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Joe June 18th 04 02:56 AM

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DSK wrote in message news:yT%zc.5873$IF3.5275@

WTF do pilots know about judging wind speed? They are inside, behind a
winshield. Does your Mac26XM have an enclosed cockpit?


Perhaps it was a Houston Ship channel pilot he was talking
about...................................nah..never catch one dead on a
Mac 26.

Joe




Well youse guys sure are rough tough salty sailor dudes, arrgh.

DSK


katysails June 18th 04 03:09 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
Only those who do it with pointy boats!


You're forgiven.

He forgot to mention your pointy head, though...

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Flying Tadpole June 18th 04 03:19 AM

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katysails wrote:

Only those who do it with pointy boats!


You're forgiven.

He forgot to mention your pointy head, though...


No, that's Peter Wiley and the rest of the Tasmanians.

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Lady Pilot June 18th 04 03:22 AM

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"DSK" wrote:

WTF do pilots know about judging wind speed?


You are kidding, right?

LP



katysails June 18th 04 03:56 AM

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No, that's Peter Wiley and the rest of the Tasmanians

Peter's got a pointy head???? I would think it would have flattened out
when he fell off the roof onto it last month....

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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Flying Tadpole June 18th 04 04:00 AM

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katysails wrote:

No, that's Peter Wiley and the rest of the Tasmanians

Peter's got a pointy head???? I would think it would have flattened out
when he fell off the roof onto it last month....


A cruel Oz joke relating to the small population and the
inbreeding of the Isle of Tasmania. One has to assume that
Peter, having fled Sydney for Tasmania, ahs embraced all the
special features of the locality...
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Jonathan Ganz June 18th 04 05:33 AM

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You don't know?? Think about it and get back to me.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

That's better. But, you still forgot one more. Perhaps second only to
your eyes.... falling back into the teacher mentality....


And what is that?




Jonathan Ganz June 18th 04 05:34 AM

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Why would I deny it?

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Why would I want to shut you up? Stupidity is fun to watch.

Why do you think I've sailed the Atlantic?


Do you deny it?





Martin Baxter June 18th 04 11:43 AM

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Lady Pilot wrote:
"DSK" wrote:


WTF do pilots know about judging wind speed?



You are kidding, right?

LP



Well if you limit the set to those pilots that have never learned cross wind landings......

Cheers
Marty


Flying Tadpole June 18th 04 01:07 PM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 


OzOne wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:30:14 +0930, Flying Tadpole
scribbled thusly:



katysails wrote:

No, that's Peter Wiley and the rest of the Tasmanians

Peter's got a pointy head???? I would think it would have flattened out
when he fell off the roof onto it last month....


A cruel Oz joke relating to the small population and the
inbreeding of the Isle of Tasmania. One has to assume that
Peter, having fled Sydney for Tasmania, ahs embraced all the
special features of the locality...


He went there to improve the gene pool.

Oz1...of the 3 twins.


Doomed to failure then.

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Scott Vernon June 18th 04 03:06 PM

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:30:14 +0930, Flying Tadpole
scribbled thusly:



katysails wrote:

No, that's Peter Wiley and the rest of the Tasmanians

Peter's got a pointy head???? I would think it would have flattened

out
when he fell off the roof onto it last month....


A cruel Oz joke relating to the small population and the
inbreeding of the Isle of Tasmania. One has to assume that
Peter, having fled Sydney for Tasmania, ahs embraced all the
special features of the locality...


He went there to improve the gene pool.



of Oz?


Flying Tadpole June 18th 04 03:15 PM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 


Scott Vernon wrote:

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:30:14 +0930, Flying Tadpole
scribbled thusly:



katysails wrote:

No, that's Peter Wiley and the rest of the Tasmanians

Peter's got a pointy head???? I would think it would have flattened

out
when he fell off the roof onto it last month....


A cruel Oz joke relating to the small population and the
inbreeding of the Isle of Tasmania. One has to assume that
Peter, having fled Sydney for Tasmania, ahs embraced all the
special features of the locality...


He went there to improve the gene pool.


of Oz?


As he's already in Oz, I assume you meant Oz as in crackerbox.
No, that Oz's gene pool desperately needs skimming, scrubbing,
and a violent dose of chlorine.
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katysails June 19th 04 01:06 AM

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Taddy spoke: No, that Oz's gene pool desperately needs skimming, scrubbing,

Oh goodie...can I have the mitochondria?
and a violent dose of chlorine.


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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Peter Wiley June 21st 04 12:01 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
In article , OzOne wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:30:14 +0930, Flying Tadpole
scribbled thusly:



katysails wrote:

No, that's Peter Wiley and the rest of the Tasmanians

Peter's got a pointy head???? I would think it would have flattened out
when he fell off the roof onto it last month....


