Sail pic
 

Bobsprit wrote:
...But Loco and Scotty and Doug simply insisted that using thimbles and
shackles (as done here) is NEVER practiced.


I never said anything of the kind. All I said is that I've never seen it
or heard of it.


Holy backpedal, Batman!!!!

http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&l...0 0%26hl%3Den

http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&l...0 0%26hl%3Den

The whole truth and nuthin' but the truth. No backpedal. But go ahead
and say that 1- everybody knows you're full of **** and 2- it'll help
you feel like you're "winning."

DSK

Sail pic
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
yes , I do. Immensly. So does Lisa.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/447701.JPG

critique away.........



Nice looking day for a sail, nice clean decks. You should flake or
coil your lines. Sail looks to be set just fine for the conditions. By
the looks of your flag seems it blowing a bit. Looks Ok to me.

Where are you sailing?

Did you leave Plowsville?

When were the pictures taken?

Joe

Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA


"John Cairns" wrote

one would also get the impression that Scotty enjoys his boat

Sail pic
 

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
yes , I do. Immensly. So does Lisa.

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critique away.........



Nice looking day for a sail,

it was. good strong wind all day.

nice clean decks. You should flake or
coil your lines.

I know, but I'm lazy.

Sail looks to be set just fine for the conditions.

It was.

By
the looks of your flag seems it blowing a bit. Looks Ok to me.

It had died some when I took the pic.



Where are you sailing?

Chesapeake Bay, known as the Finest Cruising Grounds in the World. That's
Rock Hall , where we spent the prev. night, behind us



Did you leave Plowsville?

Got to sometimes. The one thing that's missing in Plowville is sailing
water.



When were the pictures taken?

6/6/04, between noon and noon thirty.


Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

Sail pic
 

Horvath claimed;
I would have taken out the reef long ago.


If we were all the same or did things the exact same way, the world would be
a very boring place.
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Kirie Elite 32
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Sail pic
 

it never ceases to amaze me how New Yorkers are so like Iowans

My God...there are actually PEOPLE in Iowa?!?!?!?!
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Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Katy, I'm not sure you have a proper appreciation for the great
traditions and history of sailing through the years.

Ah, but I do, we sailed with only a compass, and then only a compass and
radio for years....If any of the hitorical figures you mentioned had
instruments, they might have been better off, known where they were going,
and foreseen problems.
--
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Kirie Elite 32
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Sail pic
 

"katysails" wrote in message
...

it never ceases to amaze me how New Yorkers are so like Iowans

My God...there are actually PEOPLE in Iowa?!?!?!?!

Yes, nice, friendly people.

Sail pic
 

No you wouldn't have.


Horvath claimed;
I would have taken out the reef long ago.

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jon asked:
-- Why don't you get two wheels and some electric winches.

Because he;s a Luddite with a motorboat that sails....
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

I don't think I can buy your argument, Katy. A wind instrument gives
essentially no information that an experienced observer can't deduce by eye. On
a trailerable boat, an anemometer is a pain to deal with.



"katysails" wrote in message
...

Katy, I'm not sure you have a proper appreciation for the great
traditions and history of sailing through the years.

Ah, but I do, we sailed with only a compass, and then only a compass and
radio for years....If any of the hitorical figures you mentioned had
instruments, they might have been better off, known where they were going,
and foreseen problems.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Sail pic
 

On 15 Jun 2004 13:08:54 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote
this crap:

"Horvath" wrote in message
.. .
On 15 Jun 2004 04:22:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote
this crap:

Cause I'm lazy? It WAS blowing hard all morning, it had just calmed down
some, so I had Lisa steer while I went to unshake the reef, grabbed the
camera and went forward to take the pic.

Bad answer.

Why?
Are you taking away my points?


The water is flat. The wind had died long ago. You were sailing in
dead air for a long time with a reefed main.


I would have taken out the reef long ago.


Why? We were CRUISING, not racing. Also we were running w/the wind all
morning so the main wasn't 'doing much'.

You have no concept of how the rig works.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Sail pic
 

The water is flat. The wind had died long ago. You were sailing in
dead air for a long time with a reefed main.


