Donal wrote:

Wally, take a minute to study your own thumb.

Ask yourself "How many genetic mutations were needed to make a working
thumb?".

How many generations did this small development take?

How old is the planet?

How am I supposed to get from a rock, a plant, the genetic history of my
thumb, or a planet that's been around for a while..., to god?


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Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

"Wally" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:

Wally, take a minute to study your own thumb.

Ask yourself "How many genetic mutations were needed to make a working
thumb?".

How many generations did this small development take?

How old is the planet?

How am I supposed to get from a rock, a plant, the genetic history of my
thumb, or a planet that's been around for a while..., to god?

If you would ask yourself the questions that I posed, then "God" becomes an
inescapable conclusion.

The current theory ... that we "evolved", is simply not possible in the
timeframes that are available. Scientists have argued that intense periods
of radiation have resulted in periods of "accelerated" mutation. However,
we have now had the opportunity to see the results of increased radiation
..... and it certainly does not result in rapid advancement of our species.

Your thumb could not have "evolved" in the history of the planet.

I've considered all the available options. Only one makes sense.


Regards


Donal
--

Some UFO buffs think that intergalactic aliens brought humans to earth,
and nurtured them while they were developing from primitave savages to
an "enlightened " human society. I think enlightnement may have run
out with the death of Socrates, however. Now the intergalactic aliens
are checking us out to see if their experiment went awry.


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"Wally" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:

Wally, take a minute to study your own thumb.

Ask yourself "How many genetic mutations were needed to make a
working
thumb?".

How many generations did this small development take?

How old is the planet?

How am I supposed to get from a rock, a plant, the genetic history
of my
thumb, or a planet that's been around for a while..., to god?

If you would ask yourself the questions that I posed, then "God"
becomes an
inescapable conclusion.

The current theory ... that we "evolved", is simply not possible in
the
timeframes that are available. Scientists have argued that intense
periods
of radiation have resulted in periods of "accelerated" mutation.
However,
we have now had the opportunity to see the results of increased
radiation
.... and it certainly does not result in rapid advancement of our
species.

Your thumb could not have "evolved" in the history of the planet.

I've considered all the available options. Only one makes sense.


Regards


Donal
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Are you actually claiming that God must exist because evolution isn't possible.
That's pretty lame.

And while you might have made an interesting claim that humans couldn't evolve
in the rather narrow time period they seem to have, you're claiming that the
full age of the Earth is not sufficient. Its pretty clear that there's been
plenty of time. Mammals have had roughly 100,000,000 generations to evolve.
That's a real long time - we've only had a 100 generations since Biblical times.
And mammals have only been around for the last few percent of the timeline.

I find it odd that some people try to use "science" to prove the existence of
God. Belief in God should be an absolute act of faith. Arguing for the
existence of God on scientific or logical grounds is accepting the possibility
that someone could simply provide a stronger argument the God doesn't exist. If
you want to believe, fine - but don't try to prove that your faith is justified.




"Donal" wrote in message
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"Wally" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:

Wally, take a minute to study your own thumb.

Ask yourself "How many genetic mutations were needed to make a working
thumb?".

How many generations did this small development take?

How old is the planet?

How am I supposed to get from a rock, a plant, the genetic history of my
thumb, or a planet that's been around for a while..., to god?

If you would ask yourself the questions that I posed, then "God" becomes an
inescapable conclusion.

The current theory ... that we "evolved", is simply not possible in the
timeframes that are available. Scientists have argued that intense periods
of radiation have resulted in periods of "accelerated" mutation. However,
we have now had the opportunity to see the results of increased radiation
.... and it certainly does not result in rapid advancement of our species.

Your thumb could not have "evolved" in the history of the planet.

I've considered all the available options. Only one makes sense.


Regards


Donal
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Jeff Morris wrote:
Are you actually claiming that God must exist because evolution isn't possible.
That's pretty lame.

What other options are there? WE either evolved, or we were created!


And while you might have made an interesting claim that humans couldn't evolve
in the rather narrow time period they seem to have, you're claiming that the
full age of the Earth is not sufficient. Its pretty clear that there's been
plenty of time. Mammals have had roughly 100,000,000 generations to evolve.
That's a real long time - we've only had a 100 generations since Biblical times.
And mammals have only been around for the last few percent of the timeline.

I find it odd that some people try to use "science" to prove the existence of
God.

Why?

Belief in God should be an absolute act of faith.

Incorrect. Many religions demand absolute faith - which is quite
different.


Arguing for the
existence of God on scientific or logical grounds is accepting the possibility
that someone could simply provide a stronger argument the God doesn't exist.

True. However, if you have Faith, then you know that nobody will be
able to provide a stronger argument.

If
you want to believe, fine - but don't try to prove that your faith is justified.

I've been discussing the existence of God, not faith. Why do you think
that I shouldn't argue for the existence of God?


I find it strange that people get so defensive when evidence is put
forward that suggests that God must exist.




Regards


Donal
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What other options are there? WE either evolved, or we were created!

Donal, there is total proof of evolution simply by the fact that genetic skin
pigment exists according to climate. Biological Adaptation is evolution.

RB

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
What other options are there? WE either evolved, or we were created!

Donal, there is total proof of evolution simply by the fact that genetic skin
pigment exists according to climate. Biological Adaptation is evolution.

RB


Bobnospirt,

There had to be creation before evolution.
Simple logic.
Or there would be nothing to evolve.

Joe

There had to be creation before evolution.
Simple logic.

Josie, Simple logic also dictates that someone/thing had to create god. If you
say he was "always here" then I simply reply, so was the universe.
Logic isn't for you, Josephine!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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What other options are there? WE either evolved, or we were created!

Donal, there is total proof of evolution simply by the fact that genetic
skin
pigment exists according to climate. Biological Adaptation is evolution.

Bob,
I don't have a problem with the concept of evolution. In fact, I believe
that we *are* evolving.

Evolution and Creation are not mutually exclusive.

My point is that we could NOT have evolved into our current state in the
time available.



Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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What other options are there? WE either evolved, or we were created!

Donal, there is total proof of evolution simply by the fact that genetic
skin
pigment exists according to climate. Biological Adaptation is evolution.

Bob,
I don't have a problem with the concept of evolution. In fact, I believe
that we *are* evolving.

Evolution and Creation are not mutually exclusive.

My point is that we could NOT have evolved into our current state in the
time available.

Yes we could, and did. I've considered all of the possibilities and concluded
this is the only one that makes sense.