A cruel Oz joke relating to the small population and the
inbreeding of the Isle of Tasmania. One has to assume that
Peter, having fled Sydney for Tasmania, ahs embraced all the
special features of the locality...


He went there to improve the gene pool.


Bwahahahaahahahaha. Exactly what I was going to say!

South Australians. Live at the end of Oz's cloaca. One must make
allowances.

PDW

Flying Tadpole June 21st 04 03:27 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 


Peter Wiley wrote:

In article , OzOne wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:30:14 +0930, Flying Tadpole
scribbled thusly:



katysails wrote:

No, that's Peter Wiley and the rest of the Tasmanians

Peter's got a pointy head???? I would think it would have flattened out
when he fell off the roof onto it last month....


A cruel Oz joke relating to the small population and the
inbreeding of the Isle of Tasmania. One has to assume that
Peter, having fled Sydney for Tasmania, ahs embraced all the
special features of the locality...


He went there to improve the gene pool.


Bwahahahaahahahaha. Exactly what I was going to say!


OK. Being a kind and reasonable person, I'm forced to admit that
you're right, and I was being unnecessarily cruel in my comments,
and that your move to Tasmania _has_ improved the local gene pool
significantly, as well as improving Sydney's. Isn't it wonderful
that there are still a few places where even a low achiever can
make a significant mark?


South Australians. Live at the end of Oz's cloaca. One must make
allowances.


All grist to the bottom dweller's mill!
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katysails June 21st 04 03:49 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
Peter claomed: South Australians. Live at the end of Oz's cloaca.

Ewww..now that's worse than anything Haggie or I came up with....

--
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Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Peter Wiley June 21st 04 04:04 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
In article , Flying Tadpole
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote:

In article , OzOne wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:30:14 +0930, Flying Tadpole
scribbled thusly:



katysails wrote:

No, that's Peter Wiley and the rest of the Tasmanians

Peter's got a pointy head???? I would think it would have flattened
out
when he fell off the roof onto it last month....


A cruel Oz joke relating to the small population and the
inbreeding of the Isle of Tasmania. One has to assume that
Peter, having fled Sydney for Tasmania, ahs embraced all the
special features of the locality...

He went there to improve the gene pool.


Bwahahahaahahahaha. Exactly what I was going to say!


OK. Being a kind and reasonable person, I'm forced to admit that
you're right, and I was being unnecessarily cruel in my comments,
and that your move to Tasmania _has_ improved the local gene pool
significantly, as well as improving Sydney's.


Yep. I have 3 bright kids still living in Sydney so you're 100%
correct, I've improved both gene pools!

Not quite the way you meant, of course, and you could have had the
decency to acknowledge a paraphrase of Piggy Muldoon.

Isn't it wonderful
that there are still a few places where even a low achiever can
make a significant mark?


Absolutely! If I can't make it here, I'll just have to move to SA where
the standards are even lower. After that, I'm afraid the next (last)
stop would be NZ. Oz is planning on skipping the intermediate rungs...

BTW purebred Tasmanians don't have pointy heads, they have 2 heads. My
boss is a prime example. In his case, 2 heads aren't better than one
tho, or a) he never would have employed me and b) he never would have
given up his last job (which I now have).

South Australians. Live at the end of Oz's cloaca. One must make
allowances.


All grist to the bottom dweller's mill!


Plenty of grist flows down the Murray/Darling system. It only needs to
be a little thicker and you could farm it.

PDW

Flying Tadpole June 21st 04 06:36 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 


Peter Wiley wrote:

In article , Flying Tadpole
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote:

In article , OzOne wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:30:14 +0930, Flying Tadpole
scribbled thusly:



katysails wrote:

No, that's Peter Wiley and the rest of the Tasmanians

Peter's got a pointy head???? I would think it would have flattened
out
when he fell off the roof onto it last month....


A cruel Oz joke relating to the small population and the
inbreeding of the Isle of Tasmania. One has to assume that
Peter, having fled Sydney for Tasmania, ahs embraced all the
special features of the locality...

He went there to improve the gene pool.

Bwahahahaahahahaha. Exactly what I was going to say!


OK. Being a kind and reasonable person, I'm forced to admit that
you're right, and I was being unnecessarily cruel in my comments,
and that your move to Tasmania _has_ improved the local gene pool
significantly, as well as improving Sydney's.


Yep. I have 3 bright kids still living in Sydney so you're 100%
correct, I've improved both gene pools!

Not quite the way you meant, of course, and you could have had the
decency to acknowledge a paraphrase of Piggy Muldoon.


Sh*t...defeated twice in one day. Perhaps I'd better turn in my
keyboard, must be getting too slow in my dotage...