You mean when the wind falls of, sea state stays the same for a long while???
Never saw that! Wind dies, sea follows quite quickly.

RB

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote


several sources of weather reports,


name them.

SV


NOA broadcasts, commercial radio weather reports, computer weather
reports (check in the morning before leaving), TV weather broadcasts and
continuous radar scan display.

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You are an idiot. Why don't you get two wheels and some electric winches.

Sorry to offend you Jonathan. Perhaps you shouldn't spend any more time
following my notes and responding to them, if reading them is going to
introduce all that stress. - Actually, it's rather easy to just skip
right on by them and move on to some of the other discussion strings.

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

katysails wrote:

Katy, I'm not sure you have a proper appreciation for the great
traditions and history of sailing through the years.

Ah, but I do, we sailed with only a compass, and then only a compass and
radio for years....If any of the hitorical figures you mentioned had
instruments, they might have been better off, known where they were going,
and foreseen problems.


Well, apart from monitoring the weather reports, we also sailed with
only a compass and some charts for many years. I was doing fairly well
with dead reckoning on several trips.

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

DSK wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:

Interesting. - Doug said that the wind speed might have been as much
as 10-12 knots. Why do you criticize my estimate of the wind speed but
not his, when he wasn't even there?


Because whitecaps usually begin forming around 8 knots and are regular
at 10. If a doofus like you notices them then it might be blowing as
much as twelve, but it still could only have been eight.

If motorboat wakes are bigger than the chop, then the wind wasn't
anywhere near 20.

DSK


You might want to read my note again DSK. I didn't say that the
whitecaps were "beginning" to form. They were there when we went out and
stayed there throughout the afternoon. (Incidentally, my copy of the
Beaufort scale indicates that crests are "beginning to break" in winds
of up to 10 knots. - You must have a different version.) Also, I didn't
say that the motorboat wakes were "bigger" than the chop, did I?
Incidentally, my estimate of the wind speed was also based on the
opinion of an experienced licensed pilot who was with me on that
particular trip.

As one reference point, we noted that very few of the boats out on that
day had deployed anything other than a reefed mainsail.

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

So, what the meta message that you're trying to get across is that you
are not much of a sailor, with a lousy boat. Got it. Thanks.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You are an idiot. Why don't you get two wheels and some electric
winches.

Sorry to offend you Jonathan. Perhaps you shouldn't spend any more time
following my notes and responding to them, if reading them is going to
introduce all that stress. - Actually, it's rather easy to just skip
right on by them and move on to some of the other discussion strings.

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Wow. What a pro.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


katysails wrote:

Katy, I'm not sure you have a proper appreciation for the great
traditions and history of sailing through the years.

Ah, but I do, we sailed with only a compass, and then only a compass and
radio for years....If any of the hitorical figures you mentioned had
instruments, they might have been better off, known where they were
going,
and foreseen problems.


Well, apart from monitoring the weather reports, we also sailed with
only a compass and some charts for many years. I was doing fairly well
with dead reckoning on several trips.

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

You forgot the most important one.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote


several sources of weather reports,


name them.

SV


NOA broadcasts, commercial radio weather reports, computer weather
reports (check in the morning before leaving), TV weather broadcasts and
continuous radar scan display.

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

I don't think I can buy your argument, Katy

Jeff, it's not my argument..it's Jim's...I agree with you...
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Sail pic
 

"Horvath" wrote


The water is flat.

no it's not,

The wind had died long ago.

15 minutes is long ago?

You were sailing in
dead air for a long time with a reefed main.

look at the pic, again. look at the flag. & boat heel.

Sail pic
 

You were sailing in
dead air for a long time with a reefed main.

look at the pic, again. look at the flag. & boat heel.


Much as I loath to admit it....Horvath is wrong. Looks like a flukey day and I
don't doubt higher winds occured and returned. If you weren't there, a pic only
tells so much...and Horvath knows so little.

RB

Sail pic
 

"Bobsprit" wrote


Much as I loath to admit it...Scotty is right.

