(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
What other options are there? WE either evolved, or we were created!

Donal, there is total proof of evolution simply by the fact that genetic skin
pigment exists according to climate. Biological Adaptation is evolution.

RB


Bobnospirt,

There had to be creation before evolution.
Simple logic.
Or there would be nothing to evolve.

Joe

There had to be creation before evolution.
Simple logic.

Josie, Simple logic also dictates that someone/thing had to create god. If you
say he was "always here" then I simply reply, so was the universe.
Logic isn't for you, Josephine!

RB

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
There had to be creation before evolution.
Simple logic.

Josie, Simple logic also dictates that someone/thing had to create god. If you
say he was "always here" then I simply reply, so was the universe.
Logic isn't for you, Josephine!

RB


Boobsie,

The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a
beginning.

Correct?

It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a
cause.

Correct?

The universe therefore requires a cause.

Correct?

Einstein's theory of general relativity shows that time is linked to
matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter
and space. Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole
universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by
the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time. Therefore
He doesn't have a cause.

God, as creator of time, is outside of time. Since therefore he has no
beginning in time, He has always existed, so doesn't need a cause.

It is self-evident that things that begin have a cause. All science
and history would collapse if this law of cause and effect were
denied. The universe cannot be self-caused — nothing can create
itself, because that would mean that it existed before it came into
existence, which is a logical absurdity.

Simple Logic Boobsie

And why arent you out in the harbor with a boat load of skimply
dressed alien girls welcoming the fleet?

Joe

Boobsie,

The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a
beginning.

Nope. Got a video of it?


RB

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
Boobsie,

The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a
beginning.

Nope. Got a video of it?


RB

1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
2nd Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or
entropy is increasing to a maximum.


If the total amount of mass-energy is limited, and the amount of
usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed
forever, otherwise it would already have exhausted all usable energy —
the ‘heat death' of the universe. For example, all radioactive atoms
would have decayed, every part of the universe would be the same
temperature, and no further work would be possible. So the obvious
corollary is that the universe began a finite time ago with a lot of
usable energy, and is now running down.

Simple Logic Boobsie, But your not much for logic are you?

Joe

The amount of energy available for work is running out, or
entropy is increasing to a maximum.

To a maximum of WHAT, Josie? You simply can't comprehend that you have no
answer. No one does...least of all religious folk.
Go pray to a Volcano. At least it's real.

RB

1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.

That's not a law, dopey. Since the universe has no known limits and white &
black holes are feed points, there's every reason to suspect that energy is NOT
constant.
You're operating on 1980 Omni magazine articles for your lame guesses.
Give it up, Josie.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| 1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
|
| That's not a law, dopey. Since the universe has no known limits and white
&
| black holes are feed points, there's every reason to suspect that energy
is NOT
| constant.

I don't think Joe claimed energy was constant... it's not.... only the
total amount that can be held as a constant... if we ever figure out what
that is. Energy is variable only in it's expenditure. The balance remains
constant in it's availability..... much like my bank account! ;-)

CM

It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a
cause.

No, not unreasonable...just very difficult.

RB

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a
cause.

No, not unreasonable...just very difficult.

RB

Tell me of anything that begin to exist without a cause boobsie.

And do not be unreasonable.

Joe