Isn't it wonderful
that there are still a few places where even a low achiever can
make a significant mark?


Absolutely! If I can't make it here, I'll just have to move to SA where
the standards are even lower. After that, I'm afraid the next (last)
stop would be NZ. Oz is planning on skipping the intermediate rungs...


NZ? Waste of time and effort. MC tried it and look where that got
him.


BTW purebred Tasmanians don't have pointy heads, they have 2 heads. My
boss is a prime example. In his case, 2 heads aren't better than one
tho, or a) he never would have employed me and b) he never would have
given up his last job (which I now have).

South Australians. Live at the end of Oz's cloaca. One must make
allowances.


All grist to the bottom dweller's mill!


Plenty of grist flows down the Murray/Darling system. It only needs to
be a little thicker and you could farm it.


Wrong way round. They farm it at Murray Bridge with cows to
thicken it further.

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Flying Tadpole June 21st 04 06:38 AM

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katysails wrote:

Peter claomed: South Australians. Live at the end of Oz's cloaca.

Ewww..now that's worse than anything Haggie or I came up with....


Well...that's a Sydney exile for you...

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Flying Tadpole June 21st 04 09:25 AM

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Peter Wiley wrote:

In article , Flying Tadpole
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote:

In article , OzOne wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:30:14 +0930, Flying Tadpole
scribbled thusly:


OK. Being a kind and reasonable person, I'm forced to admit that
you're right, and I was being unnecessarily cruel in my comments,
and that your move to Tasmania _has_ improved the local gene pool
significantly, as well as improving Sydney's.


Yep. I have 3 bright kids still living in Sydney so you're 100%
correct, I've improved both gene pools!

Not quite the way you meant, of course, and you could have had the
decency to acknowledge a paraphrase of Piggy Muldoon.


Was unaware of it. Normally when I am aware of such, I take care
to quote ("xxx"). In this case, I suspect parallel evolution in
language: an obvious derivation which is made in multiple cases,
not necessarily connected.

Ah well. I'll have my revenge on Sydney, Sydneysiders and Sydney
exiles soon (soon, soon!) (I hope...)

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DSK June 21st 04 11:35 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
WTF do pilots know about judging wind speed?


You are kidding, right?


Martin Baxter wrote:
Well if you limit the set to those pilots that have never learned cross
wind landings......


Unless they are landing in a place with no ground control, they don't
have to judge the wind at all. They don't even have to ask; somebody
else who knows makes it a point to tell them exactly what the wind is...
several times over, in fact.

DSK


Peter Wiley June 21st 04 12:07 PM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
In article , Flying Tadpole
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote:

In article , Flying Tadpole
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote:

In article , OzOne wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:30:14 +0930, Flying Tadpole
scribbled thusly:


OK. Being a kind and reasonable person, I'm forced to admit that
you're right, and I was being unnecessarily cruel in my comments,
and that your move to Tasmania _has_ improved the local gene pool
significantly, as well as improving Sydney's.


Yep. I have 3 bright kids still living in Sydney so you're 100%
correct, I've improved both gene pools!

Not quite the way you meant, of course, and you could have had the
decency to acknowledge a paraphrase of Piggy Muldoon.


Was unaware of it. Normally when I am aware of such, I take care
to quote ("xxx"). In this case, I suspect parallel evolution in
language: an obvious derivation which is made in multiple cases,
not necessarily connected.


IIRC Piggy once said, of Kiwis heading to Oz, that this migration would
raise the IQ of both countries.

Ah well. I'll have my revenge on Sydney, Sydneysiders and Sydney
exiles soon (soon, soon!) (I hope...)


No need. Living in Sydney is the revenge.

Martin Baxter June 22nd 04 11:45 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
DSK wrote:
WTF do pilots know about judging wind speed?



You are kidding, right?



Martin Baxter wrote:

Well if you limit the set to those pilots that have never learned
cross wind landings......



Unless they are landing in a place with no ground control, they don't
have to judge the wind at all. They don't even have to ask; somebody
else who knows makes it a point to tell them exactly what the wind is...
several times over, in fact.

DSK


I can't speak for any flight schools except for our local school; here pilots are taught to
look at various things on the ground to judge wind speed. As you point out though, there are several
small fields in our area that are uncontrolled, so perhaps this is not universal.

Cheers
marty


Scott Vernon June 22nd 04 12:02 PM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
Every small field I've seen round here has a big oarnge wind sock. Even the
guys with ultra lites in their barn.

How's the new boat?

Scotty


"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote:
WTF do pilots know about judging wind speed?



You are kidding, right?



Martin Baxter wrote:

Well if you limit the set to those pilots that have never learned
cross wind landings......