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jim Cate wrote:
You might want to read my note again DSK. I didn't say that the
whitecaps were "beginning" to form. They were there when we went out and
stayed there throughout the afternoon. (Incidentally, my copy of the
Beaufort scale indicates that crests are "beginning to break" in winds
of up to 10 knots. - You must have a different version.)

"up to 10 knots" matches pretty well with 8 - 10 does it not?
"crests beginning to break" matches pretty well with whitecaps, nyet?

Jim, you're so dumb you can only be another Bobsprit sock puppet.

... Also, I didn't
say that the motorboat wakes were "bigger" than the chop, did I?

Actually, you did, indirectly.

Incidentally, my estimate of the wind speed was also based on the
opinion of an experienced licensed pilot who was with me on that
particular trip.

WTF do pilots know about judging wind speed? They are inside, behind a
winshield. Does your Mac26XM have an enclosed cockpit?



As one reference point, we noted that very few of the boats out on that
day had deployed anything other than a reefed mainsail.

Well youse guys sure are rough tough salty sailor dudes, arrgh.

DSK

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"DSK" wrote

WTF do pilots know about judging wind speed? They are inside, behind a
winshield. Does your Mac26XM have an enclosed cockpit?

don't they stick their head out the window to check air speed?

SV

Sail pic
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
yes , I do. Immensly. So does Lisa.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/447701.JPG

critique away.........



Nice looking day for a sail,

it was. good strong wind all day.

nice clean decks. You should flake or
coil your lines.

I know, but I'm lazy.

Its a matter of safety, unlazy yourself.


Sail looks to be set just fine for the conditions.

It was.

Thats what I said

By
the looks of your flag seems it blowing a bit. Looks Ok to me.

It had died some when I took the pic.


Explains the puffy blue jacket in June


Where are you sailing?

Chesapeake Bay, known as the Finest Cruising Grounds in the World. That's
Rock Hall , where we spent the prev. night, behind us



Bull****, Ive sail the Chesapeake bay, Its like here known for muddy
water, crab traps, ect.. If you want to sail an exciting bay head to
were the gayboy sails his gay cal 20. Thats a fine clear water current
ridden fog laiden, high wind, fluky wave ridden hot spot of activity.
To bad the only person here to sail the area has such a gay little
boat. I think the real men that sail that bay just pass thru.



Did you leave Plowsville?

Got to sometimes. The one thing that's missing in Plowville is sailing
water.

Yeah right



When were the pictures taken?

6/6/04, between noon and noon thirty.


Ah, cold water to...

Joe
MSV RedCloud
ElLago TX USA


Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

Sail pic
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
yes , I do. Immensly. So does Lisa.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/447701.JPG

critique away.........



Nice looking day for a sail,

it was. good strong wind all day.

nice clean decks. You should flake or
coil your lines.

I know, but I'm lazy.

Its a matter of safety, unlazy yourself.


Sail looks to be set just fine for the conditions.

It was.

Thats what I said

By
the looks of your flag seems it blowing a bit. Looks Ok to me.

It had died some when I took the pic.


Explains the puffy blue jacket in June


Where are you sailing?

Chesapeake Bay, known as the Finest Cruising Grounds in the World. That's
Rock Hall , where we spent the prev. night, behind us



Bull****, Ive sail the Chesapeake bay, Its like here known for muddy
water, crab traps, ect.. If you want to sail an exciting bay head to
were the gayboy sails his gay cal 20. Thats a fine clear water current
ridden fog laiden, high wind, fluky wave ridden hot spot of activity.
To bad the only person here to sail the area has such a gay little
boat. I think the real men that sail that bay just pass thru.



Did you leave Plowsville?

Got to sometimes. The one thing that's missing in Plowville is sailing
water.

Yeah right



When were the pictures taken?

6/6/04, between noon and noon thirty.


Ah, cold water to...

Joe
MSV RedCloud
ElLago TX USA


Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

Sail pic
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
yes , I do. Immensly. So does Lisa.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/447701.JPG

critique away.........



Nice looking day for a sail,

it was. good strong wind all day.

nice clean decks. You should flake or
coil your lines.

I know, but I'm lazy.

