
for around $27K equipped with motor and trailer; outfitting the boats;
providing instructions and demos, handling the gripes, questions, etc.-
It just doesn't cut it as an easy rip-off. My own experience is that one
can get anything installed that he wants to pay for.
Jim

Jim, if you had done any research at all you would have figured out that you
could "run a mac dealership" out of your garage. No one said it was "an easy
rip-off" though in some cases, based on the amount of optional equipment I
see on these used boats offered for sale at places like yachtworld, it
probably is. Dealers don't have to make exaggerated claims about the macs'
capabilities, the builder already does a nice job all by their lonesome. And
no, the average dealer probably won't get rich, but if they're a halfway
decent salesman (after all, after researching thee question, someone is
actually considering purchasing) you could probably make a decent income
selling these things.Change the word in your post from "mac" to "Yugo"
"boat" to "car", delete a few lines and you might get my point. Most car
dealers would salivate over the prospect of a buyer coming into their store
pre-sold AND with an eye to loading up their purchase with every available
option and then some, based on a quick perusal of the yachtworld ads, most
mac buyers do exactly this.
John Cairns

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"John Cairns" wrote

Jim, if you had done any research at all you would have figured out that
you
could "run a mac dealership" out of your garage.

When I first heard of the Macs, and was interested, I stopped at the dealer
near Breezewood PA. It was a guys house, who then drove to his barn where he
had one boat inside. it didn't look so ugly in the unlit barn.

--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jim, remember...Doug "sails" a Trawler!

as do a lot of 'older' sailors.

My buddy is 61 and sails his Bristol 27 across the Atlantic every few years.
There's a 89 year old fellow at my club who sails a Rhodes 19 several days per
week. I just sold a CD 25 belong to a 74 year old doctor. He moved up to a
Pearson 33.
Sailors sail. I guess you're getting ready to dump that sailboat, eh, Scotty
Potty?


RB

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

it didn't look so ugly in the unlit barn.

So tempting...but I'll let poor Scotty Potti off this time.

RB

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"Bobsprit" wrote

My buddy is 61 and sails his Bristol 27 across the Atlantic every few
years.
There's a 89 year old fellow at my club who sails a Rhodes 19 several days
per
week. I just sold a CD 25 belong to a 74 year old doctor.

There you have it folks......this makes bob**** a real sailor.

SV

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Jim, remember...Doug "sails" a Trawler!

as do a lot of 'older' sailors.

My buddy is 61 and sails his Bristol 27 across the Atlantic every few
years.

RB

So what's your excuse? How many times have you sailed across the Atlantic?
Hell, I'll make it easier. How many times have you been offshore?
John Cairns