Unless they are landing in a place with no ground control, they don't
have to judge the wind at all. They don't even have to ask; somebody
else who knows makes it a point to tell them exactly what the wind is...
several times over, in fact.

DSK


I can't speak for any flight schools except for our local school; here

pilots are taught to
look at various things on the ground to judge wind speed. As you point out

though, there are several
small fields in our area that are uncontrolled, so perhaps this is not

universal.

Cheers
marty



Martin Baxter June 22nd 04 05:54 PM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
Scott Vernon wrote:

Every small field I've seen round here has a big oarnge wind sock. Even the
guys with ultra lites in their barn.


Wind socks now give windspeed?

How's the new boat?


New boat is great, anchored in front of the house (danforth and bruce).

Cheers
Marty




Scott Vernon June 22nd 04 11:54 PM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:

Every small field I've seen round here has a big oarnge wind sock. Even

the
guys with ultra lites in their barn.


Wind socks now give windspeed?


yes, you've never seen one?



How's the new boat?


New boat is great, anchored in front of the house (danforth and bruce).


Glad you like it. it must be awful to be unhappy with ones current boat.

What, no mooring?

Scotty


Flying Tadpole June 23rd 04 12:34 AM

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Martin Baxter wrote:

Scott Vernon wrote:

Every small field I've seen round here has a big oarnge wind sock. Even the
guys with ultra lites in their barn.


Wind socks now give windspeed?


Marty, they always did. That's the reason for their strange but
very standard shape. Flags weren't consistent enough.

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Scott Vernon June 23rd 04 12:38 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Martin Baxter wrote:

Scott Vernon wrote:

Every small field I've seen round here has a big oarnge wind sock.

Even the
guys with ultra lites in their barn.


Wind socks now give windspeed?


Marty, they always did. That's the reason for their strange but
very standard shape. Flags weren't consistent enough.


Same way a woman can tell if you're interested.
;)



Flying Tadpole June 23rd 04 12:40 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 


Scott Vernon wrote:

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Martin Baxter wrote:

Scott Vernon wrote:

Every small field I've seen round here has a big oarnge wind sock.

Even the
guys with ultra lites in their barn.

Wind socks now give windspeed?


Marty, they always did. That's the reason for their strange but
very standard shape. Flags weren't consistent enough.


Same way a woman can tell if you're interested.
;)


You have a strange but very standard shape?
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Scott Vernon June 23rd 04 12:52 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Martin Baxter wrote:

Scott Vernon wrote:

Every small field I've seen round here has a big oarnge wind sock.

Even the
guys with ultra lites in their barn.

Wind socks now give windspeed?

Marty, they always did. That's the reason for their strange but
very standard shape. Flags weren't consistent enough.


Same way a woman can tell if you're interested.
;)


You have a strange but very standard shape?



sometimes




Horvath June 23rd 04 01:19 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:54:14 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote this crap:

Scott Vernon wrote:

Every small field I've seen round here has a big oarnge wind sock. Even the
guys with ultra lites in their barn.


Wind socks now give windspeed?


They always have before.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Scott Vernon June 23rd 04 01:24 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
Horvath; always a day late and a dollar short.


"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:54:14 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote this crap:

Scott Vernon wrote:

Every small field I've seen round here has a big oarnge wind sock. Even

the
guys with ultra lites in their barn.


Wind socks now give windspeed?


They always have before.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!



Martin Baxter June 24th 04 01:49 PM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
OzOne wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:54:14 -0400, Martin Baxter
scribbled thusly:


Scott Vernon wrote:


Every small field I've seen round here has a big oarnge wind sock. Even the
guys with ultra lites in their barn.


Wind socks now give windspeed?



Yep, to an educated eye.


My point was that pilots are indeed taught to judge windspeed, windsock shape reveals some, are pilots in
your neck of the woods not taught anything about emergency landings or landing at strips where the sock is
in tatters, (there is such a field less than a mile from my house).

Cheers
Marty


Martin Baxter June 25th 04 11:32 AM

Jim Cate a NO Show
 
OzOne wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:49:34 -0400, Martin Baxter
scribbled thusly:

My point was that pilots are indeed taught to judge windspeed, windsock shape reveals some, are pilots in
your neck of the woods not taught anything about emergency landings or landing at strips where the sock is
in tatters, (there is such a field less than a mile from my house).

Cheers
Marty



Yep, pilots will look at trees, smoke, waves on water, anything that
will give them an indication od winspeed and direction.
Practice for forced landing in fields etc requires that they are
familiar with all possible sources of information.


Thank you Oz, which goes to answer the question "WTF do pilots know about judging wind speed?" ;-o

[note to foley artist; insert sounds of pulling teeth]

Cheers
Marty





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