Its a matter of safety, unlazy yourself.


Sail looks to be set just fine for the conditions.

It was.

Thats what I said

By
the looks of your flag seems it blowing a bit. Looks Ok to me.

It had died some when I took the pic.


Explains the puffy blue jacket in June


Where are you sailing?

Chesapeake Bay, known as the Finest Cruising Grounds in the World. That's
Rock Hall , where we spent the prev. night, behind us



Bull****, Ive sail the Chesapeake bay, Its like here known for muddy
water, crab traps, ect.. If you want to sail an exciting bay head to
were the gayboy sails his gay cal 20. Thats a fine clear water current
ridden fog laiden, high wind, fluky wave ridden hot spot of activity.
To bad the only person here to sail the area has such a gay little
boat. I think the real men that sail that bay just pass thru.



Did you leave Plowsville?

Got to sometimes. The one thing that's missing in Plowville is sailing
water.

Yeah right



When were the pictures taken?

6/6/04, between noon and noon thirty.


Ah, cold water to...

Joe
MSV RedCloud
ElLago TX USA


Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You forgot the most important one.

My eyes.

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

So, what the meta message that you're trying to get across is that you
are not much of a sailor, with a lousy boat. Got it. Thanks.


Still can't seem to shut me up, can you John? - It's obviously getting
to you. Of course, if you really believed that my notes were totally
vacuous and pointless, you wouldn't waste your time reading and
responding to them. You say one thing, but your actions say another.

You may have sailed the Atlantic, but your stupidity still shows.

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

That's better. But, you still forgot one more. Perhaps second only to
your eyes.... falling back into the teacher mentality....

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You forgot the most important one.

My eyes.

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Why would I want to shut you up? Stupidity is fun to watch.

Why do you think I've sailed the Atlantic?

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

So, what the meta message that you're trying to get across is that you
are not much of a sailor, with a lousy boat. Got it. Thanks.


Still can't seem to shut me up, can you John? - It's obviously getting
to you. Of course, if you really believed that my notes were totally
vacuous and pointless, you wouldn't waste your time reading and
responding to them. You say one thing, but your actions say another.

You may have sailed the Atlantic, but your stupidity still shows.

Jim

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

DSK wrote:



As one reference point, we noted that very few of the boats out on
that day had deployed anything other than a reefed mainsail.


Well youse guys sure are rough tough salty sailor dudes, arrgh.

Most likely because the waters they sail in are so shallow that they can only be sailed
by centre board boats with the board up!

Cheers
Marty

DSK

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Martin Baxter wrote:

DSK wrote:



As one reference point, we noted that very few of the boats out on
that day had deployed anything other than a reefed mainsail.


Well youse guys sure are rough tough salty sailor dudes, arrgh.

Most likely because the waters they sail in are so shallow that they can only be sailed
by centre board boats with the board up!


You picking a fight with the shallow water sailors Marty? Huh?
Huh?

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-------------------------
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Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Flying Tadpole wrote:





You picking a fight with the shallow water sailors Marty? Huh?
Huh?

Only those who do it with pointy boats!

Cheers
Marty

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Martin Baxter wrote:

Flying Tadpole wrote:





You picking a fight with the shallow water sailors Marty? Huh?
Huh?

Only those who do it with pointy boats!


You're forgiven.

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-------------------------
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past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"DSK" wrote
WTF do pilots know about judging wind speed? They are inside, behind a
winshield. Does your Mac26XM have an enclosed cockpit?


Scott Vernon wrote:
don't they stick their head out the window to check air speed?

Only the ones that graduated from the JAXAshby School of Flying.

DSK

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Martin Baxter wrote:
Most likely because the waters they sail in are so shallow that they can
only be sailed
by centre board boats with the board up!

Nothing wrong with that, unless you end up trying to maximize VMG by
getting out and wading, pushing the boat ahead of you...

DSK

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

That's better. But, you still forgot one more. Perhaps second only to
your eyes.... falling back into the teacher mentality....


And what is that?

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Why would I want to shut you up? Stupidity is fun to watch.

Why do you think I've sailed the Atlantic?

Do you deny it?